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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:48 pm None of her supporters will see this.

Who is being inserted into that community?
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:39 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:48 pm None of her supporters will see this.

Who is being inserted into that community?
What community?
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:10 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:39 pm

Who is being inserted into that community?
What community?
If you ask the question of whether anyone in her community will see this, and then act like you don't know the community, why are you asking in the first place?
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:09 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:10 pm

What community?
If you ask the question of whether anyone in her community will see this, and then act like you don't know the community, why are you asking in the first place?
Oh. I used supporters. You inserted community.

And I didn’t pose it as a question. It’s a safe assumption.
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:09 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:09 pm

If you ask the question of whether anyone in her community will see this, and then act like you don't know the community, why are you asking in the first place?
Oh. I used supporters. You inserted community.

And I didn’t pose it as a question. It’s a safe assumption.
I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:39 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:09 pm

Oh. I used supporters. You inserted community.

And I didn’t pose it as a question. It’s a safe assumption.
I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
It matters little if it’s an outlier. Outliers are used by both sides to make and counter points. Few are interested in facts, even/especially if they are solid but run contrary to your side’s narrative.

See economics and how automatically dismissive you are here for example.
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:17 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:39 am

I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
It matters little if it’s an outlier. Outliers are used by both sides to make and counter points. Few are interested in facts, even/especially if they are solid but run contrary to your side’s narrative.

See economics and how automatically dismissive you are here for example.
To wit and shocking I know that Mace has played loose with the facts before.

Even IF Rattner’s (who I can’t stand BtW) numbers are off or outliers there’s a serious gap between the 77% who believe crime has risen and whatever the more accurate non-“outlier” happens to be.

Propaganda… It’s effective.
But data from the FBI shows that crime decreased significantly in 2023, including a 13 percent decline in murder, a 6 percent decline in reported violent crime and a 4 percent decrease in reported property crime. “At some point in 2022 — at the end of 2022 or through 2023 — there was just a tipping point where violence started to fall and it just continued to fall,” Jeff Asher, a crime analyst and co-founder of AH Datalytics, told NPR in February.


Users on X appended a Community Note to Mace’s post correcting her claim and citing the FBI statistics on Saturday, but by Sunday, the note had disappeared, journalist Aaron Rupar noted. X owner Elon Musk has previously said that he wants X to be the “most accurate source of information on Earth, without regard to political affiliation.”

Mace received a Community Note on X last week when she claimed she voted to appropriate more than $500 million in federal funding to her district. Users corrected her by pointing out that Mace “voted against the appropriations bill which authorized the funding she is seeking credit for.”

The congresswoman responded to the note, writing, “The @CommunityNotes – y’all are so dumb. Go look up the NDAA, WRDA and PACT Act, all of which I voted for.” But yet another Community Note pointed out that the “bills mentioned are authorization bills, not appropriations bills, and thus do not fund the activities authorized.

By falsely claiming crime is increasing, Mace is likely trying to capitalize on Americans’ inaccurate perceptions. Despite recent declines in crime rates, a December Gallup poll found that 77 percent of Americans think that crime rates are going up
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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He cannot be elected.

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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:24 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:17 am

It matters little if it’s an outlier. Outliers are used by both sides to make and counter points. Few are interested in facts, even/especially if they are solid but run contrary to your side’s narrative.

See economics and how automatically dismissive you are here for example.
To wit and shocking I know that Mace has played loose with the facts before.

Even IF Rattner’s (who I can’t stand BtW) numbers are off or outliers there’s a serious gap between the 77% who believe crime has risen and whatever the more accurate non-“outlier” happens to be.

Propaganda… It’s effective.
But data from the FBI shows that crime decreased significantly in 2023, including a 13 percent decline in murder, a 6 percent decline in reported violent crime and a 4 percent decrease in reported property crime. “At some point in 2022 — at the end of 2022 or through 2023 — there was just a tipping point where violence started to fall and it just continued to fall,” Jeff Asher, a crime analyst and co-founder of AH Datalytics, told NPR in February.


Users on X appended a Community Note to Mace’s post correcting her claim and citing the FBI statistics on Saturday, but by Sunday, the note had disappeared, journalist Aaron Rupar noted. X owner Elon Musk has previously said that he wants X to be the “most accurate source of information on Earth, without regard to political affiliation.”

Mace received a Community Note on X last week when she claimed she voted to appropriate more than $500 million in federal funding to her district. Users corrected her by pointing out that Mace “voted against the appropriations bill which authorized the funding she is seeking credit for.”

The congresswoman responded to the note, writing, “The @CommunityNotes – y’all are so dumb. Go look up the NDAA, WRDA and PACT Act, all of which I voted for.” But yet another Community Note pointed out that the “bills mentioned are authorization bills, not appropriations bills, and thus do not fund the activities authorized.

By falsely claiming crime is increasing, Mace is likely trying to capitalize on Americans’ inaccurate perceptions. Despite recent declines in crime rates, a December Gallup poll found that 77 percent of Americans think that crime rates are going up
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 97030/amp/
His numbers are fine, and technically he is correct. My point is that he chooses 2020. A year in which we had lockdowns and BLM went nuts. Hell, CHAZ had something like 5 or 6 deaths and they were supposed to be against that. :lol: It's very similar to Biden claiming he added jobs when it was simply COVID losses get added back to employment.

And, it is propaganda. And it works because people don't know or care how to investigate a claim. Cell phones don't help with all the videos.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:39 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:09 pm

Oh. I used supporters. You inserted community.

And I didn’t pose it as a question. It’s a safe assumption.
I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
They don’t even bother calling the police for people inside a store robbing the place blind….. no police report filed

But crime is down …. 😂
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:52 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:39 am

I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
They don’t even bother calling the police for people inside a store robbing the place blind….. no police report filed

But crime is down …. 😂
At least anecdotal evidence is up! :)
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:49 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:52 am

They don’t even bother calling the police for people inside a store robbing the place blind….. no police report filed

But crime is down …. 😂
At least anecdotal evidence is up! :)
Multiple Stores closing is not anecdotal
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Re: Trump vs. Biden Part 2

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:09 am
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:49 am

At least anecdotal evidence is up! :)
Multiple Stores closing is not anecdotal
...stores close all the time. Sometimes entire chains. :coffee:
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:52 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:39 am
I wonder what happened in 2020? Hmmm. I just can't put my finger on what made people upset and why police quit policing so hard. If only a person could figure that out. Suppose we'll never know.

Your guy used an outlier to make his point. Shameless. You can find articles all over the Internet on what caused the spike.

But you are right. Nobody will see those stats, especially if you break them down by race. Those stats are never allowed to be seen or used, unless it's the Morning Joe data guy using an outlier to "burn" Nancy Mace.
They don’t even bother calling the police for people inside a store robbing the place blind….. no police report filed

But crime is down …. 😂
Is that biden's fault or the fault of soros DAs?

If you're going to blame biden for things that happen during the course of his Presidency then it is fair to to do the same for trump. Using that logic, trump is to blame for COVID, the AnTiFa/BLM riots, and the resulting impact on jobs and the economy.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:42 am He cannot be elected.

:lol: The left has literally lost their fooking minds over Trump. :rofl: All the donks have to run on is ‘Trump is Hitler’. and the ‘End of Democracy’..
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:11 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:42 am He cannot be elected.

:lol: The left has literally lost their fooking minds over Trump. :rofl: All the donks have to run on is ‘Trump is Hitler’. and the ‘End of Democracy’..
So you think he’s bluffing? That Heritage plan won’t be his blueprint? That he’ll appoint rational non-biased judges? That the likes of Michael Flynn and Kash Patel won’t be involved in his government?
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:30 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:52 am

They don’t even bother calling the police for people inside a store robbing the place blind….. no police report filed

But crime is down …. 😂
Is that biden's fault or the fault of soros DAs?

If you're going to blame biden for things that happen during the course of his Presidency then it is fair to to do the same for trump. Using that logic, trump is to blame for COVID, the AnTiFa/BLM riots, and the resulting impact on jobs and the economy.
I didn’t mention Biden … but now that you did it’s obvious he doesn’t care
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:30 pm
The level of right mowing disinformation and ignorance never disappoints. :lol:

Trans day started in 2009 and continued during Trump’s administration. It’s March 31st. Kind of like Christmas, or Halloween, or 4th of July. Easter changes dates. Next year, Easter falls on 4/20. Burn one down in the name of Jesus!
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:51 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:11 pm
:lol: The left has literally lost their fooking minds over Trump. :rofl: All the donks have to run on is ‘Trump is Hitler’. and the ‘End of Democracy’..
So you think he’s bluffing? That Heritage plan won’t be his blueprint? That he’ll appoint rational non-biased judges? That the likes of Michael Flynn and Kash Patel won’t be involved in his government?
Yes, attempting to drain the swamp will be his blueprint. I mean the Heritage Plan talks about getting rid of 50k fed employees, less than 2% of the close to 3 million fed employees. OMG the fed govt won’t be able to function if it loses 2% of its employees!

Just as rational and non biased as Engoron, Chutkin, etc..

Yes and good.

That doesn’t mean ‘Trump is Hitler’ and the ‘End of Democracy’..
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:50 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:51 pm

So you think he’s bluffing? That Heritage plan won’t be his blueprint? That he’ll appoint rational non-biased judges? That the likes of Michael Flynn and Kash Patel won’t be involved in his government?
Yes, attempting to drain the swamp will be his blueprint. I mean the Heritage Plan talks about getting rid of 50k fed employees, less than 2% of the close to 3 million fed employees. OMG the fed govt won’t be able to function if it loses 2% of its employees!

Just as rational and non biased as Engoron, Chutkin, etc..

Yes and good.

That doesn’t mean ‘Trump is Hitler’ and the ‘End of Democracy’..
Hitler is an easy if not lazy comparison. The world has changed over the last 100 years and this is not post war Germany.

But the fascistic/cult of personality tendencies are clearly there. It’s not arguable. He rules out of intimidation and fear. He’s not liked…only followed because he owns the libs and hates the same marginalized groups. Simply cutting 50,000 federal employees gains us what?
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:55 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:50 pm
Yes, attempting to drain the swamp will be his blueprint. I mean the Heritage Plan talks about getting rid of 50k fed employees, less than 2% of the close to 3 million fed employees. OMG the fed govt won’t be able to function if it loses 2% of its employees!

Just as rational and non biased as Engoron, Chutkin, etc..

Yes and good.

That doesn’t mean ‘Trump is Hitler’ and the ‘End of Democracy ’..
Hitler is an easy if not lazy comparison. The world has changed over the last 100 years and this is not post war Germany.

But the fascistic/cult of personality tendencies are clearly there. It’s not arguable. He rules out of intimidation and fear. He’s not liked…only followed because he owns the libs and hates the same marginalized groups. Simply cutting 50,000 federal employees gains us what?
No, Hitler is an extremely :dunce: comparison
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:13 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:55 am

Hitler is an easy if not lazy comparison. The world has changed over the last 100 years and this is not post war Germany.

But the fascistic/cult of personality tendencies are clearly there. It’s not arguable. He rules out of intimidation and fear. He’s not liked…only followed because he owns the libs and hates the same marginalized groups. Simply cutting 50,000 federal employees gains us what?
No, Hitler is an extremely :dunce: comparison
I’m sorry you have so little appreciation of history, psychology, and philosophy.
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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:14 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:13 am
No, Hitler is an extremely :dunce: comparison
I’m sorry you have so little appreciation of history, psychology, and philosophy.
I have enough to know that anyone who tries to make a Trump/Hitler comparison is extremely :dunce: in regards to history.. :nod:
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