UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:51 pm
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 11:56 am
I stopped reading at “citizens of color“. Another leftist construct like “undocumented.“
I included the links for the polls: Harvard Harris, Gallup, Pew Research.
And just because someone doesn't have it doesn‘t mean they can‘t easily get it.
-Easy for a citizen to get a govt issued photo ID.
-I web searched “getting copy of your birth certificate Pennsylvania“ and immediately popped up a link to the PA Dept of Health with the simple steps to obtain a certified copy of your birth certificate. I‘m sure it’s the same/similar in every other state. (Maybe it’s f‘ed up in some deep blue ones lol)
It’s no harder for poor black folks to get these things than poor white folks (majority of whom voted for Trump). But keep being like the rest of the left for the last 60 years, pedaling the soft bigotry of low expectations for minorities, esp blacks..
Getting all of the documents can be time consuming and it costs money which the courts might consider the equivalent of an illegal poll tax (24th Amendment).
Is the SAVE Act an attempt to fix MAQA's Voter Fraud HOAX?
There is less voter fraud then there was collusion between trump and russia.
Of course, all this is ironical because folks who would lean on the 24th amendment today to block the GOP to make registration changes, and say that they also don't want the federalization of elections, would miss that historical fact that racist whites who opposed the 24th amendment in the first place did so because they didn't want to federalize elections (and therefore stop them from disenfranchising Blacks). Strange bedfellows indeed.
I looked up BDK's mention of the ease of getting a birth certificate for PA and it is relatively simple and the mechanism by itself wouldn't be considered a barrier to voting. However, there is the fee of $20 for a birth certificate in PA, which I imagine is similar in most states. And yes, I do think that would be considered a poll tax if we suddenly made obtaining one as a form of ID a condition of voting. And I do think a SCOTUS lined up the way we have it today would see it as a violation of the 24th ammendent (besides the automatic 2 on the left, Kagan, Gorsuch, and Roberts, and very likely Barrett, would see it that way as well). There are waivers to paying a monetary amount for a birth certificate, in PA a military member or their spouse are exempt, so I'm sure a similar exemption could be put in place for a one-time, get your birth certificate to vote movement. Doesn't seem difficult, but it's not there in the bill.
Of course, that's what happens when Congress is the way it is - neither party interested in ever talking to the other party about drafting legislation together, with compromises, to get things done. Voter ID, on the surface, is not controversial at all - most Americans, by a wide margin, are for it, and almost all of the developed countries in the world use a form of voter ID. Finding a way to make it happen should be pretty easy, but here we are, with one party stumbling forward with a bill that's incomplete and shoddy and the opposing party just saying no because, well, that's all they do for anything while out of power. Stupid times.