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Re: RE: Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

Postby SeattleGriz » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:36 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Big discussion if today is the day Trump asks for the FISA memos to be released. If Trump does ask, does Rosenstein and Fray allow that to happen, or do they use the "methods and sources" to block?

Interesting the Senate Intelligence group has seen all of the unredacted information and they have allowed this to continue without shutting it down one way or another.


President can declassify anything he wants. They can try to pursuade him about revealing sources and methods... but, he can still declassify if he wants. It's out of their control.
My bad, should have been more clear. The process requires Coats, Rosenstein and Fray to sign off on the process.

None of them seem too keen on making their own groups look bad. Will they fight any of the information release would have been a better question.
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:40 pm

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President can declassify anything he wants. They can try to pursuade him about revealing sources and methods... but, he can still declassify if he wants. It's out of their control.
My bad, should have been more clear. The process requires Coats, Rosenstein and Fray to sign off on the process.

None of them seem too keen on making their own groups look bad. Will they fight any of the information release would have been a better question.


Wrong.

The President can just declassify it. It's probably not going to often be a good thing for them to do so unilateraly... and, they should certainly seek consultation from their senior intelligence advisors... but, a President can declassify anything he wants and the approval of Coats, Wray or Rosenstein is not required.
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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

Postby houndawg » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:55 am

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:rofl:

You wish. He's giving Mueller chapter and verse or he goes to jail. Just like Trump's accountant. :thumb:

I'd like to imagine that Cohen is the most credible person in this entire thing - not because of the man himself, but the paper trail he left behind as well as possible recordings.

Unless Cohen has been making up everything for decades... :coffee:



I can't wait to hear what Trump's accountant has to say. :lol:
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Postby CID1990 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:55 am

houndawg wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:I'd like to imagine that Cohen is the most credible person in this entire thing - not because of the man himself, but the paper trail he left behind as well as possible recordings.

Unless Cohen has been making up everything for decades... :coffee:



I can't wait to hear what Trump's accountant has to say. :lol:


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Postby Pwns » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:06 am

We get the government we deserve. :nod:

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Postby 93henfan » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:08 am

Pwns wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/us/politics/maria-butina-sex.html

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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:30 am

Meh. That wasn't part of her charges - part of the reasoning to keep her jailed pre-trial. We'll see if judge lets her out. Doubt it.
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:21 pm

And, the judge rules in the government's favor. Butina remains on jail pending trial. :thumb:
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Postby GannonFan » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:58 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:And, the judge rules in the government's favor. Butina remains on jail pending trial. :thumb:


You do realize they kept her because she's a flight risk, not because she's already been judged, correct? This might be a case the government just strikes out on.
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:14 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:And, the judge rules in the government's favor. Butina remains on jail pending trial. :thumb:


You do realize they kept her because she's a flight risk, not because she's already been judged, correct? This might be a case the government just strikes out on.


Yes. Did i say anything differently?
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Postby GannonFan » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:23 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:
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You do realize they kept her because she's a flight risk, not because she's already been judged, correct? This might be a case the government just strikes out on.


Yes. Did i say anything differently?


Sort of, when you said ...
Skjellyfetti wrote: Meh. That wasn't part of her charges - part of the reasoning to keep her jailed pre-trial.
. Again, she's a flight risk to a country where they couldn't extradite her, hence why she's in jail until the trial.
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:43 pm

Yes, and the part about her exchanging sex for influence was in the government's motion to hold her. It was part of their argument.

I agree that she was being held primarily because she's a flight risk and the sex for influence part doesn't matter much. That was my point.... And why I thought the judge would rule the way she did...
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Postby css75 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:08 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Yes, and the part about her exchanging sex for influence was in the government's motion to hold her. It was part of their argument.

I agree that she was being held primarily because she's a flight risk and the sex for influence part doesn't matter much. That was my point.... And why I thought the judge would rule the way she did...


About the only one she could influence for sex would be Bill Clinton.


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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:19 pm

Put a high power rifle in her hand and she's Red Hat red meat.

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Postby CAA Flagship » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:15 pm

Dammit, Jelly. Where are you?

Ex-Trump aide Manafort close to plea deal with Mueller

U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort is close to reaching a plea deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, sources familiar with the matter said on Thursday.


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Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:34 pm

Waiting to see what the terms are.

I don't think Manafort will cooperate and I don't think he will get much of a reduced sentence. My guess is he just wants to get it over with and wants as little evidence made public as possible.

But, I'd love to be wrong. Would never have expected Cohen to flip and implicate Trump months ago... :lol:
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:34 am

Nice to be wrong.

Manafort's plea deal contingent upon cooperating "fully, truthfully, completely, and forthrightly" in "any and all matters as to which the Government deems the cooperation relevant." :lol:



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Postby Col Hogan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:36 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Nice to be wrong.

Manafort's plea deal contingent upon cooperating "fully, truthfully, completely, and forthrightly" in "any and all matters as to which the Government deems the cooperation relevant." :lol:



:D


But, according to NPR News, the Resistance will be greatly disappointed...

Paul Manafort's cooperation agreement with the special counsel does not include matters involving the Trump campaign, according to a person familiar with the case,


https://mobile.twitter.com/nprpolitics/ ... ampaign%2F

Manafort will help with info on several people like the Podesta Group and other foreign lobbyists...
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:44 pm

Col Hogan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Nice to be wrong.

Manafort's plea deal contingent upon cooperating "fully, truthfully, completely, and forthrightly" in "any and all matters as to which the Government deems the cooperation relevant." :lol:



:D


But, according to NPR News, the Resistance will be greatly disappointed...

Paul Manafort's cooperation agreement with the special counsel does not include matters involving the Trump campaign, according to a person familiar with the case,


https://mobile.twitter.com/nprpolitics/ ... ampaign%2F

Manafort will help with info on several people like the Podesta Group and other foreign lobbyists...


That was tweeted before the plea agreement was public... probably based on a source close to POTUS (Giulianai??)

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Postby SDHornet » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pm

So Trump - Russian collusion or are we still waiting on that one?

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Postby SeattleGriz » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:50 am

SDHornet wrote:So Trump - Russian collusion or are we still waiting on that one?
Had to give Mueller time. He's getting there. Lol
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:58 am

Mueller comin', yo

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Postby houndawg » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:07 pm

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I can't wait to hear what Trump's accountant has to say. :lol:


About Russia?


There you go again... :ohno:
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Postby houndawg » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:12 pm

SDHornet wrote:So Trump - Russian collusion or are we still waiting on that one?



Why you so hung up on that? Its coming, don't worry. And if it doesn't...well so what? Think Whitewater, think payback......its schadenfreude time, bro crack a cold one and enjoy the show. :rofl:
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Postby SeattleGriz » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:20 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Mueller comin', yo

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