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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:02 pm
by SeattleGriz
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:16 pm
Local High School went back to hybrid learning. 200 students quarrentined per covid contract tracing.
What is that Governor doing wrong?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:44 am
by kalm
GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm
if cooperation worked so well, the world would run on communism.
Cooperation could mean anything from two people to all 6 billion people in the world. Kalmie is very expansive with his definition so not to technically be tied down to any particular view or position. Why he's not already the mayor of the Palouse is beyond me.
I’m not sure what makes you so uneasy about my comment to Z or what you think it could be possibly tied down with. It’s fairly simple and true. I brought it up here because we are (hopefully) transitioning out of a period of peak selfishness via a crisis that is best navigated through a sense of community and cooperation. The same forces which enabled humans (for better and for worse) to move from killing small critters, to bigger game and efficiency in hunting (more protein), requiring larger groups leading to agrarian cultures also enable us to minimize the loss and duration of pandemics.
The pitfalls of communism notwithstanding, Z’s and your replies suggest the pendulum of ego still needs to swing back closer to the middle.
But I know...cooperation and community...baaaaaadd.
Ego driven “bootstraps”...good!
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:46 am
by kalm
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:02 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:16 pm
Local High School went back to hybrid learning. 200 students quarrentined per covid contract tracing.
What is that Governor doing wrong?
Located the state next to Canada where one of the new variants is flourishing...duh.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:47 am
by kalm
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:58 am
by Gil Dobie
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:02 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:16 pm
Local High School went back to hybrid learning. 200 students quarrentined per covid contract tracing.
What is that Governor doing wrong?
It's not up to the Governor, it's up to the school district.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:26 am
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:47 am
Why?
My body, my choice.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:32 am
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:44 am
GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 pm
Cooperation could mean anything from two people to all 6 billion people in the world. Kalmie is very expansive with his definition so not to technically be tied down to any particular view or position. Why he's not already the mayor of the Palouse is beyond me.
I’m not sure what makes you so uneasy about my comment to Z or what you think it could be possibly tied down with. It’s fairly simple and true. I brought it up here because we are (hopefully) transitioning out of a period of peak selfishness via a crisis that is best navigated through a sense of community and cooperation. The same forces which enabled humans (for better and for worse) to move from killing small critters, to bigger game and efficiency in hunting (more protein), requiring larger groups leading to agrarian cultures also enable us to minimize the loss and duration of pandemics.
The pitfalls of communism notwithstanding, Z’s and your replies suggest the pendulum of ego still needs to swing back closer to the middle.
But I know...cooperation and community...baaaaaadd.
Ego driven “bootstraps”...good!
You are equating the 2-5% of vocal antimaskers to a "period of peak selfishness"....everywhere I go, STILL, 95% of people are wearing masks, even if they don't have to--and that's in big, bad, independent-minded Texas. 95% of people will literally go to the other side of the street rather than pass within six feet of you. The vast majority of people wash their hands, wash down their restaurant tables and chairs, and use hand sanitizer almost obsessively. This "period of peak selfishness" is literally a boogeyman made up to attempt to guilt the few remaining people who were ardent anti-followers. It's not a fucking epidemic of anti-maskers, in fact, quite the opposite.
None of that, though, changes the fact that if I were a small business owner and I needed to be open to provide for my family, I'd have been open. And probably arrested at some point. See, it's cooperation: if you don't feel safe coming into my store, DON'T COME IN! It's really not complicated, but those who DO feel safe are welcome to come in, spend their money, and help me put food on my family's table. THAT is "cooperation". FORCING me to shut down, lock down and close down permanently and driving me and my employees to the unemployment line and government dependence is NOT "cooperation". That's fascism.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:04 am
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:32 am
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:44 am
I’m not sure what makes you so uneasy about my comment to Z or what you think it could be possibly tied down with. It’s fairly simple and true. I brought it up here because we are (hopefully) transitioning out of a period of peak selfishness via a crisis that is best navigated through a sense of community and cooperation. The same forces which enabled humans (for better and for worse) to move from killing small critters, to bigger game and efficiency in hunting (more protein), requiring larger groups leading to agrarian cultures also enable us to minimize the loss and duration of pandemics.
The pitfalls of communism notwithstanding, Z’s and your replies suggest the pendulum of ego still needs to swing back closer to the middle.
But I know...cooperation and community...baaaaaadd.
Ego driven “bootstraps”...good!
You are equating the 2-5% of vocal antimaskers to a "period of peak selfishness"....everywhere I go, STILL, 95% of people are wearing masks, even if they don't have to--and that's in big, bad, independent-minded Texas. 95% of people will literally go to the other side of the street rather than pass within six feet of you. The vast majority of people wash their hands, wash down their restaurant tables and chairs, and use hand sanitizer almost obsessively. This "period of peak selfishness" is literally a boogeyman made up to attempt to guilt the few remaining people who were ardent anti-followers. It's not a fucking epidemic of anti-maskers, in fact, quite the opposite.
None of that, though, changes the fact that if I were a small business owner and I needed to be open to provide for my family, I'd have been open. And probably arrested at some point. See, it's cooperation: if you don't feel safe coming into my store, DON'T COME IN! It's really not complicated, but those who DO feel safe are welcome to come in, spend their money, and help me put food on my family's table. THAT is "cooperation". FORCING me to shut down, lock down and close down permanently and driving me and my employees to the unemployment line and government dependence is NOT "cooperation". That's fascism.
No. I literally didn’t equate any of what I said to anti-mashers. And this process didn’t start in 2020. Triggered much?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:15 am
by SDHornet
Meanwhile in the UK...
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:19 am
by Skjellyfetti
I thought we were all about complying with police. They're lucky they weren't summarily executed.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:21 am
by UNI88
SDHornet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:15 am
Meanwhile in the UK...
Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:19 am
I thought we were all about complying with police. They're lucky they weren't summarily executed.
With a baton?
Who pays for the hotel room, room service, etc. during mandatory quarantine in the UK?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:09 am
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:26 am
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:47 am
Why?
My body, my choice.
Oh. So you’re making a political statement. Ha! Showed them!
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:32 am
by SDHornet
Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:19 am
I thought we were all about complying with police. They're lucky they weren't summarily executed.
Not sure if the China virus protocols are "laws" in the UK, but they aren't here so why/how would LEO's be enforcing them?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:44 am
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:04 am
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:32 am
You are equating the 2-5% of vocal antimaskers to a "period of peak selfishness"....everywhere I go, STILL, 95% of people are wearing masks, even if they don't have to--and that's in big, bad, independent-minded Texas. 95% of people will literally go to the other side of the street rather than pass within six feet of you. The vast majority of people wash their hands, wash down their restaurant tables and chairs, and use hand sanitizer almost obsessively. This "period of peak selfishness" is literally a boogeyman made up to attempt to guilt the few remaining people who were ardent anti-followers. It's not a fucking epidemic of anti-maskers, in fact, quite the opposite.
None of that, though, changes the fact that if I were a small business owner and I needed to be open to provide for my family, I'd have been open. And probably arrested at some point. See, it's cooperation: if you don't feel safe coming into my store, DON'T COME IN! It's really not complicated, but those who DO feel safe are welcome to come in, spend their money, and help me put food on my family's table. THAT is "cooperation". FORCING me to shut down, lock down and close down permanently and driving me and my employees to the unemployment line and government dependence is NOT "cooperation". That's fascism.
No. I literally didn’t equate any of what I said to anti-mashers. And this process didn’t start in 2020. Triggered much?
well, you suggested it was about ego, and your comment about "cooperation" certainly could be construed to mean complying with the "mandates" that were established (science be damned). I was just attempting to explain otherwise. More about survival.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:46 am
by AZGrizFan
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:47 am
by AZGrizFan
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:21 am
SDHornet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:15 am
Meanwhile in the UK...
Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:19 am
I thought we were all about complying with police. They're lucky they weren't summarily executed.
With a baton?
Who pays for the hotel room, room service, etc. during mandatory quarantine in the UK?
we're headed in that direction....it's a slippery slope.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:24 pm
by Gil Dobie
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:21 am
SDHornet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:15 am
Meanwhile in the UK...
Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:19 am
I thought we were all about complying with police. They're lucky they weren't summarily executed.
With a baton?
Who pays for the hotel room, room service, etc. during mandatory quarantine in the UK?
Travelers coming into the UK from Red Listed countries pay 1750 pounds for their quarantine.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:38 pm
by UNI88
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:24 pm
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:21 am
With a baton?
Who pays for the hotel room, room service, etc. during mandatory quarantine in the UK?
Travelers coming into the UK from Red Listed countries pay 1750 pounds for their quarantine.
So this clown paid 1,750 quid for a hotel room and food and didn't use it?
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:59 pm
by SDHornet
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 pm
by Gil Dobie
Cases are down since they removed the restrictions, but AZ says 90% of the people are still wearing masks.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:32 pm
by AZGrizFan
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 pm
Cases are down since they removed the restrictions, but AZ says 90% of the people are still wearing masks.
Because 90% of businesses (and ALL big box stores except Walmart) still require them. I'm finding and frequenting those who do not.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:43 pm
by SeattleGriz
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:58 am
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:02 pm
What is that Governor doing wrong?
It's not up to the Governor, it's up to the school district.
The Governor is obviously driving case increases with their actions. The schools are simply responding to the Governor's actions.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:44 pm
by SeattleGriz
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:46 am
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:02 pm
What is that Governor doing wrong?
Located the state next to Canada where one of the new variants is flourishing...duh.
My bad. Fucking Fauci.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:44 pm
by JohnStOnge
SDHornet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:15 am
Meanwhile in the UK...
I have no issue with that if I heard what was going on correctly. They have a law about quarantine; which is totally reasonable. The guy violated the law. He showed total disregard for people in the society around him by doing so. It's not an "it only affects me" situation.
What gets me is that most of the people in this country support seat belt laws when, realistically, the only person somebody who doesn't wear a seat belt puts at risk is themselves. Yet there is the BIG issue with having laws trying to control the spread of a contagious disease where the person who violates the law has potential for sickening and maybe even killing other people.
Re: Coronavirus COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:55 pm
by AZGrizFan
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:44 pm
kalm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:46 am
Located the state next to Canada where one of the new variants is flourishing...duh.
My bad. Fucking Fauci.
Canadian cases up about 150% in past month. Deaths are up.....wait for it........20%.
