Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:54 pmYou're leaving out the context of why Poland was upset with Ukraine. russian blockades have prevented Ukraine from exporting grain (they're the breadbasket of Europe) so it was being shipped overland through Poland, Hungary, etc. and the European Commission temporarily eliminated all duties and quotas on Ukraine's exports. Polish farmers protested because they were worried about being undercut by low price Ukrainian grain.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:27 pm Poland just said "nyet!" to Ukraine. We'll see if that means they will quit letting Poland be used as a staging area.
Remove the russian blockade, remove the problem. Ukraine is taking steps doing that by reducing russian naval capacity.
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This is your the vaccine will prevent the spread moment. If Poland ever provides arms to Ukraine again you will be wrong.SeattleGriz wrote:Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:54 pm You're leaving out the context of why Poland was upset with Ukraine. russian blockades have prevented Ukraine from exporting grain (they're the breadbasket of Europe) so it was being shipped overland through Poland, Hungary, etc. and the European Commission temporarily eliminated all duties and quotas on Ukraine's exports. Polish farmers protested because they were worried about being undercut by low price Ukrainian grain.
Remove the russian blockade, remove the problem. Ukraine is taking steps doing that by reducing russian naval capacity.

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SeattleGriz wrote:Thank you.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:18 pm I didn't say I knew more than him. I question his integrity not his knowledge. I think he intentionally presents information (and misinformation) to mislead gullible people who want to believe a certain narrative. It gets him publicity and helps sell his books.
I can find fringe sources to support alternative points of view as well ...
How Accurate is Jacques Baud’s Analysis of the War in Ukraine?
You need a new source of information.
You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.
You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.
You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.
You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.

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Baud presented a timeline. Your rebuttal guy, who you stand behind, agreed those events happened, just in a different manner. They still happened. You back your rebuttal guy, you agree those events happened. Suddenly your Ukraine story is much different.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:14 pmSeattleGriz wrote:
Thank you.
You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.
You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.
You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.
You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.now you’re pulling shit out of your ass.
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The disagreements were mostly numbers, not even disputing events never happened.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:12 pmThis is your the vaccine will prevent the spread moment. If Poland ever provides arms to Ukraine again you will be wrong.SeattleGriz wrote:
Can't see the forest through the trees. Poland will no longer arm Ukraine. Not sure if they will also stop allowing staging in their country.
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Wow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pmThank you.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:18 pm
I didn't say I knew more than him. I question his integrity not his knowledge. I think he intentionally presents information (and misinformation) to mislead gullible people who want to believe a certain narrative. It gets him publicity and helps sell his books.
I can find fringe sources to support alternative points of view as well ...
How Accurate is Jacques Baud’s Analysis of the War in Ukraine?
You need a new source of information.
You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.
You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.
You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.
You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.

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He's had a couple of pitchers of kool-aid.GannonFan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 amWow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pm
Thank you.
You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.
You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.
You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.
You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.![]()
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No. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.GannonFan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:14 amWow, if that's what you read from that you're the king of cognitive dissonance. Yikes, you might have to see a mental health professional if you're really that far gone.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:54 pm
Thank you.
You now agree there were paramilitary militia on the Donbass border. What is in dispute is quantity, and if they were really Nazis.
You also now agree there was an increase in fire along the Donbass front before Russia invaded. What is in dispute is who fired how much.
You also now agree that Russia "technically" walked through the process to make this all stand up in a court of law.
You agree with Baud, just differ on flavor.![]()
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I used that article because it thoroughly discredited Baud. They said he was a modern day Walter Duranty, Stalin apologist.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:43 amNo. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.
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No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:25 amI used that article because it thoroughly discredited Baud. They said he was a modern day Walter Duranty, Stalin apologist.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:43 am
No. If you use a person as your source because you agree with them, you support their statements. None of those actions were disputed. It was a question of how much. The author agreed they happened.
You've painted yourself into a corner.
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FYP.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pmNo. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.
I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
Ganny said it earlier ...
Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.
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The mating call of the loser.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:59 pmFYP.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pm
No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.
I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
Ganny said it earlier ...Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.
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But you are the MAGA echo chamberUNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:59 pmFYP.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:38 pm
No. Your champion in no way, shape or form changed the timeline of events. All those events happened just not in the way that Baud said they did.
I've painted myself into a corner and I'm trying to turn it around on you.
Ganny said it earlier ...Put down the koolaid and go cold turkey. No MAGAt yahoo echo chambers for at least 6 weeks.u
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It was glorious watching 88 use a source that confirmed what I said.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:05 pmBut you are the MAGA echo chamber
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What air defense doing?


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Your rectum must be yuge to hold all of that shit you pull out of your ass.SeattleGriz wrote:It was glorious watching 88 use a source that confirmed what I said.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:05 pm But you are the MAGA echo chamber
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Maybe they should ask the Black Sea commander?
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the CarribeanCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:07 amI’m glad you agree with what I said Capt Obvious
A whitey Starbucks soy drinker like you portray yourself as, probably doesn’t know the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican anyway
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That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:49 pmthe CarribeanCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:07 am
I’m glad you agree with what I said Capt Obvious
A whitey Starbucks soy drinker like you portray yourself as, probably doesn’t know the difference between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican anyway
Why?
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That is just as true for people on the political right.Caribbean Hen wrote:That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
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No more than those on the rightCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:19 amThat people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

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Houndy getting bludgeoned, so he results to the, "I'm rubber, your glue, what you say ...".houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:28 pmNo more than those on the rightCaribbean Hen wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:19 am
That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.![]()

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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:01 amHoundy getting bludgeoned, so he results to the, "I'm rubber, your glue, what you say ...".![]()

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