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Re: 2024 Primary

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houndawg wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:20 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:16 pm

Which is it? All history has political bias or all history does not have political bias?

I've support teaching about racism and slavery, they are critical elements in the history of the US. I'm against teaching that slavery and racism are the foundation upon which the US was built. The problem with the way that CRT (and the 1619 Project) is taught is that it can be taken too far by politically biased people trying to push an agenda and indoctrinate students in what to think rather than trying to teach history and how to think.
....maybe not the foundation but it was certainly one of the main support columns, important enough that the bloodiest war in our history was fought over its existence and future as part of the nation.
This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:20 pm

....maybe not the foundation but it was certainly one of the main support columns, important enough that the bloodiest war in our history was fought over its existence and future as part of the nation.
This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
It's been a valid criticism of the 1619 project since it came out - why was America formed in the first place? They like to argue that it was slavery, but that was one of the more egregious errors (and one they had to actually correct) in that exercise. Slavery obviously existed, but we didn't fight the American Revolution for slavery. Obviously the Civil Was was different, but the Revolution did not have slavery as a cause.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:20 pm

....maybe not the foundation but it was certainly one of the main support columns, important enough that the bloodiest war in our history was fought over its existence and future as part of the nation.
This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
That’s a great question. On the one hand you have all “men are created equal” while on the other…”but not those guys”.

I’d have to brush up on it but weren’t the founders heavily influenced by enlightenment thinkers?
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kalm wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:42 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm

This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
That’s a great question. On the one hand you have all “men are created equal” while on the other…”but not those guys”.

I’d have to brush up on it but weren’t the founders heavily influenced by enlightenment thinkers?
And definitely not those women.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:20 pm

....maybe not the foundation but it was certainly one of the main support columns, important enough that the bloodiest war in our history was fought over its existence and future as part of the nation.
This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:20 pm

....maybe not the foundation but it was certainly one of the main support columns, important enough that the bloodiest war in our history was fought over its existence and future as part of the nation.
This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
The whole country - you forgot to include wage slavery.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:23 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm

This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
It's been a valid criticism of the 1619 project since it came out - why was America formed in the first place? They like to argue that it was slavery, but that was one of the more egregious errors (and one they had to actually correct) in that exercise. Slavery obviously existed, but we didn't fight the American Revolution for slavery. Obviously the Civil Was was different, but the Revolution did not have slavery as a cause.
You can quibble about strict definitions, and when you do I'll humbly accept your tap out, but: Taxation Without Representaion :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
The whole country - you forgot to include wage slavery.
You're a broken record bitching about "the man".

Not getting paid enough, find another job. Not qualified for another job? Get training. Still not working out? Look for opportunities in another part of the country. Still not making enough? Start your own company.

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houndawg wrote:
GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:23 pm It's been a valid criticism of the 1619 project since it came out - why was America formed in the first place? They like to argue that it was slavery, but that was one of the more egregious errors (and one they had to actually correct) in that exercise. Slavery obviously existed, but we didn't fight the American Revolution for slavery. Obviously the Civil Was was different, but the Revolution did not have slavery as a cause.
You can quibble about strict definitions, and when you do I'll humbly accept your tap out, but: Taxation Without Representaion :coffee:
Thanks for proving my point on self-determination.

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So Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes?

Not a fascist at all. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:37 pm So Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes?

Not a fascist at all. :lol:
Where did Bernie go for his honeymoon? :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:48 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:37 pm So Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes?

Not a fascist at all. :lol:
Where did Bernie go for his honeymoon? :coffee:
Bernie knows Nick Fuentes too? :?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:36 am
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The whole country - you forgot to include wage slavery.
You're a broken record bitching about "the man".

Not getting paid enough, find another job. Not qualified for another job? Get training. Still not working out? Look for opportunities in another part of the country. Still not making enough? Start your own company.

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Wage slavery was a fact. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:48 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:37 pm So Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes?

Not a fascist at all. :lol:
Where did Bernie go for his honeymoon? :coffee:
Russia…in 1988…as part of a sister city program. Did he join the Wagner Group while he was there or something?
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:23 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:47 pm

This brings up the question of what were the "support columns" behind the founding and development of the US?

I would argue that free trade and self-determination were more important and I would guess that there are others. Slavery was a significant factor for half the country, there were other factors that had a greater impact on the entire country.
It's been a valid criticism of the 1619 project since it came out - why was America formed in the first place? They like to argue that it was slavery, but that was one of the more egregious errors (and one they had to actually correct) in that exercise. Slavery obviously existed, but we didn't fight the American Revolution for slavery. Obviously the Civil Was was different, but the Revolution did not have slavery as a cause.
We fought the American Revolution for freedom.
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:48 pm Where did Bernie go for his honeymoon? :coffee:
Russia…in 1988…as part of a sister city program. Did he join the Wagner Group while he was there or something?
If having dinner with Fuentes makes someone a fascist then honeymooning in the USSR surely makes someone a Marxist.


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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:02 pm
kalm wrote:
Russia…in 1988…as part of a sister city program. Did he join the Wagner Group while he was there or something?
If having dinner with Fuentes makes someone a fascist then honeymooning in the USSR surely makes someone a Marxist.


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It wasn’t a honeymoon Mr. Hannity. But along those lines I’m sure you’ll agree that Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc returned as Marxists after their political trips to Moscow?

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kalm wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:30 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:02 pm
If having dinner with Fuentes makes someone a fascist then honeymooning in the USSR surely makes someone a Marxist.
It wasn’t a honeymoon Mr. Hannity. But along those lines I’m sure you’ll agree that Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc returned as Marxists after their political trips to Moscow?

:)
Did Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc take trips to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Your logic on the Fuentes lunch making trump a fascist is weaker than the logic of Bernie's trip to the USSR making him a Marxist but you're going to double down and keep insisting you're correct. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:30 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:02 pm
If having dinner with Fuentes makes someone a fascist then honeymooning in the USSR surely makes someone a Marxist.


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It wasn’t a honeymoon Mr. Hannity. But along those lines I’m sure you’ll agree that Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc returned as Marxists after their political trips to Moscow?

:)
False flags every one of them. No surprise Rand Paul turned commie, always thought he spewed the Ayn Rand drivel as a cover
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:02 am
kalm wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:30 am

It wasn’t a honeymoon Mr. Hannity. But along those lines I’m sure you’ll agree that Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc returned as Marxists after their political trips to Moscow?

:)
Did Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc take trips to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Your logic on the Fuentes lunch making trump a fascist is weaker than the logic of Bernie's trip to the USSR making him a Marxist but you're going to double down and keep insisting you're correct. :coffee:
It’s one more small example. But hey…defend it as you will. :)
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:02 am Did Ron Johnson, Richard Shelby, Rand Paul, etc take trips to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Your logic on the Fuentes lunch making trump a fascist is weaker than the logic of Bernie's trip to the USSR making him a Marxist but you're going to double down and keep insisting you're correct. :coffee:
It’s one more small example. But hey…defend it as you will. :)
No different than you asking for proof that Bernie’s a Marxist. Why do you defend Marxists?

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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:21 am
kalm wrote:
It’s one more small example. But hey…defend it as you will. :)
No different than you asking for proof that Bernie’s a Marxist. Why do you defend Marxists?

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He helps swing our economics back to the middle from the neoliberalism of the past decades.

Without all the nationalistic, authoritarian, racist, and overturning elections stuff.

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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:21 am

No different than you asking for proof that Bernie’s a Marxist. Why do you defend Marxists?

El donce is a wannabe tinpot dictator.


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trump helped swing our economics back to the middle from the neoprogressivism of the past decades.

Without all the illiberal, big government will control life and “solve” all problems, socialism stuff.

Future conversation:

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“No, I used to think that because I drank the pearl clutching, sky is falling pseudo progressive koolaid. I’ve been deprogrammed and am almost rational now.”
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Newsom claims he won't oppose Biden in 2024.

He better not. A governor who was the subject of a recall election because he's corrupt has no business running for President.

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kalm wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:37 pm So Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes?

Not a fascist at all. :lol:
Yep just like it makes Brandon a glorified member of the KKK since he idolized and eulogized one of their grand wizards.
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