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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby BDKJMU » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:59 pm

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mrklean wrote:The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.


That's an oft repeated myth.

The Soviets had what was one of the best - if not the best - fighter of the war in the Yakovlev Yak-3. The high altitude variant was easily a contemporary to the P-51. The few non-Russian pilots to fly it almost uniformly agreed that it was superior to late model Spitfires and the P-51D.

Lavochkin also had two VERY good fighters - the La-7 and the La-9. The number one Allied fighter ace of WWII did not fly a Spitfire or a P-51. He flew a La-7... Ivan Kozhedub. He had 62 confirmed kills. Ironically, he went on to command a MiG-15 battalion on the North Korean border which was credited with shooting down something like 15 B-29s.

The Soviet capacity for mass producing aircraft by 1945 was very very good, and their aircraft and tank factories were well beyond the Urals. Stalin moved them there to keep them out of the reach of German forces after 1941. They were well beyond the reach of our B-29s from any place we could have staged them.

The Soviets also had thousands and thousands of late variant T-34 tanks in Eastern Europe in 1945, and nothing we had came anywhere close to it.

Any Allied offensive to roll the Soviets back from Eastern Europe would have been a very bloody affair and our prospects of getting past the Danube would have been very dicey.


What about the Pershing? Didn't the Pershing outperform the T34 in Korea? From what I've read 1st Pershings didn't arrive in Europe until Jan 45', only about 300 were in Europe by the time the Germans surrendered, and only about 15 saw combat. But we certainly had the ability to crank them out en mass like we did the Shermans if for some reason the war had gone into 1946..
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby CID1990 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:59 pm

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CID1990 wrote:
Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:

The B-29 didn't have the range to do its job in that scenario- strategic bombing - from any place we could have staged them. The B-29 was useful in going after population centers and manufacturing. The war manufacturing capacity of the USSR was behind the Urals.


If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.


To hit men you fly lower and you get shot out of the sky. Again, the B-29 was a strategic bomber. Not an attack aircraft.

You need to go back and read your history. Soviet population centers were not fixed. Stalin gave them all up - except Stalingrad.

We could have dropped all the bombs we had on every major Soviet city and it would not have affected their capacity to wage war one bit.

As for the P-51: it was a great fighter. But the idea that it would have owned the skies against competently piloted, contemporary Soviet fighters is a myth. Plus, the average Soviet pilot had scads more combat experience than any other Allied pilots.

The idea that we were in any position to push the Russians out of Europe is not based on any knowledge of the realities that existed at that time.


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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby bandl » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:16 am

CID1990 wrote:
mrklean wrote:
If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.


To hit men you fly lower and you get shot out of the sky. Again, the B-29 was a strategic bomber. Not an attack aircraft.

You need to go back and read your history. Soviet population centers were not fixed. Stalin gave them all up - except Stalingrad.

We could have dropped all the bombs we had on every major Soviet city and it would not have affected their capacity to wage war one bit.

As for the P-51: it was a great fighter. But the idea that it would have owned the skies against competently piloted, contemporary Soviet fighters is a myth. Plus, the average Soviet pilot had scads more combat experience than any other Allied pilots.

The idea that we were in any position to push the Russians out of Europe is not based on any knowledge of the realities that existed at that time.


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So the Russians are to blame for the riots in Charlottesville?

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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby kalm » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:25 am

bandl wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
To hit men you fly lower and you get shot out of the sky. Again, the B-29 was a strategic bomber. Not an attack aircraft.

You need to go back and read your history. Soviet population centers were not fixed. Stalin gave them all up - except Stalingrad.

We could have dropped all the bombs we had on every major Soviet city and it would not have affected their capacity to wage war one bit.

As for the P-51: it was a great fighter. But the idea that it would have owned the skies against competently piloted, contemporary Soviet fighters is a myth. Plus, the average Soviet pilot had scads more combat experience than any other Allied pilots.

The idea that we were in any position to push the Russians out of Europe is not based on any knowledge of the realities that existed at that time.


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So the Russians are to blame for the riots in Charlottesville?


Quit trying to hijack the thread.
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby CID1990 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:30 am

bandl wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
To hit men you fly lower and you get shot out of the sky. Again, the B-29 was a strategic bomber. Not an attack aircraft.

You need to go back and read your history. Soviet population centers were not fixed. Stalin gave them all up - except Stalingrad.

We could have dropped all the bombs we had on every major Soviet city and it would not have affected their capacity to wage war one bit.

As for the P-51: it was a great fighter. But the idea that it would have owned the skies against competently piloted, contemporary Soviet fighters is a myth. Plus, the average Soviet pilot had scads more combat experience than any other Allied pilots.

The idea that we were in any position to push the Russians out of Europe is not based on any knowledge of the realities that existed at that time.


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So the Russians are to blame for the riots in Charlottesville?


They probably colluded with somebody, yes
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby GannonFan » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:36 am

bandl wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
To hit men you fly lower and you get shot out of the sky. Again, the B-29 was a strategic bomber. Not an attack aircraft.

You need to go back and read your history. Soviet population centers were not fixed. Stalin gave them all up - except Stalingrad.

We could have dropped all the bombs we had on every major Soviet city and it would not have affected their capacity to wage war one bit.

As for the P-51: it was a great fighter. But the idea that it would have owned the skies against competently piloted, contemporary Soviet fighters is a myth. Plus, the average Soviet pilot had scads more combat experience than any other Allied pilots.

The idea that we were in any position to push the Russians out of Europe is not based on any knowledge of the realities that existed at that time.


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So the Russians are to blame for the riots in Charlottesville?


The Russians are behind everything that goes wrong in this country and abroad. Unless it's China's fault. Them too. :coffee:
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Ibanez » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:03 am

Col Hogan wrote:
mrklean wrote:
If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.


Factories don't move overnight...people can be moved in minutes...

Flatten Moscow and all you've done is energize the Russian people...most of their military was not in Moscow...

Just about all the factories were moved in 1941...away from the lines and population centers (smart). And the production focused on what worked unlike the Nazi's who wasted money and resources on building the next best thing.
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Ibanez » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:12 am

GannonFan wrote:
bandl wrote:
So the Russians are to blame for the riots in Charlottesville?


The Russians are behind everything that goes wrong in this country and abroad. Unless it's China's fault. Them too. :coffee:

I usually blame Canada. :coffee:
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby GannonFan » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:22 am

Ibanez wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
The Russians are behind everything that goes wrong in this country and abroad. Unless it's China's fault. Them too. :coffee:

I usually blame Canada. :coffee:


I think the question missing in all of this is what Brian Boitano would do. I'm surprised the question hasn't been asked yet.
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Ibanez » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:38 am

GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:I usually blame Canada. :coffee:


I think the question missing in all of this is what Brian Boitano would do. I'm surprised the question hasn't been asked yet.

He'd kick some ass. :thumb:
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby dal4018 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:50 pm

Chizzang wrote:Gee...
I wish we could just let both sides of this riot kill each other

How about put the KKK folks in jail!!!!!

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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby CID1990 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:02 pm

dal4018 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Gee...
I wish we could just let both sides of this riot kill each other

How about put the KKK folks in jail!!!!!


For what?


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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Ibanez » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:14 am

dal4018 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Gee...
I wish we could just let both sides of this riot kill each other

How about put the KKK folks in jail!!!!!

For what crime?
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby dal4018 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:00 am

Starting riots attacking unarmed ppl!!!!

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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Baldy » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:21 am

dal4018 wrote:Starting riots attacking unarmed ppl!!!!

I love me some dal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He makes me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

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Charlottesville riots

Postby CID1990 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:36 pm

dal4018 wrote:Starting riots attacking unarmed ppl!!!!


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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby 89Hen » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 am

Could watch these dummies all day. :lol:

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Re: Charlottesville riots

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89Hen wrote:Could watch these dummies all day. :lol:

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Crowd of hammer & sickle flag waving violent liberals. Just as bad as waving swastika flags.
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Postby SDHornet » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:51 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
89Hen wrote:Could watch these dummies all day. :lol:

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Crowd of hammer & sickle flag waving violent liberals. Just as bad as waving swastika flags.

One and the same imo.

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Re: Charlottesville riots

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Nothing more than violent domestic terrorists.
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby CID1990 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:39 pm

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Nothing more than violent domestic terrorists.


For all the talk of Nazis....

Personal video and social media- this is why I don't think these groups will ever get much traction. In the 1930s all you had were a few folks in the cities saying "these people are dangerous", but they didn't have a lot of backup. And a good portion of the "mainstream media" either ignored or supported Hitler's party

I firmly believe that the Nazis rise to prominence as Hitler's eventual ride to Chancellor would not have happened with social media

CNN and NBC can ignore these people all they like but there is already a private body of work documenting what they really are. 30 years from now every one of these clowns will be denying they participated in Antifa
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby Skjellyfetti » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:03 pm

Kessler indicted for perjury

Jason Kessler, the organizer of the Unite the Right rally, has been indicted by an Albemarle County grand jury on a felony perjury charge. According to court records, the charge stems from a sworn statement he made in January.

Court records show that he gave a statement to a magistrate claiming that he was assaulted by James Taylor on the Downtown Mall on Jan. 22 while trying to gather signatures for his petition to get Wes Bellamy removed from the Charlottesville City Council.

Taylor said when he refused to sign the petition, Kessler punched him and Kessler was charged with assault.

On Jan. 23, Kessler swore out an assault complaint against Taylor, writing that Taylor "grabbed the petition and my arm, violently shaking to separate the two."

Kessler claimed Taylor screamed an obscenity while "making contact with his face to mine."

However, prosecutors said video of the altercation showed Kessler's version of the story wasn't true.

The assault charge against Taylor was dismissed and Kessler pleaded guilty to an assault charge in April. He was sentenced to 50 hours of community service.

The perjury charge is a class 5 felony and carries a possible sentence of one to ten years in prison and up to a $2,500 fine.

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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby BDKJMU » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Liberals in Charlottesville 2017: There weren’t enough police, they didn’t have riot gear.
Liberals in Charlottesville 2018: There are too many police, they don’t need riot gear.
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby houndawg » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:40 am

Ibanez wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
The Russians are behind everything that goes wrong in this country and abroad. Unless it's China's fault. Them too. :coffee:

I usually blame Canada. :coffee:


yep. Socialized medicine. Every time. :coffee:
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Re: Charlottesville riots

Postby houndawg » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:48 am

CID1990 wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
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Nothing more than violent domestic terrorists.


For all the talk of Nazis....

Personal video and social media- this is why I don't think these groups will ever get much traction. In the 1930s all you had were a few folks in the cities saying "these people are dangerous", but they didn't have a lot of backup. And a good portion of the "mainstream media" either ignored or supported Hitler's party

I firmly believe that the Nazis rise to prominence as Hitler's eventual ride to Chancellor would not have happened with social media

CNN and NBC can ignore these people all they like but there is already a private body of work documenting what they really are. 30 years from now every one of these clowns will be denying they participated in Antifa




So let them and the krystalnacht crowd have at each other.

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