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Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:26 pm

Yes Justify won the Belmont Stakes and the Triple Crown today. But what I watch for every year is whether any horse an approach what Secretariat did in that race in 1973. 2:24. And Justify ran 2:28.18.

So we still have Secretariat. Fastest time ever anywhere for a mile and half on dirt. Also distinctly separated from the other fastest Belmont times. Two through six are all in the 2:26 through 2:26.8 range. All within 0.08 seconds of each other. Secretariat's time is 2 or more full seconds faster than any of them.

Freak of nature. Secretariat would've beaten Justify by something like 70 yards if the we had a time machine, could match the two up against each other, and have each of them run their Belmont times over 1 1/2 miles.

The other 1973 Belmont horses know what that felt like. Yes I know I post this video every year. But this is freak of nature stuff. I actually did watch it live and I'm grateful I was alive to see this horse run even though I'm not a horse racing fan per se. At the end of the video it's noted that he had just broken the 1 1/2 mile record by 2 3/5 seconds. They said it was a record that may stand forever. I wonder. 45 years ago now and no other horse has come close to his Belmont record.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:31 pm

Good thing they didn't drug-test horses in the 70s. :coffee:

But seriously, I think Secretariat's performance in the first turn at Pimlico was the most impressive part of his Triple Crown. Last to first in a turn. It was like he had a **** turbo. At Belmont, the rest of the horses just quit. Even if Secretariat had run slower than record pace, he'd have still beaten them by many lengths. In the Preakness, he passed them all and flipped them the bird starting down the backstraight. :lol:

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby Ivytalk » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:55 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:Yes Justify won the Belmont Stakes and the Triple Crown today. But what I watch for every year is whether any horse an approach what Secretariat did in that race in 1973. 2:24. And Justify ran 2:28.18.

So we still have Secretariat. Fastest time ever anywhere for a mile and half on dirt. Also distinctly separated from the other fastest Belmont times. Two through six are all in the 2:26 through 2:26.8 range. All within 0.08 seconds of each other. Secretariat's time is 2 or more full seconds faster than any of them.

Freak of nature. Secretariat would've beaten Justify by something like 70 yards if the we had a time machine, could match the two up against each other, and have each of them run their Belmont times over 1 1/2 miles.

The other 1973 Belmont horses know what that felt like. Yes I know I post this video every year. But this is freak of nature stuff. I actually did watch it live and I'm grateful I was alive to see this horse run even though I'm not a horse racing fan per se. At the end of the video it's noted that he had just broken the 1 1/2 mile record by 2 3/5 seconds. They said it was a record that may stand forever. I wonder. 45 years ago now and no other horse has come close to his Belmont record.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby AZGrizFan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:29 pm

93henfan wrote:Good thing they didn't drug-test horses in the 70s. :coffee:

But seriously, I think Secretariat's performance in the first turn at Pimlico was the most impressive part of his Triple Crown. Last to first in a turn. It was like he had a **** turbo. At Belmont, the rest of the horses just quit. Even if Secretariat had run slower than record pace, he'd have still beaten them by many lengths. In the Preakness, he passed them all and flipped them the bird starting down the backstraight. :lol:


I just went back and watched all three races. Unbelievable what that horse did in that turn. Unbelievable.
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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CID1990 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:10 pm

My parents used to go to the Derby every year (aunt lives across the river in Jeffersonville IN) and they were at the one that year

I read somewhere that when they dissected Secretariat that he truly was a freak of nature - his heart was something like twice the size of a normal heart from a horse of the same size


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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:12 pm

CID1990 wrote:My parents used to go to the Derby every year (aunt lives across the river in Jeffersonville IN) and they were at the one that year

I read somewhere that when they dissected Secretariat that he truly was a freak of nature - his heart was something like twice the size of a normal heart from a horse of the same size


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That is correct on his heart. The average racing thoroughbred heart weighs 9lb and Secretariat's was 22 lbs.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby polsongrizz » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:43 am

This was a total joke. I mean the last race had a total of 8 f u cking horses for christ sake. What a scam.
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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:39 pm

polsongrizz wrote:This was a total joke. I mean the last race had a total of 8 f u cking horses for christ sake. What a scam.


Secretariat's Belmont had six. A lot of owners don't want their horses running the two extra furlongs of the Belmont. It's a graveyard.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CAA Flagship » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:44 am

Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.

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Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:06 am

CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That's what everyone that lost to Usain Bolt said.
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Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:51 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That's what everyone that lost to Usain Bolt said.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:57 am

CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That actually lends even more credit to Secretariat’s performance. When you’re up by 31 lengths, why not just cruise home?


Unless you’re on drugs!!!

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CAA Flagship » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:06 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That's what everyone that lost to Usain Bolt said.

Bolt is a sprinter. Which one of my sentences relates to sprinting?

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CAA Flagship » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:10 am

93henfan wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That actually lends even more credit to Secretariat’s performance. When you’re up by 31 lengths, why not just cruise home?


Unless you’re on drugs!!!

You clearly pointed out the differences (drugs, heart, etc.) and there is no disputing that.
But I don't think breaking a record time is as important as winning the race.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:13 am

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That's what everyone that lost to Usain Bolt said.

Bolt is a sprinter. Which one of my sentences relates to sprinting?


Bolt won on speed, just like Secretariat. Big Red demolished the competition.
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93henfan wrote:Good thing they didn't drug-test horses in the 70s. :coffee:

But seriously, I think Secretariat's performance in the first turn at Pimlico was the most impressive part of his Triple Crown. Last to first in a turn. It was like he had a **** turbo. At Belmont, the rest of the horses just quit. Even if Secretariat had run slower than record pace, he'd have still beaten them by many lengths. In the Preakness, he passed them all and flipped them the bird starting down the backstraight. :lol:


I just went back and watched all three races. Unbelievable what that horse did in that turn. Unbelievable.

I just watched the Preakness replay as well based on 93's comment; that was insane. Kentucky too...flying from 6th place on a wide outside turn to beat every horse.

What a ridiculous machine.

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93henfan wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Not discrediting Secratariat's performances, but the Belmont is not a sprint. It's a matter of setting a pace to set up the finish. The jockey's manage the race. The race is against the other horses, not the clock. Comparing times is of little relevance.


That actually lends even more credit to Secretariat’s performance. When you’re up by 31 lengths, why not just cruise home?


Unless you’re on drugs!!!


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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

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93henfan wrote:
That actually lends even more credit to Secretariat’s performance. When you’re up by 31 lengths, why not just cruise home?


Unless you’re on drugs!!!

You clearly pointed out the differences (drugs, heart, etc.) and there is no disputing that.
But I don't think breaking a record time is as important as winning the race.

93 blew up your point. Nobody pushed Secretariat. Not sure he got the crop once in the second half of the race. There is no disputing that Secretariat was the greatest of all time.
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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:13 pm

89Hen wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:You clearly pointed out the differences (drugs, heart, etc.) and there is no disputing that.
But I don't think breaking a record time is as important as winning the race.

93 blew up your point. Nobody pushed Secretariat. Not sure he got the crop once in the second half of the race. There is no disputing that Secretariat was the greatest of all time.


Except for the horse racing equivalent of a GannonFan, who will argue Man o’ War’s case. :D.

It’s hard to argue with the standing record for 45 years at all three jewels though.

And Secretariat did it the wrong way at all three tracks: way back to start the Derby and Preakness and then setting the pace at Belmont.

Ugh, my Belmont comment made me think of poor Smarty Jones again. That race still makes me mad. Stewart Elliott blew it.

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Postby GannonFan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:47 am

93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote:93 blew up your point. Nobody pushed Secretariat. Not sure he got the crop once in the second half of the race. There is no disputing that Secretariat was the greatest of all time.


Except for the horse racing equivalent of a GannonFan, who will argue Man o’ War’s case. :D.

It’s hard to argue with the standing record for 45 years at all three jewels though.

And Secretariat did it the wrong way at all three tracks: way back to start the Derby and Preakness and then setting the pace at Belmont.

Ugh, my Belmont comment made me think of poor Smarty Jones again. That race still makes me mad. Stewart Elliott blew it.


Well, let's be honest, Man o' War had a great name. And he knocked the crap out of Sir Barton in that match race. And his only loss was when they were using a starting net rather than gates up at Saratoga. And his son, War Admiral, won the Triple Crown, and his grandsire was Seabiscuit and there's plenty of Man o' War genes in both Seattle Slew and American Pharaoh. But that Sam Riddle guy owned him and he was a meany in the Seabiscuit movie so maybe not!
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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CAA Flagship » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:11 am

89Hen wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:You clearly pointed out the differences (drugs, heart, etc.) and there is no disputing that.
But I don't think breaking a record time is as important as winning the race.

93 blew up your point. Nobody pushed Secretariat. Not sure he got the crop once in the second half of the race. There is no disputing that Secretariat was the greatest of all time.

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My point is that Justify wasn't racing the record, he was racing the other horses in the race. Why jump out to a blistering pace if you are not sure if you can finish. You jump out front at a good pace and save a kick for the end.
What's so hard to understand?

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 93henfan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:15 am

GannonFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Except for the horse racing equivalent of a GannonFan, who will argue Man o’ War’s case. :D.

It’s hard to argue with the standing record for 45 years at all three jewels though.

And Secretariat did it the wrong way at all three tracks: way back to start the Derby and Preakness and then setting the pace at Belmont.

Ugh, my Belmont comment made me think of poor Smarty Jones again. That race still makes me mad. Stewart Elliott blew it.


Well, let's be honest, Man o' War had a great name. And he knocked the crap out of Sir Barton in that match race. And his only loss was when they were using a starting net rather than gates up at Saratoga. And his son, War Admiral, won the Triple Crown, and his grandsire was Seabiscuit and there's plenty of Man o' War genes in both Seattle Slew and American Pharaoh. But that Sam Riddle guy owned him and he was a meany in the Seabiscuit movie so maybe not!


You forgot to mention that he is Bloodhorse’s GOAT.

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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby 89Hen » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:13 am

CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote:93 blew up your point. Nobody pushed Secretariat. Not sure he got the crop once in the second half of the race. There is no disputing that Secretariat was the greatest of all time.

:suspicious:
My point is that Justify wasn't racing the record, he was racing the other horses in the race. Why jump out to a blistering pace if you are not sure if you can finish. You jump out front at a good pace and save a kick for the end.
What's so hard to understand?

Each of Secretariats splits were faster than the previous. The reason he set the record is because he was the fastest horse in history, without being pushed. It wasn't like he hung on after a blistering start.
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Re: Justify wins Triple Crown but Pffft

Postby CAA Flagship » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:22 am

89Hen wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: :suspicious:
My point is that Justify wasn't racing the record, he was racing the other horses in the race. Why jump out to a blistering pace if you are not sure if you can finish. You jump out front at a good pace and save a kick for the end.
What's so hard to understand?

Each of Secretariats splits were faster than the previous. The reason he set the record is because he was the fastest horse in history, without being pushed. It wasn't like he hung on after a blistering start.

Good for him. What does any of that have to do with Justify's race?


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