You will still get the rogue neighborhood gatherings.kalm wrote:That was my original point.Gil Dobie wrote:
No, I think they would be in the same area as bars.
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Healthcare cost.
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I'm pretty sure the use of heroin would go up if legal, but I can't really speak to herioin.kalm wrote:Do you think the usage of herioin has to up once it’s legalized.
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It’s french, bitch.89Hen wrote:I'm pretty sure the use of heroin would go up if legal, but I can't really speak to herioin.kalm wrote:Do you think the usage of herioin has to up once it’s legalized.
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sounds sexy89Hen wrote:I'm pretty sure the use of heroin would go up if legal, but I can't really speak to herioin.kalm wrote:Do you think the usage of herioin has to up once it’s legalized.
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But what would you do with prescription drugs? Make them all OTC? What about pharmacists and doctors’ prescriptions?CID1990 wrote:I personally think so.89Hen wrote: Should all drugs be legal?
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This. I am against the legalization due to the social costs that will come from it, not because of the drugs themselves. Present a plan to put the cost of the healthcare issues stemming from using drugs on the user, not society in general, and I would be for it.AZGrizFan wrote:Healthcare cost.
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Yes. They all become OTC.BDKJMU wrote:But what would you do with prescription drugs? Make them all OTC? What about pharmacists and doctors’ prescriptions?CID1990 wrote:
I personally think so.
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Those countries have problems of their own but runaway drug abuse isn’t higher than the US.
I’m only in favor of controlling drugs which, if abused, can cause ill effects for all of us. An example would be antibiotics designed to defeat increasingly resistant bugs
But outside of that, if someone wants to go load up on painkillers... knock yourself out. Literally
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I can only assume you are for thinning the herd.CID1990 wrote:Yes. They all become OTC.BDKJMU wrote: But what would you do with prescription drugs? Make them all OTC? What about pharmacists and doctors’ prescriptions?
I have lived in two countries where only a very select few drugs require prescriptions.
Those countries have problems of their own but runaway drug abuse isn’t higher than the US.
I’m only in favor of controlling drugs which, if abused, can cause ill effects for all of us. An example would be antibiotics designed to defeat increasingly resistant bugs
But outside of that, if someone wants to go load up on painkillers... knock yourself out. Literally
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Nanny State or Herd Thinning89Hen wrote:I can only assume you are for thinning the herd.CID1990 wrote:
Yes. They all become OTC.
I have lived in two countries where only a very select few drugs require prescriptions.
Those countries have problems of their own but runaway drug abuse isn’t higher than the US.
I’m only in favor of controlling drugs which, if abused, can cause ill effects for all of us. An example would be antibiotics designed to defeat increasingly resistant bugs
But outside of that, if someone wants to go load up on painkillers... knock yourself out. Literally
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Legalization of all drugs will never happen because our government is running the whole show. US government needs people on drugs to keep the $$$$ money coming in.
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Succinctly put.Chizzang wrote:Nanny State or Herd Thinning89Hen wrote: I can only assume you are for thinning the herd.
Pick a thing - you've got two choices
I like the herd thinning choice. Even if I am the one being thinned.
At least it is my choices that lead up to me being culled.
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There are many things to consider. Prescription drugs in the wrong dosage or combination can be extremely harmful if not fatal. I get saying that if somebody wants to zone out on Percoset (sp?) that's there business, but what about a person that doesn't know that taking Fluoxetine and Phenelzine can be fatal? Oh well? With all the drug commercials out there, half the country is convinced they have plaque psoriasis with restless leg syndrome.Winterborn wrote:Succinctly put.Chizzang wrote:
Nanny State or Herd Thinning
Pick a thing - you've got two choices
I like the herd thinning choice. Even if I am the one being thinned.
At least it is my choices that lead up to me being culled.
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I'm having a difficult time sussing out your point..?89Hen wrote:There are many things to consider. Prescription drugs in the wrong dosage or combination can be extremely harmful if not fatal. I get saying that if somebody wants to zone out on Percoset (sp?) that's there business, but what about a person that doesn't know that taking Fluoxetine and Phenelzine can be fatal? Oh well? With all the drug commercials out there, half the country is convinced they have plaque psoriasis with restless leg syndrome.Winterborn wrote:
Succinctly put.
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any prescription drug will print out clearly if it's the kind that cannot be mixed
beyond that advice of "do not mix" ... what's the point ?
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Well, yeah!89Hen wrote:I can only assume you are for thinning the herd.CID1990 wrote:
Yes. They all become OTC.
I have lived in two countries where only a very select few drugs require prescriptions.
Those countries have problems of their own but runaway drug abuse isn’t higher than the US.
I’m only in favor of controlling drugs which, if abused, can cause ill effects for all of us. An example would be antibiotics designed to defeat increasingly resistant bugs
But outside of that, if someone wants to go load up on painkillers... knock yourself out. Literally
But that’s a different thread
- there are plenty of warnings on these drugs. I don’t really want to share space with people who:
use the kiddy floaty as a life preserver
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Not new or unique - In the late 70s weed was legal in Alaska, not decriminalized, legal. Everybody at Ft. Wainwright knew they were subject to the UCMJ. In the city limits of Fairbanks bars wouldn't allow smoking weed because customers don't drink as much when they're puffing. Outside the city limits at the Howling Dog the air was filled it. Open 24/7 in the summer with a pig always roasting and a bluegrass band playing, you had to use your watch to see what day it was because of the constant daylight.Col Hogan wrote:Marijuana is causing more problems in the military today than ever...no, use of pot is not up, up a complete set of unique issues has popped up...
Marijuana use is still illegal in the military, because marijuana is still illegal on the federal level. But more and more states are legalizing or decriminalizing its use...
So, the military has stepped up anti-drug briefings and testing...telling the young troops that just because their state has legalized or decriminalized pot, it’s still illegal for a military member to use cannabis...
I recently had a talk with an Army Command Sgt Major...he said after the Christmas mass leaves at his base, they will drug test everybody from the lowest Private up to the Commander because of marijuana...
And now, Pot Stocks are starting to cause serious concerns for people with security clearances...there is a growing debate among various factions that simply owning pot stocks can be a reason for someone losing their security clearance...
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temi ... ks-debate/Someone deep in the Defense Department has offered clarification that if you own stock in a “marijuana company” you could jeopardize your security clearance. The idea has ignited quite a debate.
This clarification concerns the DoD Consolidated Adjudications Facility. You won’t find it at the DODCAF web site but as Federal News Network’s Scott Maucione reported, it came from an email cut and pasted into a Facebook page for Air Force officers. But the approach to clearance and stocks was confirmed by a Defense spokeswoman, Army Lt. Col. Audricia Harris, who vigorously quashed the idea that any new policy has come out.
In this commentary, the writer goes through the various positions, which range from those who say there is no written policy specifically banning military members from owning pot stocks...to those who feel current policy is enough to threaten getting or keeping a security clearance...
One last interesting questions...if marijuana is legalized on the federal level...how will the military handle it?A reader commented on our story, pointing out that the relevant policy found in DoD Manual 5200.02 states that illegal or inappropriate involvement in drugs is out of bounds. With respect to personal use of illegal drugs, Section 7B.2 of the April 2017 revision is clear: “… agencies are prohibited from granting or renewing a security clearance to an unlawful user of a controlled substance, which includes marijuana. Legislative changes by some states and the District of Columbia do not alter federal law or existing national security guidelines.”
Fair enough. That’s the policy, and people decide at some point whether they’ll be law abiding or not, or how badly they want a security clearance.
But just above that, section 7B.1 states, as the reader noted, “Improper or illegal involvement with drugs raises questions regarding an individual’s willingness or ability to protect classified information.”
Illegal involvement strikes me as something people could reasonably agree on. If you import, manufacture, distribute, or sell, for example, like the badasses on “Breaking Bad.”
But what is “improper involvement?” For that matter, what does “raising questions” mean? Extend that to stock ownership in legal enterprises, and the latest interpretation, in my view, becomes so distantly derived from 5200.02 as to be indefensible.
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Oh, warning labels work. Gotcha.Chizzang wrote:I'm having a difficult time sussing out your point..?89Hen wrote: There are many things to consider. Prescription drugs in the wrong dosage or combination can be extremely harmful if not fatal. I get saying that if somebody wants to zone out on Percoset (sp?) that's there business, but what about a person that doesn't know that taking Fluoxetine and Phenelzine can be fatal? Oh well? With all the drug commercials out there, half the country is convinced they have plaque psoriasis with restless leg syndrome.
any prescription drug will print out clearly if it's the kind that cannot be mixed
beyond that advice of "do not mix" ... what's the point ?
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I bet there weren't many fights either.houndawg wrote:Not new or unique - In the late 70s weed was legal in Alaska, not decriminalized, legal. Everybody at Ft. Wainwright knew they were subject to the UCMJ. In the city limits of Fairbanks bars wouldn't allow smoking weed because customers don't drink as much when they're puffing. Outside the city limits at the Howling Dog the air was filled it. Open 24/7 in the summer with a pig always roasting and a bluegrass band playing, you had to use your watch to see what day it was because of the constant daylight.Col Hogan wrote:Marijuana is causing more problems in the military today than ever...no, use of pot is not up, up a complete set of unique issues has popped up...
Marijuana use is still illegal in the military, because marijuana is still illegal on the federal level. But more and more states are legalizing or decriminalizing its use...
So, the military has stepped up anti-drug briefings and testing...telling the young troops that just because their state has legalized or decriminalized pot, it’s still illegal for a military member to use cannabis...
I recently had a talk with an Army Command Sgt Major...he said after the Christmas mass leaves at his base, they will drug test everybody from the lowest Private up to the Commander because of marijuana...
And now, Pot Stocks are starting to cause serious concerns for people with security clearances...there is a growing debate among various factions that simply owning pot stocks can be a reason for someone losing their security clearance...
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temi ... ks-debate/
In this commentary, the writer goes through the various positions, which range from those who say there is no written policy specifically banning military members from owning pot stocks...to those who feel current policy is enough to threaten getting or keeping a security clearance...
One last interesting questions...if marijuana is legalized on the federal level...how will the military handle it?
Discuss.
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No, there weren't. The first thing upon entering was a sign reading: Check Guns and Knives at Bar.Grizalltheway wrote:I bet there weren't many fights either.houndawg wrote:
Not new or unique - In the late 70s weed was legal in Alaska, not decriminalized, legal. Everybody at Ft. Wainwright knew they were subject to the UCMJ. In the city limits of Fairbanks bars wouldn't allow smoking weed because customers don't drink as much when they're puffing. Outside the city limits at the Howling Dog the air was filled it. Open 24/7 in the summer with a pig always roasting and a bluegrass band playing, you had to use your watch to see what day it was because of the constant daylight.
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houndawg wrote:No, there weren't. The first thing upon entering was a sign reading: Check Guns and Knives at Bar.Grizalltheway wrote: I bet there weren't many fights either.
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Exactly.Winterborn wrote:This. I am against the legalization due to the social costs that will come from it, not because of the drugs themselves. Present a plan to put the cost of the healthcare issues stemming from using drugs on the user, not society in general, and I would be for it.AZGrizFan wrote:Healthcare cost.
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I say, “oh well”.89Hen wrote:Oh, warning labels work. Gotcha.Chizzang wrote:
I'm having a difficult time sussing out your point..?
any prescription drug will print out clearly if it's the kind that cannot be mixed
beyond that advice of "do not mix" ... what's the point ?
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And that was before there was an effective drug test for THC...I know, I spent the mid-70’s in Spain where Lebanese hash was prevalent....houndawg wrote: Not new or unique - In the late 70s weed was legal in Alaska, not decriminalized, legal. Everybody at Ft. Wainwright knew they were subject to the UCMJ. In the city limits of Fairbanks bars wouldn't allow smoking weed because customers don't drink as much when they're puffing. Outside the city limits at the Howling Dog the air was filled it. Open 24/7 in the summer with a pig always roasting and a bluegrass band playing, you had to use your watch to see what day it was because of the constant daylight.
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Col Hogan wrote:And that was before there was an effective drug test for THC...I know, I spent the mid-70’s in Spain where Lebanese hash was prevalent....houndawg wrote: Not new or unique - In the late 70s weed was legal in Alaska, not decriminalized, legal. Everybody at Ft. Wainwright knew they were subject to the UCMJ. In the city limits of Fairbanks bars wouldn't allow smoking weed because customers don't drink as much when they're puffing. Outside the city limits at the Howling Dog the air was filled it. Open 24/7 in the summer with a pig always roasting and a bluegrass band playing, you had to use your watch to see what day it was because of the constant daylight.
But that’s another story...
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