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Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want statehood

Postby FargoBison » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:32 pm

The guy just can't help himself....I'm sure Romney will be happy to know that Santorum just handed PR and all its delegates to him on a silver platter...

"Like any other state, there has to be compliance with this and any other federal law," Santorum said. "And that is that English has to be the principal language. There are other states with more than one language such as Hawaii but to be a state of the United States, English has to be the principal language."

However, the U.S. Constitution does not designate an official language, nor is there a requirement that a territory adopt English as its primary language in order to become a state.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... 6Z20120314
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby dbackjon » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:38 pm

What a moron...
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Ibanez » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:43 pm

Ricardo es muy muy loco!
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby SuperHornet » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:59 pm

In general, I like Santorum. Not as much as Sarah, by any means. But I like him. MUCH more than Romney.

That said, he's wrong here. English-only is a States Rights issue, IMO. The Feds have no call to say anything about this. Nobody said a word about it when HI and AK with their indigenous languages came in, and it should be no different here.

I don't know that he's officially blown it yet. But he'll want to be a bit more careful, to say the least.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Ibanez » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:01 pm

SuperHornet wrote:In general, I like Santorum. Not as much as Sarah, by any means. But I like him. MUCH more than Romney.

That said, he's wrong here. English-only is a States Rights issue, IMO. The Feds have no call to say anything about this. Nobody said a word about it when HI and AK with their indigenous languages came in, and it should be no different here.

I don't know that he's officially blown it yet. But he'll want to be a bit more careful, to say the least.


Why don't you like Romney? What DO you like Sarah? She's a total joke. Actually, I would LOVE to see her win the WH. She would get in over her head and just implode.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby SuperHornet » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:13 pm

You guys are just all misogynists....

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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby SDHornet » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:31 pm

SuperHornet wrote:You guys are just all misogynists....

:ohno:

Or realists...depending on how you look at it...look at reality that is...
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby 89Hen » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:00 am

English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution

I'm a little confused here and by no means am I even close to an expert on the Constitution, but the fact that it doesn't say English has to be their primary language to become a state doesn't mean the US can't/shouldn't require it by simply not voting them a state until they do adopt English. I doubt the Constitution says anywhere that a state has to have elected leaders instead of a monarch, but I'm sure that Congress would make that a requirement before even having a vote on it.

States don't have states rights until they are a state, do they? We can debate whether a requirement for them to adopt English is right or wrong, but I don't see how it's at odds with the Constitution.

Article IV - The States
Section 3

Clause 1:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Clause 2:

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.


The Constitution is pretty open ended when it comes to making new states and Congress is the one who decides what requirements a territory needs.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Vidav » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:17 am

SuperHornet wrote:You guys are just all misogynists....

:ohno:


It has nothing to do with her being a woman. She is just a complete idiot that isn't fit to run a lemonade stand let alone the USA. :dunce:
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Ibanez » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:20 am

SuperHornet wrote:You guys are just all misogynists....

:ohno:


Great response. Call us misogynists. For your infor, i'd support Condi Rice.

Lets hear why Palin is wonderful?
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby TwinTownBisonFan » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:58 am

Ibanez wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:You guys are just all misogynists....

:ohno:


Great response. Call us misogynists. For your infor, i'd support Condi Rice.

Lets hear why Palin is wonderful?


I wouldn't support her, but I'd trust her as POTUS and CiC just fine...

Palin however - nuttier than squirrel ****... she and Bachmann are funny farm material.

SH - just because someone assails her credentials doesn't make them a misogynist... it makes them accurate. I get that you're all about advancing women and what not (seriously, most women even the uber-feminists i know aren't as seemingly passionate as you are about it...) - but damn man... advance GOOD and QUALIFIED women who have competence... they do exist in Conkistan (if in limited quantities)
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Cap'n Cat » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:49 am

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Great response. Call us misogynists. For your infor, i'd support Condi Rice.

Lets hear why Palin is wonderful?


I wouldn't support her, but I'd trust her as POTUS and CiC just fine...

Palin however - nuttier than squirrel ****... she and Bachmann are funny farm material.

SH - just because someone assails her credentials doesn't make them a misogynist... it makes them accurate. I get that you're all about advancing women and what not (seriously, most women even the uber-feminists i know aren't as seemingly passionate as you are about it...) - but damn man... advance GOOD and QUALIFIED women who have competence... they do exist in Conkistan (if in limited quantities)


Just leave Hillary alone........


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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby FargoBison » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:20 pm

And it looks like Mitt won PR by a bigger margin than he won in Mass....with 69% of the vote in...

Romney 80,131 83%
Santorum 7,521 8%
Gingrich 1,899 2%
Paul 1,134 1%
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby D1B » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:35 pm

Another dumb conk.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby CID1990 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:06 pm

Given all the other things Santorum stands for and has said, I doubt he was pandering here.

However, Romney was 100% pandering when he said he would support PR statehood.

Santorum is a goof, but I agree that we do need to make English a requirement for some things, and immigration should be one. Statehood should be, too, but it hasn't been an issue up until now. Plenty of other western, developed countries require the home language for immigration. Australia is one.

Drives me crazy to see how wild people from Se Asia are about learning English because it is the way to get ahead in the world. There are so many English schools in Saigon they are like Starbucks. Language is culture, and there comes a point where you need to make a good faith effort to assimilate and get along.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:25 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Great response. Call us misogynists. For your infor, i'd support Condi Rice.

Lets hear why Palin is wonderful?


I wouldn't support her, but I'd trust her as POTUS and CiC just fine...

Palin however - nuttier than squirrel ****... she and Bachmann are funny farm material.

SH - just because someone assails her credentials doesn't make them a misogynist... it makes them accurate. I get that you're all about advancing women and what not (seriously, most women even the uber-feminists i know aren't as seemingly passionate as you are about it...) - but damn man... advance GOOD and QUALIFIED women who have competence... they do exist in Conkistan (if in limited quantities)


Yet when we assail Obama's credentials we're immediately labeled racist.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby D1B » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:45 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
I wouldn't support her, but I'd trust her as POTUS and CiC just fine...

Palin however - nuttier than squirrel ****... she and Bachmann are funny farm material.

SH - just because someone assails her credentials doesn't make them a misogynist... it makes them accurate. I get that you're all about advancing women and what not (seriously, most women even the uber-feminists i know aren't as seemingly passionate as you are about it...) - but damn man... advance GOOD and QUALIFIED women who have competence... they do exist in Conkistan (if in limited quantities)


Yet when we assail Obama's credentials we're immediately labeled racist.


Are you really that stupid? Obama graduated from Harvard and is an extremely intelligent person. Palin is an Idaho grad moron, quitter, laughing stock of an asshole.

Yessss, most of you are racists, you just don't realize it.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby kalm » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:01 am

D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Yet when we assail Obama's credentials we're immediately labeled racist.


Are you really that stupid? Obama graduated from Harvard and is an extremely intelligent person. Palin is an Idaho grad moron, quitter, laughing stock of an asshole.

Yessss, most of you are racists, you just don't realize it.


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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby dbackjon » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:42 am

CID1990 wrote:Given all the other things Santorum stands for and has said, I doubt he was pandering here.

However, Romney was 100% pandering when he said he would support PR statehood.

Santorum is a goof, but I agree that we do need to make English a requirement for some things, and immigration should be one. Statehood should be, too, but it hasn't been an issue up until now. Plenty of other western, developed countries require the home language for immigration. Australia is one.

Drives me crazy to see how wild people from Se Asia are about learning English because it is the way to get ahead in the world. There are so many English schools in Saigon they are like Starbucks. Language is culture, and there comes a point where you need to make a good faith effort to assimilate and get along.



Mostly agree with this - however, Puerto Rico is a special case - they are not immigrants - they are already US citizens. They have been speaking Spanish on the island for centuries - we conquered them.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby youngterrier » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:50 am

89Hen wrote:
English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution

I'm a little confused here and by no means am I even close to an expert on the Constitution, but the fact that it doesn't say English has to be their primary language to become a state doesn't mean the US can't/shouldn't require it by simply not voting them a state until they do adopt English. I doubt the Constitution says anywhere that a state has to have elected leaders instead of a monarch, but I'm sure that Congress would make that a requirement before even having a vote on it.

States don't have states rights until they are a state, do they? We can debate whether a requirement for them to adopt English is right or wrong, but I don't see how it's at odds with the Constitution.

Article IV - The States
Section 3

Clause 1:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Clause 2:

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

If I am not mistaken, states must have an elected government to be admired as states. I'm pretty sure it is in there somewhere or it's concocted in a clause somewhere.
The Constitution is pretty open ended when it comes to making new states and Congress is the one who decides what requirements a territory needs
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby GrizFanStuckInUtah » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:14 am

D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Yet when we assail Obama's credentials we're immediately labeled racist.


Are you really that stupid? Obama graduated from Harvard and is an extremely intelligent person. Palin is an Idaho grad moron, quitter, laughing stock of an asshole.

Yessss, most of you are racists, you just don't realize it.


:rofl: :rofl: to the first part.

The second one would be ignorant, not necessarily racist. :kisswink:
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Ivytalk » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:25 am

Predictably, Romney won the PR primary. 8-)
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby Ibanez » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:52 am

I'm all for Puerto Rico getting statehood, if they want it. I'm also for the residents of DC having a voting member in the US Congress.
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:59 am

D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Yet when we assail Obama's credentials we're immediately labeled racist.


Are you really that stupid? Obama graduated from Harvard and is an extremely intelligent person. Palin is an Idaho grad moron, quitter, laughing stock of an asshole.

Yessss, most of you are racists, you just don't realize it.


Being smart enough to graduate from Harvard and having the business sense to run the country are two ENTIRELY different things. But you knew that, right? :? :? :? :? :? :?
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Re: Santorum to Puerto Rico Speak English if you want stateh

Postby CID1990 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:06 am

dbackjon wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Given all the other things Santorum stands for and has said, I doubt he was pandering here.

However, Romney was 100% pandering when he said he would support PR statehood.

Santorum is a goof, but I agree that we do need to make English a requirement for some things, and immigration should be one. Statehood should be, too, but it hasn't been an issue up until now. Plenty of other western, developed countries require the home language for immigration. Australia is one.

Drives me crazy to see how wild people from Se Asia are about learning English because it is the way to get ahead in the world. There are so many English schools in Saigon they are like Starbucks. Language is culture, and there comes a point where you need to make a good faith effort to assimilate and get along.



Mostly agree with this - however, Puerto Rico is a special case - they are not immigrants - they are already US citizens. They have been speaking Spanish on the island for centuries - we conquered them.


I know, I was just using immigration as an example.

PR will become a state the day they vote for it, which won't happen, they have too many advantages by staying as they are.
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