How Long Will The Next Shutdown Last? (Feb 2019)

[BDKJMU]

Here are some facts on the wall according to the NY Times & DOHS:
-Trump supposedly has a goal of 1000 miles of the 1954 mile Southern border (1200+ of that is Texas with the Rio Grande)
-654 miles of barrier was already built when Trump entered office (much of which was inadequate).
-124 miles of new or replacement barrier has already been approved prior to this deal.
-40 of replacement has already been built or started.
-14 miles of new was started this month.
-55 miles of new with this latest deal.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -wall.html

[mainejeff]

Less is more.

He shutdown the government and held out for less money! What an asshole.

That approach explains the four bankruptcies, and he’s hard at work on a fifth (the US of A). What a shytty negotiator.

Common ground.

[mainejeff]

Sour grapes. You never had a chance.

I've nailed better dozens of times.

And you didn't even know that they used to be men.

[mainejeff]

I thought Americans were supposed to protect themselves?

You and your ilk are doing your damnest to make that an impossibility.

450 million guns aren't enough for you?

[mainejeff]

Always someone else's fault, eh?

Quit trying to take away my fully automatic assault rifles with 50-round clips....beyotch.

You need at least 500 more! Bury them and hide them everywhere! They are coming for YOU and your GUNS!

[mainejeff]

Maybe we should get rid of TSA too? They provide far less security than a wall would and you don't think a wall would work. Then again, your girlfriend AOC wants to ban air travel within the next ten years anyway, so maybe its a moot point.

I agree TSA is "faux security" at its finest!

"Lets disarm all these people and make them safer," **** losers. You have to literally turn in your man card to become employed at TSA, Ibaneznization of America at its finest

We need loaded guns on EVERY passenger! There's nothing safer than 150 people that are locked and loaded in a tin can at 30,000 feet!

[mainejeff]

Trumps a giant wuss and the only hold outs are fanbois like BDK, AG and CitGrad who are secretly hoping for some Purge of all the non whites.

I watched The Oath a few nights ago and I wouldn't put it past BDK and others to get behind a loyalty oath to the POTUS.

Spoiler: show

:fuel:

Im cool with this, you and your pussy fanboi name calling work work on a real man. We shrug off your agenda like water of a waterboarded terrorists face. Go call names to somebody else on the playground little girl that doesnt work in America

Stop being such a faggot.

[Ibanez]

Trumps a giant wuss and the only hold outs are fanbois like BDK, AG and CitGrad who are secretly hoping for some Purge of all the non whites.

I watched The Oath a few nights ago and I wouldn't put it past BDK and others to get behind a loyalty oath to the POTUS.

Spoiler: show

:fuel:

Im cool with this, you and your pussy fanboi name calling work work on a real man. We shrug off your agenda like water of a waterboarded terrorists face. Go call names to somebody else on the playground little girl that doesnt work in America

You are just adorable when your being self-righteous and hypocritical.

Just adorable.

[Ibanez]

You do know that Pelosi was in the minority in December and it was a Republican Congress that had 2 years to get this done and they couldn't. Gee - I wonder why. I'm sure you'll blame Democrats. You have never cease to amaze anyone with your lack of objectivity.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics ... index.html

Now explain how a bill, with less money, is a win? He's in a no win situation. He HAS to sign this otherwise it's his fault, again, for a shut down.

Again, you were wrong when you stated

So if Trump signs this new bill he'll actually be getting less than what was offered in December. What a n awful deal maker.

The 1.6 billion in barrier funding offered in the Senate package was earlier in 2018 (like the CNN link you used stated) (believe it was June) which was no longer on the table in DECEMBER. In Dec Its was a lame duck conk House, and the conks didn't have 60 votes in the Senate votes in the senate to pass a bill on their own.

DECEMBER donk offer: 1.6 billion increase to DOHS funding towards border security/ZERO $$ for fencing/wall.
Now: 3+ billion increase funding towards border security (to a total of about $23 billion): $1.7 billion non fencing/wall + $1.375 billion fencing/wall.

I didn't say it was a win. But its $1.375 billion more in fencing/wall for FY 2019 than was offered by the donks in Dec.

So to restate, Trump is accepting a deal for less money.

What a joke.

[BDKJMU]

Again, you were wrong when you stated

The 1.6 billion in barrier funding offered in the Senate package was earlier in 2018 (like the CNN link you used stated) (believe it was June) which was no longer on the table in DECEMBER. In Dec Its was a lame duck conk House, and the conks didn't have 60 votes in the Senate votes in the senate to pass a bill on their own.

DECEMBER donk offer: 1.6 billion increase to DOHS funding towards border security/ZERO $$ for fencing/wall.
Now: 3+ billion increase funding towards border security (to a total of about $23 billion): $1.7 billion non fencing/wall + $1.375 billion fencing/wall.

I didn't say it was a win. But its $1.375 billion more in fencing/wall for FY 2019 than was offered by the donks in Dec.

So to restate, Trump is accepting a deal for less money.

What a joke.

So to restate, you were wrong.
Trump is accepting a deal that is $1.375 billion more for fencing/wall than was offered in Dec.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I've nailed better dozens of times.

And you didn't even know that they used to be men.

Don't care, you guys are the ones that have to force that **** on America

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I agree TSA is "faux security" at its finest!

"Lets disarm all these people and make them safer," **** losers. You have to literally turn in your man card to become employed at TSA, Ibaneznization of America at its finest

We need loaded guns on EVERY passenger! There's nothing safer than 150 people that are locked and loaded in a tin can at 30,000 feet!

First intelligent post you have ever made...... I suspect somebody hacked your account

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Im cool with this, you and your pussy fanboi name calling work work on a real man. We shrug off your agenda like water of a waterboarded terrorists face. Go call names to somebody else on the playground little girl that doesnt work in America

Stop being such a faggot.

Go **** yourself douchebag

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[Ibanez]

So to restate, Trump is accepting a deal for less money.

What a joke.

So to restate, you were wrong.
Trump is accepting a deal that is $1.375 billion more for fencing/wall than was offered in Dec.

But...it's still less than the deal that was on the table for Border Security in December.

[AZGrizFan]

You and your ilk are doing your damnest to make that an impossibility.

450 million guns aren't enough for you?

If I had 450 million guns it MIGHT be enough.

[JohnStOnge]

Bottom line is that unless something changes dramatically Trump is not going to get funding to do what he said Mexico was going to pay for. He's not going to get the kind of wall he was demagoguing about during the campaign. What he's going to do is try to scam his supporters into thinking he actually got it. That's how he rolls. He's all about conning and scamming. It's what he does.

The sad thing is that somewhere in the range of 35% to 45% of the population is going to continue to fall for his nonsense. It's a cult. Reality doesn't matter. The Dear Leader is all that matters.

[BDKJMU]

So to restate, you were wrong.
Trump is accepting a deal that is $1.375 billion more for fencing/wall than was offered in Dec.

But...it's still less than the deal that was on the table for Border Security in December.

Again WRONG.
Dec deal on the table had 1.6 billion increase for border security, zero for fencing/wall.
Deal now reportedly has over 3 billion increase for border security: 1.7 billion increase for border security other than fencing/wall, + 1.375 billion for fencing/wall.

[BDKJMU]

Bottom line is that unless something changes dramatically Trump is not going to get funding to do what he said Mexico was going to pay for. He's not going to get the kind of wall he was demagoguing about during the campaign. What he's going to do is try to scam his supporters into thinking he actually got it. That's how he rolls. He's all about conning and scamming. It's what he does.

The sad thing is that somewhere in the range of 35% to 45% of the population is going to continue to fall for his nonsense. It's a cult. Reality doesn't matter. The Dear Leader is all that matters.

The last couple months I think were just the 1st couple rounds in a 10 round fight.

Next:
-Trump may very well declare a nation emergency using 10 USC 284. Donks would of course judge shop and likely get it blocked, and SCOTUS would ultimately decide.

-Or possibly using sequestration leverage for FY 2020. The below came from a Washington Post columnist, so take it with a grain of salt (NY Post link below not behind a paywall). I thought we were done with sequestration, but apparently not. An interesting take- Trump gets barrier funding, or we get across the board spending cuts (which I think we need, including military).
https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/how-trump ... -wall/amp/

[Skjellyfetti]

The last couple months I think were just the 1st couple rounds in a 10 round fight.

Next:
-Trump may very well declare a nation emergency using 10 USC 284. Donks would of course judge shop and likely get it blocked, and SCOTUS would ultimately decide.

-Or possibly using sequestration leverage for FY 2020. The below came from a Washington Post columnist, so take it with a grain of salt (NY Post link below not behind a paywall). I thought we were done with sequestration, but apparently not. An interesting take- Trump gets barrier funding, or we get across the board spending cuts (which I think we need, including military).
https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/how-trump ... -wall/amp/

A far cry from your "brilliant strategy" post after the shutdown.

[BDKJMU]

The last couple months I think were just the 1st couple rounds in a 10 round fight.

Next:
-Trump may very well declare a nation emergency using 10 USC 284. Donks would of course judge shop and likely get it blocked, and SCOTUS would ultimately decide.

-Or possibly using sequestration leverage for FY 2020. The below came from a Washington Post columnist, so take it with a grain of salt (NY Post link below not behind a paywall). I thought we were done with sequestration, but apparently not. An interesting take- Trump gets barrier funding, or we get across the board spending cuts (which I think we need, including military).
https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/how-trump ... -wall/amp/

A far cry from your "brilliant strategy" post after the shutdown.

Not if either one of those work..

[Ivytalk]

Bottom line is that unless something changes dramatically Trump is not going to get funding to do what he said Mexico was going to pay for. He's not going to get the kind of wall he was demagoguing about during the campaign. What he's going to do is try to scam his supporters into thinking he actually got it. That's how he rolls. He's all about conning and scamming. It's what he does.

The sad thing is that somewhere in the range of 35% to 45% of the population is going to continue to fall for his nonsense. It's a cult. Reality doesn't matter. The Dear Leader is all that matters.

The last couple months I think were just the 1st couple rounds in a 10 round fight.

Next:
-Trump may very well declare a nation emergency using 10 USC 284. Donks would of course judge shop and likely get it blocked, and SCOTUS would ultimately decide.

-Or possibly using sequestration leverage for FY 2020. The below came from a Washington Post columnist, so take it with a grain of salt (NY Post link below not behind a paywall). I thought we were done with sequestration, but apparently not. An interesting take- Trump gets barrier funding, or we get across the board spending cuts (which I think we need, including military).
https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/how-trump ... -wall/amp/

If Trump relies on 10 USC 284, there will be no need for judge-shopping. The plain text of the statute will do him in.

[SDHornet]

I like how everyone was crowing about "compromise" then when compromise hits everyone on both sides screams bloody murder.

I agree with Ibanez (and others) that conks should have got border funding done in the first 2 years, but conks never had 60 votes in the Senate so it probably never would have gotten passed anyways.

No doubt Trump caved in round 1, but he got the dems to cave on "no wall money" in round 2. The only thing significant that happened between rounds 1 and 2 was the SOTU. Interesting ain't it?

Also Trump got some wall funding without budging an inch on DACA, which is a loss (or at a minimum a missed opportunity) for donks to appease Team Brown. If conks were smart (they aren't) they would highlight this issue to the Brown vote next election cycle.

I don't think Trump will go the emergency route now that donks caved in round 2 on wall/fence/metal slats/barrier funding. I think he (should) uses wall/barrier/fence/metal slats funding as a sticking point during the CR negotiations.

[SDHornet]

BDK assures me you're wrong.


This is like the Seinfeld episode where George negotiates with NBC for less money.

I was kind of hoping Trump had some balls. I could use another five weeks off. With back pay and tax return I was good until the DoD shutdown deadline on September 30.

Yeah but the shutdown avoidance means we don't have your insufferable whiney ass bitch routine on these boards during that time.

[93henfan]

I was kind of hoping Trump had some balls. I could use another five weeks off. With back pay and tax return I was good until the DoD shutdown deadline on September 30.

Yeah but the shutdown avoidance means we don't have your insufferable whiney ass bitch routine on these boards during that time.

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[SDHornet]

Yeah but the shutdown avoidance means we don't have your insufferable whiney ass bitch routine on these boards during that time.

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Failure to use a Kartman South Park "suck my balls" clip. 10 yard penalty, replay the down.