SCOTUS Allows Texas Voter I.D. Law

[BlueHen86]

Y'all say that voter fraud is a problem.

I haven't seen how it is. It's exceedingly rare. It's not in the same stratosphere as "speeding"

If voter fraud isn't a problem, the you shouldn't be objecting to voter I.D.laws. The only logical reason to oppose would be to facilitate voter fraud. I'm sure that isn't your intent, is it, Jellydonut?

The logical reason that people oppose it is that it doesn't seem to become an issue until just before the election, when there isn't enough time. Once the election is over it's not an issue anymore and nobody pushes for it. Both parties try and play the issue to their advantage, otherwise the issue would have been resolved years ago.

[AZGrizFan]

If voter fraud isn't a problem, the you shouldn't be objecting to voter I.D.laws. The only logical reason to oppose would be to facilitate voter fraud. I'm sure that isn't your intent, is it, Jellydonut?

The logical reason that people oppose it is that it doesn't seem to become an issue until just before the election, when there isn't enough time. Once the election is over it's not an issue anymore and nobody pushes for it. Both parties try and play the issue to their advantage, otherwise the issue would have been resolved years ago.

So, in essence it's just like abortion, poverty, gay marriage, 2nd Amendment rights, and war in Afghanistan.

[BlueHen86]

The logical reason that people oppose it is that it doesn't seem to become an issue until just before the election, when there isn't enough time. Once the election is over it's not an issue anymore and nobody pushes for it. Both parties try and play the issue to their advantage, otherwise the issue would have been resolved years ago.

So, in essence it's just like abortion, poverty, gay marriage, 2nd Amendment rights, and war in Afghanistan.

[Col Hogan]

Documented..

That's like saying on a highway if only 1 in 10,000 drivers are ticketed for speeding then only 1 in 10,000 drive over the speed limit...

Y'all say that voter fraud is a problem.

I haven't seen how it is. It's exceedingly rare. It's not in the same stratosphere as "speeding"

Exceedingly rare???

Dback...is that you in the video...

http://www.youngcons.com/you-wont-belie ... allot-box/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course, someone will attack the source...Nevermind the information...

[travelinman67]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -Democrats

Admitted to casting dozens of ballots for Obama.

How the Dems win elections.

[travelinman67]

Audit finds 35,000 voters simultaneously cast ballots in two states during 2012 election...

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenso ... a-n1818137

[Ivytalk]

We should have photo ID in order to vote. Give everyone 1 year to get a photo ID, that gives them plenty of time to get it done.

Do mug shots count?

[houndawg]

This crap is just a diversion from where the real problem is - electronic voting machines.

[Skjellyfetti]

Admitted to casting dozens of ballots for Obama.

How the Dems win elections.

So... Obama won in 2008 and 2012.... because of voter fraud?

Neither election was remotely close.

You're a lunatic.

[Skjellyfetti]

Voter fraud happens more often through absentee voting than in person voter fraud.
(link already posted)

Texas's voter I.D. law doesn't address this at all.

Why?

[BlueHen86]

Voter fraud happens more often through absentee voting than in person voter fraud.
(link already posted)

Texas's voter I.D. law doesn't address this at all.

Why?

I read that a while back as well, but we should have photo ID's to vote.

[travelinman67]

Friggin priceless...Lefty caught stuffing ballot box on video...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10 ... r-stunned/

How Dems win elections...

...CHEAT!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

And he provided his driver's license and complied with Arizona's voter ID laws.

Voter ID won't stop idiots like this.

Typical Conks... wanting to eradicate a non-existing problem though more regulation and unnecessary laws.

[travelinman67]

And he provided his driver's license and complied with Arizona's voter ID laws.

Voter ID won't stop idiots like this.

Typical Conks... wanting to eradicate a non-existing problem though more regulation and unnecessary laws.

Didn't watch video.

He stuffed ballot box with early voter ballots...when challenged by poll worker to identify himself, told the worker to go fuck himself!

Voter I.D. law would have stopped this incident of fraud!

JELLYDONUT FAIL!!!

[travelinman67]

A few hundred more voter fraud prosecutions/cases as documented by the Republican Lawyers Assoc. ...

https://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

...funny how,"Absentee voter fraud" seems to be a common theme.

[CitadelGrad]

Here's another example of an issue that doesn't exist.

Illinois Republican candidate votes for his Dem opponent, kinda.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10 ... -opponent/

[AZGrizFan]

KY Jelly: Know what this guy is doing? Stuffing the ballot box. I know you think voter fraud is like bigfoot, but here's a little video proof...

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/190277- ... ht-camera/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEQpHfnJz-c#t=157[/youtube]

The Maricopa County Republican Party Chairman doesn’t need any more proof that something is wrong with election laws in Arizona – he witnessed it firsthand.

A. J. LaFaro told the Arizona Daily Independent that he was watching poll-workers process early primary ballots in late August when an interaction with an activist left him dumbfounded.

Poll workers took a long lunch when they discovered they were “way ahead” of other early ballot processors. So as they went out to pick up some lunch, LaFaro stayed behind, ADI reports.


LaFaro recounts that between 12:54 p.m. and 1:54 p.m., he heard a loud thud and turned to see what was going on. “A person wearing a Citizens for a Better Arizona (CBA) t-shirt dropped a large box of hundreds of ballots on the table and started stuffing the ballot box as I watched in amazement.”

LaFaro later obtained surveillance video of the encounter, and while there was no audio available, LaFaro provided this description of their interaction to ADI.


Guy: “What’s your problem?”

LaFaro: “I don’t have a problem.”

Guy: “Stop watching me. You’re annoying me.”

LaFaro: “One of your ballots isn’t sealed.”

Guy: “It’s none of your business. What’s your name?”

LaFaro: “I’m the chairman of the Maricopa County Republican Party. What’s yours?”

Guy: “Go f*** yourself. I don’t have to tell you who I am.”

He continued stuffing the ballot box with hundreds of ballots before taking a few pictures of the ballots “that he staged in the slot…of the ballot box.”

LaFaro says the man took one of the ballots with them before he left – he believes it was the unsealed ballot he mentioned – and then returned with it only a minute later. As the man finally left, LaFaro says, he said “go f*** yourself, gringo.”

LaFaro says this problem is ongoing and that election laws should prevent this sort of mass ballot collection.


“I believe it’s inconceivable, unacceptable, and should be illegal for groups to collect hundreds, if not thousands, of voters’ ballots and return them to the election offices or polling locations. And let’s not forget the ‘ballot parties’ that occur where people gather en masse and give their unvoted ballots to operatives or organizations like Citizens for a Better Arizona so that can not only collect them but vote them illegally. America used to be a nation of laws where one person had one vote.” LaFaro concluded. “I’m sad to say not anymore.”

The CBA website states the group started as an “outgrowth of the grassroots movement that led to the historic recall of former President of the Senate Russell Pearce,” a Republican, but that the organization includes Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

[CitadelGrad]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/39 ... -john-fund

Two years ago, when he early voted in Chicago for his reelection, President Obama was happy to show the required photo ID. But people voting early this year will no longer have to show an ID. Voters will also be able to register to vote and cast a ballot on Election Day — what is known as same-day registration. That lax system has led to frequent reports of fraud and abuse in neighboring Wisconsin, richly detailed in a 68-page 2008 Milwaukee Police report.

The Cook County machine has long been known to have the ability to deliver many thousands of questionable votes for their candidates of choice, as a federal grand jury concluded in 1983. The U.S. attorney in Chicago at the time, Daniel Webb, estimated that at least 100,000 fraudulent votes (10 percent of all votes in the city) had been cast in the previous year’s race for governor.

[kalm]

Cleets nailed this as a tempest in a teapot.

I don't care all that much either way. It doesn't seem unreasonable for someone to produce I.D., then again we vote by mail here, so all you really need is a valid street address or PO Box.

The important thing to remember here is that voter fraud is WAY less prevalent than conk mispreceptions of it as witnessed in this here thread.

It’s important to be clear that there is no evidence of vote fraud at these levels. Judge Adelman’s conclusion in the Wisconsin case echoes previous findings that voter fraud is exceptionally rare across the country. The New York Times reported in 2007, for instance, that a five-year investigation by the Bush administration “turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections.” Even after this intensive search, the Rutgers political scientist Lorraine Minnite showed in her book “The Myth of Voter Fraud” that prosecutions for migratory bird law violations were still far more common than election fraud during the 2005 fiscal year.

As my Dartmouth colleague Kyle Dropp pointed out, these findings are noteworthy because previous polls have typically asked about whether voter fraud is a major problem, minor problem or not a problem — wording that blurs the distinction between people’s objections to the practice and their beliefs about its prevalence. (Fox asked how likely “widespread voter fraud” would be before the 2008 election, but even that question left the exact prevalence of the practice undefined.)

At this point, though, we can safely classify widespread voter fraud as a misperception — and one that is far more prevalent than the practice itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upsho ... 0002&abg=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AZGrizFan]

Cleets nailed this as a tempest in a teapot.

I don't care all that much either way. It doesn't seem unreasonable for someone to produce I.D., then again we vote by mail here, so all you really need is a valid street address or PO Box.

The important thing to remember here is that voter fraud is WAY less prevalent than conk mispreceptions of it as witnessed in this here thread.

It’s important to be clear that there is no evidence of vote fraud at these levels. Judge Adelman’s conclusion in the Wisconsin case echoes previous findings that voter fraud is exceptionally rare across the country. The New York Times reported in 2007, for instance, that a five-year investigation by the Bush administration “turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections.” Even after this intensive search, the Rutgers political scientist Lorraine Minnite showed in her book “The Myth of Voter Fraud” that prosecutions for migratory bird law violations were still far more common than election fraud during the 2005 fiscal year.

As my Dartmouth colleague Kyle Dropp pointed out, these findings are noteworthy because previous polls have typically asked about whether voter fraud is a major problem, minor problem or not a problem — wording that blurs the distinction between people’s objections to the practice and their beliefs about its prevalence. (Fox asked how likely “widespread voter fraud” would be before the 2008 election, but even that question left the exact prevalence of the practice undefined.)

At this point, though, we can safely classify widespread voter fraud as a misperception — and one that is far more prevalent than the practice itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upsho ... 0002&abg=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The thing is, it doesn't HAVE to be widespread. Just a few precision tactical strikes in states like Ohio, Florida, etc....

[Skjellyfetti]

The thing is, it doesn't HAVE to be widespread. Just a few precision tactical strikes in states like Ohio, Florida, etc....

Start showing me examples where there were anywhere near 100k fradulent votes cast in Ohio and/or Florida and I'll hope on board y'all's crusade.

(And, Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and won in 2008 and 2012). So... we're not talking a tactical strike in a couple of states in either of those elections. We're talking voting fraud on a MASSIVE scale involving MILLIONS of votes.

Show me something that says it's not a handful of isolated cases.




And, yes. There has been one election in particular where a relatively small handful of cases of voter fraud could have swung the election.

But, I'm pretty sure Republicans and Conks were absolutely NOT on board with counting the votes in that election.

[travelinman67]

Jellydonut, Klam, Densedawg, NYT, WAPO, Salon...

...voter fraud cover up.

[kalm]

Jellydonut, Klam, Densedawg, NYT, WAPO, Salon...

...voter fraud cover up.

OK, Captain TownhallBlazeBart.

(The NYT article cited a study by the Bush administration)

[Chizzang]

When 85% of eligible voters actually vote (which will be never) this might become an issue... (not)
and who cares if a state makes you show ID its the states right to manage that process
and who cares if you mail in your ballot (big deal)

An estimated 57.5 % of eligible voters voted in 2012 - Yipee


Again: Where's my Teapot

[travelinman67]

When 85% of eligible voters actually vote (which will be never) this might become an issue... (not)
and who cares if a state makes you show ID its the states right to manage that process
and who cares if you mail in your ballot (big deal)

An estimated 57.5 % of eligible voters voted in 2012 - Yipee


Again: Where's my Teapot

Colorado counties with more registered voters than residents (includes link at end with county by county registrar figures)...

http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/colo ... an-people/