2025/2026 Elections Congressional & State

[kalm]

Quit trying to project your racism on to me. Regardless of how easy it is for you, it at the very least requires a little work which means some will not do it. Citizens of color or whitey’s like you and me. (See how I just swatted your cancel culture out of the gym! Haha!). Hence the number of voters decreases which is what you want.

Show me the poll with the first set of approval numbers or it’s a shit poll.

Heavens forbid someone has to do a modicum of effort.

And speaking of modicum of effort- Reading is fundamental.

I’m not wading through your post to find it. It has multiple polls but those particular numbers weren’t attached to a specific one if IIRC. I did look at polling whenninfirstcsaw it and there was little to find except the administration crowing about it.

[Caribbean Hen]

Insulting

What do you find insulting about it?

Why don’t you think some people could be insulted by those comments?

[kalm]

What do you find insulting about it?

Why don’t you think some people could be insulted by those comments?

I can’t imagine. So it’s safe to assume you’ve got no answer understand CH mad!

[BDKJMU]

Getting all of the documents can be time consuming and it costs money which the courts might consider the equivalent of an illegal poll tax (24th Amendment).

Is the SAVE Act an attempt to fix MAQA's Voter Fraud HOAX? There is less voter fraud then there was collusion between trump and russia.

Of course, all this is ironical because folks who would lean on the 24th amendment today to block the GOP to make registration changes, and say that they also don't want the federalization of elections, would miss that historical fact that racist whites who opposed the 24th amendment in the first place did so because they didn't want to federalize elections (and therefore stop them from disenfranchising Blacks). Strange bedfellows indeed.

I looked up BDK's mention of the ease of getting a birth certificate for PA and it is relatively simple and the mechanism by itself wouldn't be considered a barrier to voting. However, there is the fee of $20 for a birth certificate in PA, which I imagine is similar in most states. And yes, I do think that would be considered a poll tax if we suddenly made obtaining one as a form of ID a condition of voting. And I do think a SCOTUS lined up the way we have it today would see it as a violation of the 24th ammendent (besides the automatic 2 on the left, Kagan, Gorsuch, and Roberts, and very likely Barrett, would see it that way as well). There are waivers to paying a monetary amount for a birth certificate, in PA a military member or their spouse are exempt, so I'm sure a similar exemption could be put in place for a one-time, get your birth certificate to vote movement. Doesn't seem difficult, but it's not there in the bill.

Of course, that's what happens when Congress is the way it is - neither party interested in ever talking to the other party about drafting legislation together, with compromises, to get things done. Voter ID, on the surface, is not controversial at all - most Americans, by a wide margin, are for it, and almost all of the developed countries in the world use a form of voter ID. Finding a way to make it happen should be pretty easy, but here we are, with one party stumbling forward with a bill that's incomplete and shoddy and the opposing party just saying no because, well, that's all they do for anything while out of power. Stupid times.

Whenever Kalm or anyone else points out almost all of Europe having socialized medicine, I’m going point out almost all of Europe has elections with
-one day.
-voter ID.
-no mass mail in/limited to no absentee.

If you want to emulate Europe, then let’s emulate Europe.

[Caribbean Hen]

Why don’t you think some people could be insulted by those comments?

I can’t imagine. So it’s safe to assume you’ve got no answer understand CH mad!

Huh

Chewing the gummies again I see

[kalm]

Of course, all this is ironical because folks who would lean on the 24th amendment today to block the GOP to make registration changes, and say that they also don't want the federalization of elections, would miss that historical fact that racist whites who opposed the 24th amendment in the first place did so because they didn't want to federalize elections (and therefore stop them from disenfranchising Blacks). Strange bedfellows indeed.

I looked up BDK's mention of the ease of getting a birth certificate for PA and it is relatively simple and the mechanism by itself wouldn't be considered a barrier to voting. However, there is the fee of $20 for a birth certificate in PA, which I imagine is similar in most states. And yes, I do think that would be considered a poll tax if we suddenly made obtaining one as a form of ID a condition of voting. And I do think a SCOTUS lined up the way we have it today would see it as a violation of the 24th ammendent (besides the automatic 2 on the left, Kagan, Gorsuch, and Roberts, and very likely Barrett, would see it that way as well). There are waivers to paying a monetary amount for a birth certificate, in PA a military member or their spouse are exempt, so I'm sure a similar exemption could be put in place for a one-time, get your birth certificate to vote movement. Doesn't seem difficult, but it's not there in the bill.

Of course, that's what happens when Congress is the way it is - neither party interested in ever talking to the other party about drafting legislation together, with compromises, to get things done. Voter ID, on the surface, is not controversial at all - most Americans, by a wide margin, are for it, and almost all of the developed countries in the world use a form of voter ID. Finding a way to make it happen should be pretty easy, but here we are, with one party stumbling forward with a bill that's incomplete and shoddy and the opposing party just saying no because, well, that's all they do for anything while out of power. Stupid times.

Whenever Kalm or anyone else points out almost all of Europe having socialized medicine, I’m going point out almost all of Europe has elections with
-one day.
-voter ID.
-no mass mail in/limited to no absentee.

If you want to emulate Europe, then let’s emulate Europe.

I will pick and choose the European ideas that would benefit us. No systems, (especially complicated ones) are perfect. So have fun with your imagined gotcha! Haha!

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

71% Support the SAVE America Act
91% Republicans
69% of independents
50% Democrats.

81% Favor requiring voter ID:
79% of independents
70% of Democrats.
 

80% want states to purge non-citizens from voter rolls.
 
75% support proof of citizenship to vote.
https://harvardharrispoll.com/press-rel ... uary-2026/

84% support voter ID
https://news.gallup.com/poll/652523/ame ... %20(84%25)

83% Support voter ID
95% Republicans
71% Democrats
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... 0to%20vote.

Survey after survey show OVERWHELMING support for voter ID and proof of citizenship. The donks are clinging to the 15 in an 85/15 issue because they are so beholden to the far left. If conks won‘t change the do away with the filibuster, they should enforce the talking fillibuster. Do it until some geriatric sentor croaks (conk or donk). Beat the donks over the head with this all the way till November..

Which poll do the SAVE act numbers come from? They seem high for indies and Dems. The married women part, no mail in voting, and documentation challenges for POC.

We need voting to be easier. Fraud is practically non-existent. This is just more voter suppression.

Yep. Never happens

And I can give dozens more examples.

[kalm]

Which poll do the SAVE act numbers come from? They seem high for indies and Dems. The married women part, no mail in voting, and documentation challenges for POC.

We need voting to be easier. Fraud is practically non-existent. This is just more voter suppression.

Yep. Never happens

And I can give dozens more examples.

Insignificant.

[BDKJMU]

Yep. Never happens

And I can give dozens more examples.

Insignificant.

Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

[BDKJMU]

45 million views in 17 hrs..

[UNI88]

45 million views in 17 hrs..

The Illegal Immigrants Voting HOAX continues to be spread by unhinged, radical, extremist, fascists.

[kalm]

Insignificant.

Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

Like all the Republican voter fraud incidences we hear about? Imagine the ones we don’t know about!

[BDKJMU]

45 million views in 17 hrs..

The Illegal Immigrants Voting HOAX continues to be spread by unhinged, radical, extremist, fascists.

Another day. Another illegal alien who voted in our elections.

Yep. Never happens

And I can give dozens more examples.

Insignificant.

Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

[UNI88]

The Illegal Immigrants Voting HOAX continues to be spread by unhinged, radical, extremist, fascists.

Another day. Another illegal alien who voted in our elections.

Insignificant.

Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

A bunch of anecdotal examples don't equal significant fraud. How many total out of how many votes?

If volume matters then it is beyond fair to ask how many times trump is mentioned in the epstein files.

[kalm]

The Illegal Immigrants Voting HOAX continues to be spread by unhinged, radical, extremist, fascists.

Another day. Another illegal alien who voted in our elections.

Insignificant.

Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

Hmmm…you must have missed my next reply.

[BDKJMU]

Another day. Another illegal alien who voted in our elections.


Except we keep seeing case after case after after case. Just imagine all the ones we don’t know about.

Hmmm…you must have missed my next reply.

Nope, not insignificant.

[UNI88]

Hmmm…you must have missed my next reply.

Nope, not insignificant.

Source for that claim with some actual statistical data showing that it isn't insignificant.

[kalm]

Hmmm…you must have missed my next reply.

Nope, not insignificant.

You’re still missing it.

[BDKJMU]

Nope, not insignificant.

Source for that claim with some actual statistical data showing that it isn't insignificant.

What is the definition of significant?
Proof that it isn‘t significant?

A lot of these elections are decided by a fraction of 1%..

And don‘t claim that there‘s been only ____ # of cases discovered, _____ # of prostitutions & convictions. Would be like saying because only a tiny fraction of 1% on a highway are ticketed for speeding, that only a tiny fraction of 1% exceed the speed limit.

[GannonFan]

I don't get the defending of issues with voting. If we have one case of illegal votes then there are too many. This is easily solvable, most other countries do it - voter ID, in person voting, and preferably a limited timeframe of voting. If the SAVE act doesn't work, do the work in Congress to correct it and pass something that gets us there. People will continue to complain about stolen elections and voter fraud as long as do nothing to address clear issues that do exist. Why would we keep allowing this issue to be talked about if there's an actual solution to this? Fix the issue, pass a bill that does that and that addresses the concerns with it, and we're there.

[kalm]

I don't get the defending of issues with voting. If we have one case of illegal votes then there are too many. This is easily solvable, most other countries do it - voter ID, in person voting, and preferably a limited timeframe of voting. If the SAVE act doesn't work, do the work in Congress to correct it and pass something that gets us there. People will continue to complain about stolen elections and voter fraud as long as do nothing to address clear issues that do exist. Why would we keep allowing this issue to be talked about if there's an actual solution to this? Fix the issue, pass a bill that does that and that addresses the concerns with it, and we're there.

I’d be ok with that as long as registration is relatively easy, exceptions are made for the disabled and elderly and Election Day is a national holiday.

Edit: and voting locations are distributed widely and evenly.

[UNI88]

I don't get the defending of issues with voting. If we have one case of illegal votes then there are too many. This is easily solvable, most other countries do it - voter ID, in person voting, and preferably a limited timeframe of voting. If the SAVE act doesn't work, do the work in Congress to correct it and pass something that gets us there. People will continue to complain about stolen elections and voter fraud as long as do nothing to address clear issues that do exist. Why would we keep allowing this issue to be talked about if there's an actual solution to this? Fix the issue, pass a bill that does that and that addresses the concerns with it, and we're there.

People, especially trump and MAQA, will complain about stolen elections and voter fraud when they lose regardless of what protections are in place. That's what they do.

I have no problem with requiring IDs or proof citizenship. I have a problem with MAQA rushing to do it. It's similar to how the DoJ and Smith prosecuted trump - they sat on their hands and then tried to rush it. If we're going to do it then lets take the time to do it right, make getting the identification and documents required to vote free, and cover the costs that will be incurred by the states to do do this (no more unfunded mandates).

One case of illegal/fraudulent voting is too many but it doesn't justify the rush to implement something that will likely temporarily disenfranchise people.

Mail-in voting works well in Oregon. Why force states to require in-person voting?

If we're going to spend money on this antiquated and soon to be outdated solution, why not spend it on electronic voting?

[GannonFan]

I don't get the defending of issues with voting. If we have one case of illegal votes then there are too many. This is easily solvable, most other countries do it - voter ID, in person voting, and preferably a limited timeframe of voting. If the SAVE act doesn't work, do the work in Congress to correct it and pass something that gets us there. People will continue to complain about stolen elections and voter fraud as long as do nothing to address clear issues that do exist. Why would we keep allowing this issue to be talked about if there's an actual solution to this? Fix the issue, pass a bill that does that and that addresses the concerns with it, and we're there.

I’d be ok with that as long as registration is relatively easy, exceptions are made for the disabled and elderly and Election Day is a national holiday.

Edit: and voting locations are distributed widely and evenly.

All doable if folks just sat down and hashed it out. None of this is difficult, people just don't want to do it. And it percolates down from our elected representatives that can't seem to even talk to the people they work alongside, down to just everyday people. To take your edit point into account, if people don't like how and where they vote, work to change it. Local precincts are directly the result of local involvement. If you want more or a different location, get involved and make it happen. The President or leaders in Congress, majority or minority party, aren't going to work out where so and so votes - that's at the state level and again even more so, at the county or smaller level. And it's directly impacted by people volunteering to work the polls - if not enough people volunteer, then precincts get consolidated. People need to care more at all levels.

[GannonFan]

I don't get the defending of issues with voting. If we have one case of illegal votes then there are too many. This is easily solvable, most other countries do it - voter ID, in person voting, and preferably a limited timeframe of voting. If the SAVE act doesn't work, do the work in Congress to correct it and pass something that gets us there. People will continue to complain about stolen elections and voter fraud as long as do nothing to address clear issues that do exist. Why would we keep allowing this issue to be talked about if there's an actual solution to this? Fix the issue, pass a bill that does that and that addresses the concerns with it, and we're there.

People, especially trump and MAQA, will complain about stolen elections and voter fraud when they lose regardless of what protections are in place. That's what they do.

I have no problem with requiring IDs or proof citizenship. I have a problem with MAQA rushing to do it. It's similar to how the DoJ and Smith prosecuted trump - they sat on their hands and then tried to rush it. If we're going to do it then lets take the time to do it right, make getting the identification and documents required to vote free, and cover the costs that will be incurred by the states to do do this (no more unfunded mandates).

One case of illegal/fraudulent voting is too many but it doesn't justify the rush to implement something that will likely temporarily disenfranchise people.

Mail-in voting works well in Oregon. Why force states to require in-person voting?

If we're going to spend money on this antiquated and soon to be outdated solution, why not spend it on electronic voting?

Agreed, it shouldn't be rushed, but it also shouldn't take very long either. We're not reinventing the wheel here, it's voting. And yes, after we get something in place that even remotely resembles what the rest of the world has apparently been able to do then it significantly takes the steam out of anyone, GOP today but Dems back in 2016, complaining about stolen elections. It doesn't help that we can find irregularities and people voting, or voting more than once, who shouldn't be voting. Every illegal vote cancels out someone else's vote, and even if it's minute then it's still someone's vote being wasted. For all the talk of the end of democracy and such, it actually feels like it when people can think their vote doesn't count.

I know you keep bringing up electronic voting, but I don't see how, given all the fraud we have in just everyday life, people are going to feel secure that their vote went in and it got counted correctly. And the money involved to do something like that just dwarfs the money that would be required to certify only people who should be voting are voting and to help them get the documents they need to do that.