The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

Brought to you by the same people who think UKR started the war and Putin is a victim.

You believe like UniStBehar that Russia more corrupt than Ukraine. Puhleaze. Idiot level statement.

Don’t care to acknowledge Russia’s oligarchy and hostilities toward their neighbors?

That’s probably wise.

[SeattleGriz]

You believe like UniStBehar that Russia more corrupt than Ukraine. Puhleaze. Idiot level statement.

Don’t care to acknowledge Russia’s oligarchy and hostilities toward their neighbors?

That’s probably wise.

Bitch please. When Putin returned he told the Oligarchs they can keep their money and businesses but they were not allowed into politics any more since they bought they way in under Yeltsin

Holy fuck. Your history timeline is off by 35 years. As Cap'n used to say, "Boy go inform yourself and report back".

[SeattleGriz]

You believe like UniStBehar that Russia more corrupt than Ukraine. Puhleaze. Idiot level statement.

I asked Grok the following question "which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?" It responded:

Graft and corruption—encompassing bribery, embezzlement, nepotism, and state capture—are systemic challenges in both Ukraine and Russia, rooted in post-Soviet legacies of opaque governance, oligarchic influence, and weak rule of law. However, based on expert assessments and global indices, Russia faces a more severe problem. This conclusion draws primarily from the 2024 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) by Transparency International, which ranks 180 countries on perceived public-sector corruption (0 = highly corrupt, 100 = very clean). The CPI aggregates data from 13 sources, including the World Bank, Freedom House, and business surveys, covering perceptions from February 2023 to September 2024.

Ukraine's Situation: The score reflects modest progress from anti-corruption reforms driven by EU integration and international aid conditions, such as the ProZorro e-procurement system (which has saved billions in misappropriated funds) and prosecutions via the National Anti-Corruption Bureau. However, the war has introduced risks like opaque defense spending, and recent scandals (e.g., embezzlement in military procurement) contributed to the slight decline. Public perception remains high, with 85% of Ukrainians viewing government corruption as widespread in 2025 polls.

Russia's Situation: The lower score indicates deeper entrenchment, exacerbated by the Ukraine invasion, which has eroded transparency in institutions, boosted kleptocratic networks, and suppressed dissent (e.g., via crackdowns on independent media and NGOs). Russia's score is its worst ever, signaling accelerated degradation in accountability. It lags far behind even other high-corruption peers, with limited reforms and rampant elite capture.

Broader Insights

• Trends Over Time: Ukraine has improved significantly since 2012 (from 26 to 35), outpacing Russia's slide (from 28 to 22). Ukraine ranks ahead of Russia in other metrics, like the Index of Public Integrity, due to stronger civil society oversight and e-governance tools.
• Why Russia Ranks Worse: Authoritarian consolidation under Putin enables unchecked graft at the highest levels, including oligarch enrichment and war profiteering. Ukraine, despite flaws, has more active anti-corruption bodies and international pressure for accountability.
• Limitations: The CPI measures perceptions, not absolute corruption levels, and wartime secrecy in both countries may understate issues. For a fuller picture, combine with domestic surveys or enforcement data.

In summary, Russia has the worse problem with graft and corruption, as evidenced by its substantially lower CPI score and rank. Ukraine's challenges are serious but show glimmers of reform potential.

Sorry Charlie, Grok agrees with me.

Show us you don't understand LLM's without saying you don't understand LLM's. I was excited for you, now I'm worried. Learn how Gen AI works.

Also, why are you using Grok. Thought you hated Musk. Digital NIMBY!!!

[kalm]

Don’t care to acknowledge Russia’s oligarchy and hostilities toward their neighbors?

That’s probably wise.

Bitch please. When Putin returned he told the Oligarchs they can keep their money and businesses but they were not allowed into politics any more since they bought they way in under Yeltsin

Holy fuck. Your history timeline is off by 35 years. As Cap'n used to say, "Boy go inform yourself and report back".

Weee!!!!

[UNI88]

I asked Grok the following question "which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?" It responded:

Sorry Charlie, Grok agrees with me.

Show us you don't understand LLM's without saying you don't understand LLM's. I was excited for you, now I'm worried. Learn how Gen AI works.

Also, why are you using Grok. Thought you hated Musk. Digital NIMBY!!!

ChatGPT gave me a similar answer.

You're taking pot shots at me because the facts back me up. russia is more corrupt than Ukraine.

The trump/MAQA yahoo approach of attempting to make lies be perceived as truth by repeating them over and over isn’t going to work on me.

[SeattleGriz]

Show us you don't understand LLM's without saying you don't understand LLM's. I was excited for you, now I'm worried. Learn how Gen AI works.

Also, why are you using Grok. Thought you hated Musk. Digital NIMBY!!!

ChatGPT gave me a similar answer.

You're taking pot shots at me because the facts back me up. russia is more corrupt than Ukraine.

The trump/MAQA yahoo approach of attempting to make lies be perceived as truth by repeating them over and over isn’t going to work on me.

Dude, you don't understand LLM's

LLMs are trained on Internet data. The Western media floods the zone with shit article after shit article and that bias is shown.

Take Covington Catholic. You bought that those little pieces of shit were guilty and if you asked ChatGPT about the topic, it would have joined right along with your uninformed take.

Fast forward two days and all of a sudden, the story changes. LLM's reflect their "info depository" and how you prompt.

You're so TDS I can only imagine the biased questions/statement you ask.

[SeattleGriz]

Bitch please. When Putin returned he told the Oligarchs they can keep their money and businesses but they were not allowed into politics any more since they bought they way in under Yeltsin

Holy fuck. Your history timeline is off by 35 years. As Cap'n used to say, "Boy go inform yourself and report back".

Weee!!!!

Whatever it takes for you to feel better about getting Putin via dead Ukrainians. Get that Orange whale!!!

[UNI88]

ChatGPT gave me a similar answer.

You're taking pot shots at me because the facts back me up. russia is more corrupt than Ukraine.

The trump/MAQA yahoo approach of attempting to make lies be perceived as truth by repeating them over and over isn’t going to work on me.

Dude, you don't understand LLM's

LLMs are trained on Internet data. The Western media floods the zone with shit article after shit article and that bias is shown.

Take Covington Catholic. You bought that those little pieces of shit were guilty and if you asked ChatGPT about the topic, it would have joined right along with your uninformed take.

Fast forward two days and all of a sudden, the story changes. LLM's reflect their "info depository" and how you prompt.

You're so TDS I can only imagine the biased questions/statement you ask.

You're tDS going in the other direction is just as bad if not worse than whatever tDS I might have so you have no room to talk. You will defend/deflect/ignore for your false god in addition to swallowing almost any bullshit that he asks you to (the 2020 election was stolen, he's an innocent victim who did nothing wrong, etc.),

Are you saying the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is wrong? I don't think so. There is plenty of evidence that russian oligarchs continue to enrich putin and his cronies in order to maintain their positions. They are wealthy and run their countries at his pleasure. If they anger him or fail to pay enough tribute they will be removed. If they go really far they'll "accidentally" fall out of a window or be afflicted with radiation poisoning. If you can't see that then you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you could french kiss your tonsils.

[SeattleGriz]

Dude, you don't understand LLM's

LLMs are trained on Internet data. The Western media floods the zone with shit article after shit article and that bias is shown.

Take Covington Catholic. You bought that those little pieces of shit were guilty and if you asked ChatGPT about the topic, it would have joined right along with your uninformed take.

Fast forward two days and all of a sudden, the story changes. LLM's reflect their "info depository" and how you prompt.

You're so TDS I can only imagine the biased questions/statement you ask.

You're tDS going in the other direction is just as bad if not worse than whatever tDS I might have so you have no room to talk. You will defend/deflect/ignore for your false god in addition to swallowing almost any bullshit that he asks you to (the 2020 election was stolen, he's an innocent victim who did nothing wrong, etc.),

Are you saying the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is wrong? I don't think so. There is plenty of evidence that russian oligarchs continue to enrich putin and his cronies in order to maintain their positions. They are wealthy and run their countries at his pleasure. If they anger him or fail to pay enough tribute they will be removed. If they go really far they'll "accidentally" fall out of a window or be afflicted with radiation poisoning. If you can't see that then you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you could french kiss your tonsils.

Here is what Gemini 3 Pro has to say. Best LLM on the market. Ukraine is corrupt as hell and you, like Klam, don't give a shit. It's all to get Orange Man bad. You don't give a shit over dead Ukrainians, just pushing your version. Despicable.

The Hard Reality
The uncomfortable truth that is slowly dawning on policymakers is that they may be financing the creation of an autocratic client state in Ukraine—one that lacks the checks and balances of a democracy and the stability of a historical power like Russia. By ignoring the rampant internal corruption and the suppression of civil liberties in Kyiv, the West isn't protecting democracy; it is subsidizing a failing state that has learned to monetize its own tragedy.

[UNI88]

You're tDS going in the other direction is just as bad if not worse than whatever tDS I might have so you have no room to talk. You will defend/deflect/ignore for your false god in addition to swallowing almost any bullshit that he asks you to (the 2020 election was stolen, he's an innocent victim who did nothing wrong, etc.),

Are you saying the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is wrong? I don't think so. There is plenty of evidence that russian oligarchs continue to enrich putin and his cronies in order to maintain their positions. They are wealthy and run their countries at his pleasure. If they anger him or fail to pay enough tribute they will be removed. If they go really far they'll "accidentally" fall out of a window or be afflicted with radiation poisoning. If you can't see that then you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you could french kiss your tonsils.

Here is what Gemini 3 Pro has to say. Best LLM on the market. Ukraine is corrupt as hell and you, like Klam, don't give a shit. It's all to get Orange Man bad. You don't give a shit over dead Ukrainians, just pushing your version. Despicable.

The Hard Reality
The uncomfortable truth that is slowly dawning on policymakers is that they may be financing the creation of an autocratic client state in Ukraine—one that lacks the checks and balances of a democracy and the stability of a historical power like Russia. By ignoring the rampant internal corruption and the suppression of civil liberties in Kyiv, the West isn't protecting democracy; it is subsidizing a failing state that has learned to monetize its own tragedy.

Why didn't you tell us specifically what question you asked Gemini 3? Maybe because you asked a leading question that you knew would give you the type of answer you were looking for?

I asked Gemini 3 the same question I asked the other 2 AI's (which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?") formatted without a table. It responded:

Absolutely, here is the comparison of graft and corruption between Ukraine and Russia, formatted without a table for easier reading.

Corruption: Ukraine vs. Russia
Based on international assessments, particularly the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) from Transparency International, Russia is perceived to have a significantly more severe problem with graft and corruption than Ukraine.

Russia: A More Severe Problem
CPI Score and Rank: In the 2024 CPI, Russia received a score of 22, placing it at 154th out of 180 countries. A lower score indicates a higher perceived level of public sector corruption.

Trend: Russia's score has been on a downward trend, with the 2024 result marking its lowest since 2012. This suggests a worsening environment for transparency and accountability.

Root Cause: The high level of corruption is closely linked to the country's entrenched authoritarian system. A lack of independent media, civil society oversight, and political competition fosters a kleptocracy, where state resources are often funneled to those connected to the ruling elite. Secrecy around military and state contracts further shields corruption from public view.

Ukraine: Progress Amidst Challenges
CPI Score and Rank: In the 2024 CPI, Ukraine received a score of 35, ranking it 105th out of 180 countries. While still facing major challenges, this score is substantially higher than Russia's.

Trend: Ukraine has shown a long-term upward trajectory in its CPI score since 2013. This progress reflects the impact of several key anti-corruption reforms.

Reform and Accountability: Following the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution, Ukraine established a robust anti-corruption architecture, including specialized bodies tasked with investigating and prosecuting high-level graft. Crucially, a vibrant civil society and independent media often expose corruption, and high-profile arrests demonstrate an existing, though imperfect, mechanism of accountability.

Conclusion: While corruption remains a major domestic issue, Ukraine is recognized for having an active, functional system to investigate and address it, which differentiates it from Russia where such mechanisms are largely suppressed.

In Summary: International transparency indices consistently show that Russia is perceived as the nation with the worse overall problem of graft and corruption.

Would you like me to search for the specific details of a recent anti-corruption case in either of these countries?

[SeattleGriz]

Here is what Gemini 3 Pro has to say. Best LLM on the market. Ukraine is corrupt as hell and you, like Klam, don't give a shit. It's all to get Orange Man bad. You don't give a shit over dead Ukrainians, just pushing your version. Despicable.

Why didn't you tell us specifically what question you asked Gemini 3? Maybe because you asked a leading question that you knew would give you the type of answer you were looking for?

I asked Gemini 3 the same question I asked the other 2 AI's (which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?") formatted without a table. It responded:

Absolutely, here is the comparison of graft and corruption between Ukraine and Russia, formatted without a table for easier reading.

Corruption: Ukraine vs. Russia
Based on international assessments, particularly the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) from Transparency International, Russia is perceived to have a significantly more severe problem with graft and corruption than Ukraine.

Russia: A More Severe Problem
CPI Score and Rank: In the 2024 CPI, Russia received a score of 22, placing it at 154th out of 180 countries. A lower score indicates a higher perceived level of public sector corruption.

Trend: Russia's score has been on a downward trend, with the 2024 result marking its lowest since 2012. This suggests a worsening environment for transparency and accountability.

Root Cause: The high level of corruption is closely linked to the country's entrenched authoritarian system. A lack of independent media, civil society oversight, and political competition fosters a kleptocracy, where state resources are often funneled to those connected to the ruling elite. Secrecy around military and state contracts further shields corruption from public view.

Ukraine: Progress Amidst Challenges
CPI Score and Rank: In the 2024 CPI, Ukraine received a score of 35, ranking it 105th out of 180 countries. While still facing major challenges, this score is substantially higher than Russia's.

Trend: Ukraine has shown a long-term upward trajectory in its CPI score since 2013. This progress reflects the impact of several key anti-corruption reforms.

Reform and Accountability: Following the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution, Ukraine established a robust anti-corruption architecture, including specialized bodies tasked with investigating and prosecuting high-level graft. Crucially, a vibrant civil society and independent media often expose corruption, and high-profile arrests demonstrate an existing, though imperfect, mechanism of accountability.

Conclusion: While corruption remains a major domestic issue, Ukraine is recognized for having an active, functional system to investigate and address it, which differentiates it from Russia where such mechanisms are largely suppressed.

In Summary: International transparency indices consistently show that Russia is perceived as the nation with the worse overall problem of graft and corruption.

Would you like me to search for the specific details of a recent anti-corruption case in either of these countries?

Because I did ask it a leading prompt and that was the point. You can get AI to say anything you want.

In regards to Ukraine and it's supposed rigid framework against corruption, then why are we seeing all of Zelensky's buds get taken down and most likely Zelensky. Because they are corrupt as shit.

[Skjellyfetti]

Surely Russia tried offering the notoriously corrupt Zelenskyy some rubles to abandon Ukraine and cede it to Russia when they were at Kyiv's doorstep. Could have saved a lot of blood and treasure.

[GannonFan]

Why didn't you tell us specifically what question you asked Gemini 3? Maybe because you asked a leading question that you knew would give you the type of answer you were looking for?

I asked Gemini 3 the same question I asked the other 2 AI's (which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?") formatted without a table. It responded:

Because I did ask it a leading prompt and that was the point. You can get AI to say anything you want.

In regards to Ukraine and it's supposed rigid framework against corruption, then why are we seeing all of Zelensky's buds get taken down and most likely Zelensky. Because they are corrupt as shit.

And they're also Nazis.

[UNI88]

Rep. Mike Turner says "you can't be America First and pro-Russia" as negotiators seek to broker end to war in Ukraine

Asked by CBS' chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes whether he still has concerns about the plan being too pro-Russia, Turner, who sits on the House Armed Services Committee and formerly chaired the House Intelligence Committee, said "I think we all have those concerns." But he added, "one thing that I think everybody understands is that you can't have, you can't be America First and pro-Russia, because Russia is a self-declared adversary of the United States."

"It's fielding new, advanced nuclear weapons that are specifically targeting the United States, it's constantly attacking the United States with offensive cyber, it continuously identifies both NATO and the west, the United States, as its adversary," Turner said. "You have to understand that the balance of this peace arrangement has to be one where you have to look at Russia as a skeptical adversary."

Asked about a transcript of a call published by Bloomberg in which Witkoff appeared to be coaching a Kremlin aide on how to negotiate with President Trump, Turner said "the part that concerned me most is that there appeared to be an orchestration of giving Putin an opportunity to speak to Trump before President Zelenskyy was on his way to the White House."

Turner said "this is not a military against military action, they are bombing into Ukraine and murderously killing civilians in Ukraine."

[UNI88]

Why didn't you tell us specifically what question you asked Gemini 3? Maybe because you asked a leading question that you knew would give you the type of answer you were looking for?

I asked Gemini 3 the same question I asked the other 2 AI's (which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?") formatted without a table. It responded:

Because I did ask it a leading prompt and that was the point. You can get AI to say anything you want.

In regards to Ukraine and it's supposed rigid framework against corruption, then why are we seeing all of Zelensky's buds get taken down and most likely Zelensky. Because they are corrupt as shit.

As Ganny said “and they're also Nazis. “


Was the question I asked the 3 AIs leading?

Who said Ukraine had a “rigid framework against corruption”? Why are you making shit up? Is that what you do when you’re losing a debate? Put words in your opponents mouth and then comment on what you said they said rather than what they actually said?


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[SeattleGriz]

Because I did ask it a leading prompt and that was the point. You can get AI to say anything you want.

In regards to Ukraine and it's supposed rigid framework against corruption, then why are we seeing all of Zelensky's buds get taken down and most likely Zelensky. Because they are corrupt as shit.

As Ganny said “and they're also Nazis. “


Was the question I asked the 3 AIs leading?

Who said Ukraine had a “rigid framework against corruption”? Why are you making shit up? Is that what you do when you’re losing a debate? Put words in your opponents mouth and then comment on what you said they said rather than what they actually said?


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So now Ukraine does NOT have a framework against corruption? Which is it? They do or don't? See, this is why interacting with you is always a lose lose. You continuously waffle.

[houndawg]

ChatGPT gave me a similar answer.

You're taking pot shots at me because the facts back me up. russia is more corrupt than Ukraine.

The trump/MAQA yahoo approach of attempting to make lies be perceived as truth by repeating them over and over isn’t going to work on me.

Dude, you don't understand LLM's

LLMs are trained on Internet data. The Western media floods the zone with shit article after shit article and that bias is shown.

Take Covington Catholic. You bought that those little pieces of shit were guilty and if you asked ChatGPT about the topic, it would have joined right along with your uninformed take.

Fast forward two days and all of a sudden, the story changes. LLM's reflect their "info depository" and how you prompt.

You're so TDS I can only imagine the biased questions/statement you ask.

..never stop sloppin' the Russian knob.......

pitiful

[houndawg]

As Ganny said “and they're also Nazis. “


Was the question I asked the 3 AIs leading?

Who said Ukraine had a “rigid framework against corruption”? Why are you making shit up? Is that what you do when you’re losing a debate? Put words in your opponents mouth and then comment on what you said they said rather than what they actually said?


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So now Ukraine does NOT have a framework against corruption? Which is it? They do or don't? See, this is why interacting with you is always a lose lose. You continuously waffle.

everybody is corrupt; what does that have to do with Russia invading Ukraine?

[SeattleGriz]

Dude, you don't understand LLM's

LLMs are trained on Internet data. The Western media floods the zone with shit article after shit article and that bias is shown.

Take Covington Catholic. You bought that those little pieces of shit were guilty and if you asked ChatGPT about the topic, it would have joined right along with your uninformed take.

Fast forward two days and all of a sudden, the story changes. LLM's reflect their "info depository" and how you prompt.

You're so TDS I can only imagine the biased questions/statement you ask.

..never stop sloppin' the Russian knob.......

pitiful

Dirty whore! Good to see you.

[houndawg]

..never stop sloppin' the Russian knob.......

pitiful

Dirty whore! Good to see you.

ciao!

[UNI88]

As Ganny said “and they're also Nazis. “


Was the question I asked the 3 AIs leading?

Who said Ukraine had a “rigid framework against corruption”? Why are you making shit up? Is that what you do when you’re losing a debate? Put words in your opponents mouth and then comment on what you said they said rather than what they actually said?


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So now Ukraine does NOT have a framework against corruption? Which is it? They do or don't? See, this is why interacting with you is always a lose lose. You continuously waffle.

RIGID - where did I say rigid?

They have functioning organizations and processes in place. Those organizations were named earlier in this thread. Ukraine isn’t perfect but they’re trying and they’re improving.

Who checks putin and his cronies? No one and if anyone tries they have an unfortunate “accident”.


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[kalm]

[UNI88]

Actual facts mean nothing to trump or MAQA. If trump says it they believe it. And they perceive fact checking him as censorship


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[SeattleGriz]

Because I did ask it a leading prompt and that was the point. You can get AI to say anything you want.

In regards to Ukraine and it's supposed rigid framework against corruption, then why are we seeing all of Zelensky's buds get taken down and most likely Zelensky. Because they are corrupt as shit.

And they're also Nazis.

I'll go with someone who has worked with the Ukrainians via UN and NATO, Jaques Baud.

He says the term Nazi is propaganda, but the people Ukraine used to kill its own citizens are very much in that same vein of extremist. This is what all the brouhaha was about with the US paying to support Azov. They technically cannot be a part of the Ukrainian military, so they are simply mercenaries for hire.

Azov does have Nazi ties and they also are a small part of the Ukrainian government.

[SeattleGriz]

Hmm. Interesting.