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Postby kalm » Thu May 10, 2018 8:10 pm

I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk. I found this article interesting from a historical/linguistic standpoint.

But it turns out cracker's roots go back even further than the 17th century. All the way back to the age of Shakespeare, at least.

"The meaning of the word has changed a lot over the last four centuries," said Dana Ste. Claire, a Florida historian and anthropologist who studies, er, crackers. (He literally wrote the book on them.)

Ste. Claire pointed me to King John, published sometime in the 1590s. One character refers to another as a craker — a common insult for an obnoxious bloviator.

What craker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?

"It's a beautiful quote, but it was a character trait that was used to describe a group of Celtic immigrants — Scots-Irish people who came to the Americas who were running from political circumstances in the old world," Ste. Claire said. Those Scots-Irish folks started settling the Carolinas, and later moved deeper South and into Florida and Georgia.

But the disparaging term followed these immigrants, who were thought by local officials to be unruly and ill-mannered.

"In official documents, the governor of Florida said, 'We don't know what to do with these crackers — we tell them to settle this area and they don't; we tell them not to settle this area and they do," Ste. Claire said. "They lived off the land. They were rogues."


https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... n-crackers
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Postby CID1990 » Thu May 10, 2018 8:18 pm

An excellent book on the Scots Irish (the old folks would git after you if you said Scots Irish... they said it implied we are part Irish. The preferred term was "Ulster Scots") is called "Born Fighting: How the Scots Irish Shaped America" by James Webb, the former VA senator.
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Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Thu May 10, 2018 8:42 pm

kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk.


I too am appreciative but DO still consider them "toothless hill folk"
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Postby 89Hen » Fri May 11, 2018 6:28 am

kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk.

Then they've successfully fooled you. They are.
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Postby Ibanez » Fri May 11, 2018 6:33 am

CID1990 wrote:An excellent book on the Scots Irish (the old folks would git after you if you said Scots Irish... they said it implied we are part Irish. The preferred term was "Ulster Scots") is called "Born Fighting: How the Scots Irish Shaped America" by James Webb, the former VA senator.

:thumb: That is an excellent book. ANother is How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) by Arthur Herman. The chapters on philosophy and education were shocking to me - I had never realized how me we owed to the Scots.
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Postby Ibanez » Fri May 11, 2018 6:34 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk.

Then they've successfully fooled you. They are.

Wait...false teeth don't count??
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Postby Ibanez » Fri May 11, 2018 6:37 am

kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk. I found this article interesting from a historical/linguistic standpoint.

But it turns out cracker's roots go back even further than the 17th century. All the way back to the age of Shakespeare, at least.

"The meaning of the word has changed a lot over the last four centuries," said Dana Ste. Claire, a Florida historian and anthropologist who studies, er, crackers. (He literally wrote the book on them.)

Ste. Claire pointed me to King John, published sometime in the 1590s. One character refers to another as a craker — a common insult for an obnoxious bloviator.

What craker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?

"It's a beautiful quote, but it was a character trait that was used to describe a group of Celtic immigrants — Scots-Irish people who came to the Americas who were running from political circumstances in the old world," Ste. Claire said. Those Scots-Irish folks started settling the Carolinas, and later moved deeper South and into Florida and Georgia.

But the disparaging term followed these immigrants, who were thought by local officials to be unruly and ill-mannered.

"In official documents, the governor of Florida said, 'We don't know what to do with these crackers — we tell them to settle this area and they don't; we tell them not to settle this area and they do," Ste. Claire said. "They lived off the land. They were rogues."


https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... n-crackers


Grandpa Cook always called us "crackers". :lol:

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Postby ASUG8 » Fri May 11, 2018 6:50 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk.

Then they've successfully fooled you. They are.


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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri May 11, 2018 2:25 pm

kalm wrote:I’ve honestly learned a ton about southern culture from cs.com of which I’m appreciative. I no longer consider you all (YOU ALL) toothless hill folk.


That's "Y'all."
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri May 11, 2018 2:42 pm

Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:An excellent book on the Scots Irish (the old folks would git after you if you said Scots Irish... they said it implied we are part Irish. The preferred term was "Ulster Scots") is called "Born Fighting: How the Scots Irish Shaped America" by James Webb, the former VA senator.

:thumb: That is an excellent book. ANother is How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) by Arthur Herman. The chapters on philosophy and education were shocking to me - I had never realized how me we owed to the Scots.


And, to piggyback off what's been posted - yall might be interested in Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer. Looks at four distinct groups of British immigrants settling in the US and the distinct cultures they formed that shaped the early US (and remnants of which still exist). Accounts for a lot of US strife through the years - descendants of landed gentry from the south of England vs. New England descendants of Puritans, for example.

Pretty fascinating book and the Scots Irish are obviously one of the groups looked at.
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Postby CID1990 » Fri May 11, 2018 6:16 pm

Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:An excellent book on the Scots Irish (the old folks would git after you if you said Scots Irish... they said it implied we are part Irish. The preferred term was "Ulster Scots") is called "Born Fighting: How the Scots Irish Shaped America" by James Webb, the former VA senator.

:thumb: That is an excellent book. ANother is How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) by Arthur Herman. The chapters on philosophy and education were shocking to me - I had never realized how me we owed to the Scots.


Yeah if people were forced to stop culturally appropriating us they’d have to live in grass huts and walk from place to place

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Postby Ibanez » Sat May 12, 2018 8:21 am

CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :thumb: That is an excellent book. ANother is How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) by Arthur Herman. The chapters on philosophy and education were shocking to me - I had never realized how me we owed to the Scots.


Yeah if people were forced to stop culturally appropriating us they’d have to live in grass huts and walk from place to place

(A Scot invented the pneumatic tire)

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Postby CID1990 » Sat May 12, 2018 9:32 am

Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Yeah if people were forced to stop culturally appropriating us they’d have to live in grass huts and walk from place to place

(A Scot invented the pneumatic tire)

Right? Bastard


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Postby houndawg » Sat May 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :thumb: That is an excellent book. ANother is How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) by Arthur Herman. The chapters on philosophy and education were shocking to me - I had never realized how me we owed to the Scots.


And, to piggyback off what's been posted - yall might be interested in Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer. Looks at four distinct groups of British immigrants settling in the US and the distinct cultures they formed that shaped the early US (and remnants of which still exist). Accounts for a lot of US strife through the years - descendants of landed gentry from the south of England vs. New England descendants of Puritans, for example.

Pretty fascinating book and the Scots Irish are obviously one of the groups looked at.


Yet another interesting book about early Appalachia is Our Southern Highlanders by Horace Kephart.

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