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LeadBolt wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:30 am I find that the people spouting off most about “following the science” are a). Very selective about which science to follow and which to ignore and b). Don’t seem to differentiate between proven science and postulated theories without proof that conform to their fear and loathing of individual freedoms and responsibilities.


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Yes, both sides have proven that they'll follow the science that already agrees with whatever political position they have, and they'll ignore the science that contradicts those positions.
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CID1990 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 am
GannonFan wrote:Just got my second vaccination shot so I'm all in the clear now. I'm in pretty good health, not obese, and still under 50, so COVID was never a likely harbinger of death for me, but still good to get the vaccine and erase all doubt and make it less likely to pass it on to another. Looking forward to the summer and the end of the vast majority of restrictions.
Good luck with that

My entire shop is vaccinated (and has been since Jan) and yet we still are wearing masks and there are whispers that mask wearing could become a continual requirement in Fed offices

We gave Joe Biden, fully vaccinated, going outdoors with nobody around him... wearing a mask in spite of actual science that says he doesn’t need to

We will be seeing these political, anti-scientific fear porn performances well into the future


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Eh, I think public opinion may ultimately win out on that and the posturing and virtue-signaling may not have enough behind it to be sustainable. Already today PA, NJ, and DE basically said by the end of the month all COVID restrictions, other than mask wearing indoors, will be over. That means 100% capacity at stores and restaurants and so on. I think they'll try to hold on to mask wearing as long as possible but it's becoming untenable given the science. Heck, Biden's saying he wants to hit 70% first dose by July 4th - I would assume them he can claim herd immunity or such. But mathematically, we might already be at herd immunity now given current vaccination levels, the number of people with known COVID, and given the number of people that likely have had COVID and never knew they had it (which could be an order of magnitude, or more, compared to known cases). I think Biden putting forth that date of July 4th is trying to put the line out as far as he can reasonably put it without having it just be scoffed at. We'll see where this all lands, but I think there's a groundswell coming that will eschew further restrictions this deep into the vaccination effort.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:53 pm
CID1990 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 am
Good luck with that

My entire shop is vaccinated (and has been since Jan) and yet we still are wearing masks and there are whispers that mask wearing could become a continual requirement in Fed offices

We gave Joe Biden, fully vaccinated, going outdoors with nobody around him... wearing a mask in spite of actual science that says he doesn’t need to

We will be seeing these political, anti-scientific fear porn performances well into the future


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Eh, I think public opinion may ultimately win out on that and the posturing and virtue-signaling may not have enough behind it to be sustainable. Already today PA, NJ, and DE basically said by the end of the month all COVID restrictions, other than mask wearing indoors, will be over. That means 100% capacity at stores and restaurants and so on. I think they'll try to hold on to mask wearing as long as possible but it's becoming untenable given the science. Heck, Biden's saying he wants to hit 70% first dose by July 4th - I would assume them he can claim herd immunity or such. But mathematically, we might already be at herd immunity now given current vaccination levels, the number of people with known COVID, and given the number of people that likely have had COVID and never knew they had it (which could be an order of magnitude, or more, compared to known cases). I think Biden putting forth that date of July 4th is trying to put the line out as far as he can reasonably put it without having it just be scoffed at. We'll see where this all lands, but I think there's a groundswell coming that will eschew further restrictions this deep into the vaccination effort.
The line has already been put to mid Sept. Fed govt last week already said mask wearing at all transportation (airports, planes, trains, busses) till 9/13...
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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:38 pm
If I had kids in school I would be raising holy HELL if they weren’t being taught in person.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:53 pm
CID1990 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 am
Good luck with that

My entire shop is vaccinated (and has been since Jan) and yet we still are wearing masks and there are whispers that mask wearing could become a continual requirement in Fed offices

We gave Joe Biden, fully vaccinated, going outdoors with nobody around him... wearing a mask in spite of actual science that says he doesn’t need to

We will be seeing these political, anti-scientific fear porn performances well into the future


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Eh, I think public opinion may ultimately win out on that and the posturing and virtue-signaling may not have enough behind it to be sustainable. Already today PA, NJ, and DE basically said by the end of the month all COVID restrictions, other than mask wearing indoors, will be over. That means 100% capacity at stores and restaurants and so on. I think they'll try to hold on to mask wearing as long as possible but it's becoming untenable given the science. Heck, Biden's saying he wants to hit 70% first dose by July 4th - I would assume them he can claim herd immunity or such. But mathematically, we might already be at herd immunity now given current vaccination levels, the number of people with known COVID, and given the number of people that likely have had COVID and never knew they had it (which could be an order of magnitude, or more, compared to known cases). I think Biden putting forth that date of July 4th is trying to put the line out as far as he can reasonably put it without having it just be scoffed at. We'll see where this all lands, but I think there's a groundswell coming that will eschew further restrictions this deep into the vaccination effort.
The science is “becoming” untenable? It has ALWAYS been untenable.....
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GannonFan wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:53 pm
CID1990 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 am
Good luck with that

My entire shop is vaccinated (and has been since Jan) and yet we still are wearing masks and there are whispers that mask wearing could become a continual requirement in Fed offices

We gave Joe Biden, fully vaccinated, going outdoors with nobody around him... wearing a mask in spite of actual science that says he doesn’t need to

We will be seeing these political, anti-scientific fear porn performances well into the future


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Eh, I think public opinion may ultimately win out on that and the posturing and virtue-signaling may not have enough behind it to be sustainable. Already today PA, NJ, and DE basically said by the end of the month all COVID restrictions, other than mask wearing indoors, will be over. That means 100% capacity at stores and restaurants and so on. I think they'll try to hold on to mask wearing as long as possible but it's becoming untenable given the science. Heck, Biden's saying he wants to hit 70% first dose by July 4th - I would assume them he can claim herd immunity or such. But mathematically, we might already be at herd immunity now given current vaccination levels, the number of people with known COVID, and given the number of people that likely have had COVID and never knew they had it (which could be an order of magnitude, or more, compared to known cases). I think Biden putting forth that date of July 4th is trying to put the line out as far as he can reasonably put it without having it just be scoffed at. We'll see where this all lands, but I think there's a groundswell coming that will eschew further restrictions this deep into the vaccination effort.
The science is “becoming” untenable? It has ALWAYS been untenable.....
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Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
Landlords were already screwed. They were never going to get back rent.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
AZ is right - landlords were already screwed. My buddy in NJ owns about 7 rentals and I know he's been stressing over this. I think he's looking for buyers right for a few of them. The other side of that equation was never a factor - someone owns that house that isn't collecting rent or is full of squatters. Now that person's life is in danger.

I'm not saying people hardest hit should've been hit harder but that moratorium was a win -lose situation. :twocents:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
Landlords were already screwed. They were never going to get back rent.

She a-howlin' about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent
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CID1990 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 am Good luck with that

My entire shop is vaccinated (and has been since Jan) and yet we still are wearing masks and there are whispers that mask wearing could become a continual requirement in Fed offices

We gave Joe Biden, fully vaccinated, going outdoors with nobody around him... wearing a mask in spite of actual science that says he doesn’t need to

We will be seeing these political, anti-scientific fear porn performances well into the future


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Eh, I think public opinion may ultimately win out on that and the posturing and virtue-signaling may not have enough behind it to be sustainable. Already today PA, NJ, and DE basically said by the end of the month all COVID restrictions, other than mask wearing indoors, will be over. That means 100% capacity at stores and restaurants and so on. I think they'll try to hold on to mask wearing as long as possible but it's becoming untenable given the science. Heck, Biden's saying he wants to hit 70% first dose by July 4th - I would assume them he can claim herd immunity or such. But mathematically, we might already be at herd immunity now given current vaccination levels, the number of people with known COVID, and given the number of people that likely have had COVID and never knew they had it (which could be an order of magnitude, or more, compared to known cases). I think Biden putting forth that date of July 4th is trying to put the line out as far as he can reasonably put it without having it just be scoffed at. We'll see where this all lands, but I think there's a groundswell coming that will eschew further restrictions this deep into the vaccination effort.
If Biden’s goal is “to keep from being scoffed at” he is much too late, Covid or no Covid.


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Ibanez wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 5:10 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am

Landlords were already screwed. They were never going to get back rent.

She a-howlin' about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
AZ is right - landlords were already screwed. My buddy in NJ owns about 7 rentals and I know he's been stressing over this. I think he's looking for buyers right for a few of them. The other side of that equation was never a factor - someone owns that house that isn't collecting rent or is full of squatters. Now that person's life is in danger.

I'm not saying people hardest hit should've been hit harder but that moratorium was a win -lose situation. :twocents:
The landlord class has never fared well in national crisis situations, anywhere in the world, ever


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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:16 am Fed judge overturns the nationawide eviction moratorium. Never should have been extended that long in the 1st place. After living rent free for a year, none of these people are going pay a yr’s worth. They’ll just keave, and lamdlords will be screwed..
The only thing wrong about the moratorium, really, was that the CDC was the government entity making that decision. It was way out of bounds for the CDC to unilaterally make that call. Something like that should've specifically been done by Congress (assuming they do anything anymore) or an Executive Action. I know the CDC was roundaboutly pulling it from a very general executive action, but something of that magnitude and impact should be done by elected officials, at the recommendation of folks at the CDC.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 3:11 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:38 pm
If I had kids in school I would be raising holy HELL if they weren’t being taught in person.
The wife and I were on the fence about going private school with the kido, it's a no brainer decision now. I thank the poor response by the public school system/teachers unions wrt to the China Virus. I feel for those parents who aren't fortunate enough to have private school as an option.
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CID1990 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 6:30 am
Ibanez wrote:
AZ is right - landlords were already screwed. My buddy in NJ owns about 7 rentals and I know he's been stressing over this. I think he's looking for buyers right for a few of them. The other side of that equation was never a factor - someone owns that house that isn't collecting rent or is full of squatters. Now that person's life is in danger.

I'm not saying people hardest hit should've been hit harder but that moratorium was a win -lose situation. :twocents:
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Hard to feel sorry for those landlords that went deep into debt buying up rentals in the hopes of having renters pay for their "investment". Those landlords that didn't take that approach have probably fared quite a bit better.
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SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:17 am
CID1990 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 6:30 am
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Hard to feel sorry for those landlords that went deep into debt buying up rentals in the hopes of having renters pay for their "investment". Those landlords that didn't take that approach have probably fared quite a bit better.
Isn't that basically how real estate investment in rental properties goes? Otherwise you need to be pretty well-off to do it without debt at the beginning. Maybe it's just a question of what "deep" means, but I thought most real estate investing is going to have some amount of upfront debt loading.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:17 am

Hard to feel sorry for those landlords that went deep into debt buying up rentals in the hopes of having renters pay for their "investment". Those landlords that didn't take that approach have probably fared quite a bit better.
Isn't that basically how real estate investment in rental properties goes? Otherwise you need to be pretty well-off to do it without debt at the beginning. Maybe it's just a question of what "deep" means, but I thought most real estate investing is going to have some amount of upfront debt loading.
How long would it take to save up for your first rental property after you pay off your primary house?

If people want to take the risk of going in debt for a rental property, more power to them. Just don't bitch about losing out when the economy hits the skids and you're stuck having to cover additional mortgages. :coffee:
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Interesting debate surrounding the issue of patent protection for the COVID vaccine as well as the manufacturing process to formulate it. The US changed tact yesterday and said they were willing to throw away the patent protection, but some in the EU, and notably Germany, come out today and call that decision rash and unlikely to actually accomplish the goal it's supposed to solve, that is getting more vaccines out there, especially to the poorer countries.

I'm with Germany on this, the issue isn't having enough factories churning out the vaccine, it's an issue of raw materials at this point - it's a supply chain issue, not a manufacturing capacity issue. And considering that it would likely take up to a year, if we said go now, to get the additional manufacturing capacity up and running, it does seem rash to throw away the patent protection when it's not going to result in actually getting more vaccines out there. At this point, it is a rich country versus poor country thing, and the rich countries, the US included, are going to make sure they have all the vaccines they need before they share. We can debate the morality of that all we want, but it's reality. And we're already seeing the need for vaccines in some of these rich countries decline as the remainder of the willing population to get the vaccine actually get their shots, so there should be a lot of vaccine starting to become available to the poorer countries very soon. I think Biden and his team made a political decision rather than a science/manufacturing one in this case, which has been something they seem to do a fair amount already. Very Trumpian of them, without the abrasive ego though. And orange hair.

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SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:40 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am

Isn't that basically how real estate investment in rental properties goes? Otherwise you need to be pretty well-off to do it without debt at the beginning. Maybe it's just a question of what "deep" means, but I thought most real estate investing is going to have some amount of upfront debt loading.
How long would it take to save up for your first rental property after you pay off your primary house?

If people want to take the risk of going in debt for a rental property, more power to them. Just don't bitch about losing out when the economy hits the skids and you're stuck having to cover additional mortgages. :coffee:
Hey, I get it, some people do go too far into debt. My only point was that what is "too far" is open to interpretation. In the '08 housing crisis there were certainly people that went crazy into debt and they had no ability to adapt when the market went bad for them. But there were also people with very reasonable mortgages that got screwed too. Same thing happening today, but I would argue even worse - who was really predicting a worldwide pandemic that would see a 12 month moratorium on rent collection? I don't think we've ever had that scenario before so kinda unfair to deride investors for not being prepared for that eventuality.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 am
SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:40 am

How long would it take to save up for your first rental property after you pay off your primary house?

If people want to take the risk of going in debt for a rental property, more power to them. Just don't bitch about losing out when the economy hits the skids and you're stuck having to cover additional mortgages. :coffee:
Hey, I get it, some people do go too far into debt. My only point was that what is "too far" is open to interpretation. In the '08 housing crisis there were certainly people that went crazy into debt and they had no ability to adapt when the market went bad for them. But there were also people with very reasonable mortgages that got screwed too. Same thing happening today, but I would argue even worse - who was really predicting a worldwide pandemic that would see a 12 month moratorium on rent collection? I don't think we've ever had that scenario before so kinda unfair to deride investors for not being prepared for that eventuality.
I don't feel bad for landlords in either situation. I do feel for those that have or will lose their only house because they couldn't make ends meet.
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SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:40 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am

Isn't that basically how real estate investment in rental properties goes? Otherwise you need to be pretty well-off to do it without debt at the beginning. Maybe it's just a question of what "deep" means, but I thought most real estate investing is going to have some amount of upfront debt loading.
How long would it take to save up for your first rental property after you pay off your primary house?

If people want to take the risk of going in debt for a rental property, more power to them. Just don't bitch about losing out when the economy hits the skids and you're stuck having to cover additional mortgages. :coffee:
True, but the govt shouldn’t be able to dictate that tentants can live rent free for up to a year+, with landlords not being able to evict
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kalm wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 6:03 am
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She a-howlin' about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 12:52 pm
SDHornet wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:40 am

How long would it take to save up for your first rental property after you pay off your primary house?

If people want to take the risk of going in debt for a rental property, more power to them. Just don't bitch about losing out when the economy hits the skids and you're stuck having to cover additional mortgages. :coffee:
True, but the govt shouldn’t be able to dictate that tentants can live rent free for up to a year+, with landlords not being able to evict
This was an area which I'm not sure if it was addressed, but it should've been, like the Paycheck Protection Program. If the government is going to interceded into a private, legal arrangement and in essence stop it, then government needs to compensate, to an extent, for the loss of business, or in this case rent. They'll never be made fully whole, and likely shouldn't, but there should be some recognition that the government basically seized profits from someone. It was for the greater good, but the greater good shouldn't necessarily crush someone in the process.
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