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I think you'd have to be extremely accurate about the hole dimension for a soft landing; stratospheric balloons at that altitude don't come down easy or they come down very easily, and not much in between. The air volume is about the size of a football stadium (maybe even bigger) and the pressuriza...

I mean you're definitely right. There's a mutual understanding that everyone is spying on everyone, so there's no real need to escalate things. See above post. And ok, you say don’t ahoot down an adversary’s spy aircraft (which is Chicom govt/military) that’s flying over our mitary installations at...

What's the point? The military is already tracking it 24/7, they likely have a good idea of its capabilities, and I bet they have the ability to jam the equipment (if they haven't already). There's also the possibility it lands in the US/Canada and we capture it. If it makes a run for China, we can...

So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites? Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on. I mean you're definitely right. There's a mut...

What the hell are they waiting for? Blow that Chicom ballon over Montana out the sky. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/suspected-chinese-spy-balloon-found-northern-us-rcna68879 Can we shoot down something 100,000 miles up? The DoD said it's currently at 60,000 feet, but it is mane...

What the hell are they waiting for? Blow that Chicom ballon over Montana out the sky. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/suspected-chinese-spy-balloon-found-northern-us-rcna68879 What's the point? The military is already tracking it 24/7, they likely have a good idea of its capabili...

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:29 pm

∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:26 pm

I thought it was reported as soon as the classified documents were found.

The two months is when the media/public learned about the situation, no?

How convenient.

So you're wrong.

And by the way, it was the mainstream journalists you hate so much which let the public know.

I agree. My issue with Trump's situation is that the guy was being asked for months to return the stuff, and he flat out said no (as a private citizen). At least Biden's team is self-reporting , but if it turns the removals were intentional and Biden knew, then pursue charges as well. edit: I visit...

I agree. My issue with Trump's situation is that the guy was being asked for months to return the stuff, and he flat out said no (as a private citizen). At least Biden's team is self-reporting, but if it turns the removals were intentional and Biden knew, then pursue charges as well. edit: I visite...

edit: I visited the west wing during Obama's last week. It legitimately looked like a normal person moving: boxes everywhere, cluttered hallways, etc. And yeah, obviously it wasn't Obama and Biden personally packing boxes. :lol: BTW, I took a menu from the White House that day. It was on some boxes...

I think with the latest news that more classified documents have been found - whether intentional or not - I'd be ok with President Biden facing impeachment. I know the Senate won't convict him, but we can't have former White House officials keep doing this. I'd also be ok if he is convicted by the...

I think with the latest news that more classified documents have been found - whether intentional or not - I'd be ok with President Biden facing impeachment. I know the Senate won't convict him, but we can't have former White House officials keep doing this. I'd also be ok if he is convicted by the ...

Lol what? Not only is intent important in criminal law, it's one of the basic foundations of our justice system. Just Google "intent in criminal law" and you'll get scholarly journals, pages from the Justice Department, legal opinions, college classes, etc. There's even a Wikipedia page d...

i figured someone would start a thread on this but this is obviously a completely different situation than the situation with the Trump thing. Most importantly, there is no evidence that Biden intentionally took the materials nor has Biden resisted returning the materials to the National Archives. ...

Just because you say he had every right to take them, it doesn't mean it's true. Reality eventually catches up (and did). If he had that right, a grand jury wouldn't give the FBI the go-ahead to raid his residence. Even a panel of fellow Americans said, "No, Donald Trump does not have the right...

So your argument is that he was going through the process as President, didn't finish in time, so he took home all the classified documents? That doesn't fly; next time start earlier. If he accidentally mishandled the information, I'll give him a pass. Sh*t happens, we've all moved before, and lost ...

and thereby proving he deliberately removed them before they were declared declassified. :coffee: https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1557799017592922112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1557799960757673986%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url= This isn't true. There is an actual ...

If CID, 93 or another government employee did something like what Biden did they would be fired and probably prosecuted. This isn't true, as I've seen it happen. It really depends on intent. At my last company, someone accidentally drove off with an entire construction set for a military installati...

Watching the house speaker vote is legitimately entertaining. What a shitsh*w.

Trump and the current GOP are fascists and I will gladly trot that out every time because it's worth defending against. Play this "middle" game all you want until people like BDK ban women's rights, LGBTQ people, books, ideas, religious freedoms; or attack the seat of government; or call f...

Evidence? There's been quite the paper trail published for Trump, between congressional committees, the Muller report, and the New York investigation. I've yet to see actual evidence for Biden's corruption besides conservatives shouting "bUt hUnTeR's LaPtoP." It helps Biden releases his t...

Speaking of corruption, let's not forget the prior President was impeached because he held hostage aid to Ukraine... ...and he along with his merry band of grifters have deep ties to Russian banks, businesses, and oligarchs. Our current President and his merry band of grifters have ties to Ukrainia...

Yeah, Ukraine is also about funneling vast sums of US taxpayer $$$ into a crooked, corrupt govt. Wonder how many Ukranian oligarchs are/will be getting filthy rich off US tax dollars.. Nearly every country try has corruption/oligarchs including ours. You do know Zallensky came into power on an anti...

I believe that's Kalm's point. Ukraine is about freedom; they asked for assistance to protect their existence as a nation and people. Iraq and Afghanistan were us meddling in two other nation's affairs, under the pretense of 9/11, so the m.i.c. can make $$$. Ukraine is a case of using our strength ...

Freedom and Liberty are pricey. Yes, ask Iraq and Afghanistan how they enjoy their freedom and liberty. I believe that's Kalm's point. Ukraine is about freedom; they asked for assistance to protect their existence as a nation and people. Iraq and Afghanistan were us meddling in two other nation's a...