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Re: 2020 General Election

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GannonFan wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:11 am

That's all good and all but the question was: if he evades impeachment will that mean he had nothing to do with it in your book? Its a simple question.
Your reading comprehension must be severely lacking. Read my post again, it's not really that hard to understand. Simple even. :coffee:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:13 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:34 am
Ganny has acknowledged that repeatedly ...

It's the pearl-clutching over how close the republic was to being toppled that reasonable people find humorous.
Yet you yourself have used the term “insurrection” here. Can’t have it both ways.
Have I? I know I've used the word sedition, maybe I've used insurrection too. An inept insurrection is still an insurrection and should be investigated regardless of whether it justified the pearl-clutching about the end of the republic.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:21 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:13 pm

Yet you yourself have used the term “insurrection” here. Can’t have it both ways.
Have I? I know I've used the word sedition, maybe I've used insurrection too. An inept insurrection is still an insurrection and should be investigated regardless of whether it justified the pearl-clutching about the end of the republic.
Is there such a thing as a spontaneous “insurrection”? Performed by unarmed housewives and truckers?

I mean, Benghazi was a “spontaneous riot”, amirite? So I guess anything is possible.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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This just in.

Trump still lost.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:20 am This just in.

Trump still lost.
:rofl:

Bill Barr throwing Trump under the bus with gusto!
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm


Well, one thing is for sure - those arrested won't be charged by a county DA, but by a US Attorney. I'm not sure what storming the capitol and preventing the Senate from performing their Consitutionally obligated duty should be charged with. But, sedition isn't too far off. Certainly closer than the Zoom call y'all were calling sedition not long ago.
Sedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment. :ohno:
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Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, and another leader of the right-wing group, were found guilty on Tuesday of seditious conspiracy for the attack on the U.S. Capitol by Donald Trump supporters, an important win for the Justice Department.

The verdicts against Rhodes and four co-defendants, after three days of deliberations by the 12-member jury, came in the highest-profile trial so far to emerge from the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol, a failed bid to overturn then-President Trump's 2020 election defeat.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:34 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:21 am It doesn't have to be likely to result in the toppling of the US government for it to be sedition.

by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States,
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

They did plan to prevent, hinder, and delay the certification of the electoral votes by force. They were successful in hindering and delaying the certification. That they were unsuccessful at preventing the certification doesn't really matter. That it didn't result in the toppling of the US government also doesn't matter.
Ganny has acknowledged that repeatedly ...
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:06 am Did people engage in seditious conduct? Absolutely.

It's the pearl-clutching over how close the republic was to being toppled that reasonable people find humorous.
You're missing the cream of the jest - the crowd for whom making mountains out of molehills is SOP just got hoist by their own petard. Make em play defense for a while :lol:
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:08 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Sedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment. :ohno:
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Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, and another leader of the right-wing group, were found guilty on Tuesday of seditious conspiracy for the attack on the U.S. Capitol by Donald Trump supporters, an important win for the Justice Department.

The verdicts against Rhodes and four co-defendants, after three days of deliberations by the 12-member jury, came in the highest-profile trial so far to emerge from the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol, a failed bid to overturn then-President Trump's 2020 election defeat.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-jury-r ... reddit.com

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houndawg wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:42 pm
BannonFan? Where yat bro? :rofl:
I feel bad for Reek. Makes a pathetic attempt to try and win an argument by digging up a post that's almost 23 months old. Completely skips over the reality that Ganny posted that on the day of the riot when no one knew that there had been any advanced planning which is an critical element when considering the context of Ganny's argument.
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Kind of incredible that I came here intending to look for the 2020 election thread then found it right at the top.

Anyway, the reason I wanted it was to post something about that 2000 mules movie. A little dated at about a month old but here it is:

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgi ... es-lawsuit

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The widely debunked film includes surveillance video showing Mark Andrews, his face blurred, depositing five ballots in a dropbox in downtown Lawrenceville, a suburb northeast of Atlanta. A voiceover by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza says: "What you are seeing is a crime. These are fraudulent votes."

In fact, a state investigation found, Andrews was dropping off ballots for himself, his wife and their three adult children, who all live at the same address. That is legal in Georgia and a state investigator said there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Andrews.
I had actually heard the audio of D'Souza saying that in that scene before. Just a reminder of how dishonest this crap is. There is a large number of people out there who look at that 2,000 mules movie and think it is legit. And here it is showing someone engaged in a completely legal act while telling the audience that it's illegal.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:42 pm

BannonFan? Where yat bro? :rofl:
I feel bad for Reek. Makes a pathetic attempt to try and win an argument by digging up a post that's almost 23 months old. Completely skips over the reality that Ganny posted that on the day of the riot when no one knew that there had been any advanced planning which is an critical element when considering the context of Ganny's argument.
So Ganny speculated incorrectly?
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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:04 pm Kind of incredible that I came here intending to look for the 2020 election thread then found it right at the top.

Anyway, the reason I wanted it was to post something about that 2000 mules movie. A little dated at about a month old but here it is:

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgi ... es-lawsuit

Here is a quote that struck me:
The widely debunked film includes surveillance video showing Mark Andrews, his face blurred, depositing five ballots in a dropbox in downtown Lawrenceville, a suburb northeast of Atlanta. A voiceover by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza says: "What you are seeing is a crime. These are fraudulent votes."

In fact, a state investigation found, Andrews was dropping off ballots for himself, his wife and their three adult children, who all live at the same address. That is legal in Georgia and a state investigator said there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Andrews.
I had actually heard the audio of D'Souza saying that in that scene before. Just a reminder of how dishonest this crap is. There is a large number of people out there who look at that 2,000 mules movie and think it is legit. And here it is showing someone engaged in a completely legal act while telling the audience that it's illegal.
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kalm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:05 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I feel bad for Reek. Makes a pathetic attempt to try and win an argument by digging up a post that's almost 23 months old. Completely skips over the reality that Ganny posted that on the day of the riot when no one knew that there had been any advanced planning which is an critical element when considering the context of Ganny's argument.
So Ganny speculated incorrectly?
Yes. It doesn't happen for him nearly as often as it does for you and he admits it unlike someone who just quadruples down on their erroneous speculations (trump is a fascist, alleged swing to the right, cough, cough). :kisswink:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:29 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:05 pm

So Ganny speculated incorrectly?
Yes. It doesn't happen for him nearly as often as it does for you and he admits it unlike someone who just quadruples down on their erroneous speculations (trump is a fascist, alleged swing to the right, cough, cough). :kisswink:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:42 pm

BannonFan? Where yat bro? :rofl:
I feel bad for Reek. Makes a pathetic attempt to try and win an argument by digging up a post that's almost 23 months old. Completely skips over the reality that Ganny posted that on the day of the riot when no one knew that there had been any advanced planning which is an critical element when considering the context of Ganny's argument.
Thanks, I didn't even remember that post, nor that I made it on the same day as the riot (and while some folks were still probably hanging out in the Capitol). But hey, give Skelly his due, he's allowed to be happy once in awhile. For someone who swung so wildly and so incorrectly about Russian collusion that we still sticky that thread in his honor, it's the little victories now. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:28 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm

I feel bad for Reek. Makes a pathetic attempt to try and win an argument by digging up a post that's almost 23 months old. Completely skips over the reality that Ganny posted that on the day of the riot when no one knew that there had been any advanced planning which is an critical element when considering the context of Ganny's argument.
Thanks, I didn't even remember that post, nor that I made it on the same day as the riot (and while some folks were still probably hanging out in the Capitol). But hey, give Skelly his due, he's allowed to be happy once in awhile. For someone who swung so wildly and so incorrectly about Russian collusion that we still sticky that thread in his honor, it's the little victories now. :coffee:
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