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As this is an extension of the UN Security Council, I haven't paid much attention to it, but now that Bolton is saying we aren't participating, my Leftist FB feed is talking about how Trump is doing this to hide his atrocities.
Related to this, did our troops have any sort of prosecutorial protection from the countries they were trying to liberate?
How about war crimes?
Related to this, did our troops have any sort of prosecutorial protection from the countries they were trying to liberate?
How about war crimes?
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Re: International Criminal Court
SeattleGriz wrote:C'mon. Spill it.
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Re: International Criminal Court
I don’t know about the ICC, but reference your question about troops, I have a little info...
During combat, troops are covered by the UCMJ and the Geneva Convention...
During other than combat operations, generally there is a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA)...
During the Obama Administration, the reason given for withdrawing our forces was the lack of a SOFA...
A SOFA outlines, among other things, how alleged crimes involving US personnel will be handled...
During combat, troops are covered by the UCMJ and the Geneva Convention...
During other than combat operations, generally there is a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA)...
During the Obama Administration, the reason given for withdrawing our forces was the lack of a SOFA...
A SOFA outlines, among other things, how alleged crimes involving US personnel will be handled...
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Yes!CAA Flagship wrote:SeattleGriz wrote:C'mon. Spill it.
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Re: International Criminal Court
Yes, they had qualified immunity via a MOU with the Iraqi government once it was stood up - the reconstituted Iraqi government was largely Shia (still is) and was all too happy to sign itSeattleGriz wrote:As this is an extension of the UN Security Council, I haven't paid much attention to it, but now that Bolton is saying we aren't participating, my Leftist FB feed is talking about how Trump is doing this to hide his atrocities.
Related to this, did our troops have any sort of prosecutorial protection from the countries they were trying to liberate?
How about war crimes?
for the invasion itself, there may not have been although Im sure a legal opinion was prepared to go
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I called it a MOU but SOFA was the actual term - thanksCol Hogan wrote:I don’t know about the ICC, but reference your question about troops, I have a little info...
During combat, troops are covered by the UCMJ and the Geneva Convention...
During other than combat operations, generally there is a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA)...
During the Obama Administration, the reason given for withdrawing our forces was the lack of a SOFA...
A SOFA outlines, among other things, how alleged crimes involving US personnel will be handled...
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Would a SOFA apply to somebody like Blackwater? Was anybody ever charged over hanging those guys from a bridge and setting them on fire?CID1990 wrote:I called it a MOU but SOFA was the actual term - thanksCol Hogan wrote:I don’t know about the ICC, but reference your question about troops, I have a little info...
During combat, troops are covered by the UCMJ and the Geneva Convention...
During other than combat operations, generally there is a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA)...
During the Obama Administration, the reason given for withdrawing our forces was the lack of a SOFA...
A SOFA outlines, among other things, how alleged crimes involving US personnel will be handled...
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They were taken care of the following weekhoundawg wrote:Would a SOFA apply to somebody like Blackwater? Was anybody ever charged over hanging those guys from a bridge and setting them on fire?CID1990 wrote:
I called it a MOU but SOFA was the actual term - thanks
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CID1990 wrote:They were taken care of the following weekhoundawg wrote:
Would a SOFA apply to somebody like Blackwater? Was anybody ever charged over hanging those guys from a bridge and setting them on fire?
And yes, the SOFA applied to contractors
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CID1990 wrote:CID1990 wrote:
They were taken care of the following week
And yes, the SOFA applied to contractors
Would an Eric Prince report to somebody in the military?
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No, the contract manager wouldhoundawg wrote:CID1990 wrote:
And yes, the SOFA applied to contractors
Would an Eric Prince report to somebody in the military?
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CID1990 wrote:No, the contract manager wouldhoundawg wrote:
Would an Eric Prince report to somebody in the military?
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Do the troops have to bail out the mercenaries if they get into a jam?
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I see the dead end you are leading yourself into... do you wish to continue?houndawg wrote:CID1990 wrote:
No, the contract manager would
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Do the troops have to bail out the mercenaries if they get into a jam?
The SOFA had nothing to do with whether or not the military gave assistance to contractors.
Rarely was it needed or requested though - we were attacked frequently and never once called for the QRF
and the military could come - or not - based on their discretion
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that is what I was wondering aboutCID1990 wrote:I see the dead end you are leading yourself into... do you wish to continue?houndawg wrote:
Do the troops have to bail out the mercenaries if they get into a jam?
The SOFA had nothing to do with whether or not the military gave assistance to contractors.
Rarely was it needed or requested though - we were attacked frequently and never once called for the QRF
and the military could come - or not - based on their discretion
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Re: International Criminal Court
Logically how could it be any other way?houndawg wrote:that is what I was wondering aboutCID1990 wrote:
I see the dead end you are leading yourself into... do you wish to continue?
The SOFA had nothing to do with whether or not the military gave assistance to contractors.
Rarely was it needed or requested though - we were attacked frequently and never once called for the QRF
and the military could come - or not - based on their discretion
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I don't know - I was wondering if the troops were obligated to bail out the mercenaries if the mercenaries got into a jam.CID1990 wrote:Logically how could it be any other way?houndawg wrote:
that is what I was wondering about
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There weren’t any mercenaries there.houndawg wrote:I don't know - I was wondering if the troops were obligated to bail out the mercenaries if the mercenaries got into a jam.CID1990 wrote:
Logically how could it be any other way?
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But if there were...?CID1990 wrote:There weren’t any mercenaries there.houndawg wrote:
I don't know - I was wondering if the troops were obligated to bail out the mercenaries if the mercenaries got into a jam.
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That isnt how the SOFA works. It was an agreement between the governments of the US and Iraq.SeattleGriz wrote:But if there were...?CID1990 wrote:
There weren’t any mercenaries there.
It has nothing to do with the military's "obligation" do do anything. They aren't "obligated" to do crap
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Sorry, I was teasing Houndawg over his insistence.CID1990 wrote:That isnt how the SOFA works. It was an agreement between the governments of the US and Iraq.SeattleGriz wrote:
But if there were...?
It has nothing to do with the military's "obligation" do do anything. They aren't "obligated" to do crap
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I didn't insist anything, I asked how it works and if it works the same for the civilian mercenaries from outfits like Blackwater. What is it that you think I'm insistent about?SeattleGriz wrote:Sorry, I was teasing Houndawg over his insistence.CID1990 wrote:
That isnt how the SOFA works. It was an agreement between the governments of the US and Iraq.
It has nothing to do with the military's "obligation" do do anything. They aren't "obligated" to do crap
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Blackwater contractors were protective details. They were not involved in offensive combat ops, and they did not serve with the military. They were not mercenaries.
You also do not appear to understand what the SOFA entailed
But now that you are clearer on what you are asking- the SOFA applied to ALL Americans working on behalf of the US government - the same immunities enjoyed by our soldiers also applied to every diplomat, contractor, and foreign militaries and their diplomats and contractors as well.
You also do not appear to understand what the SOFA entailed
But now that you are clearer on what you are asking- the SOFA applied to ALL Americans working on behalf of the US government - the same immunities enjoyed by our soldiers also applied to every diplomat, contractor, and foreign militaries and their diplomats and contractors as well.
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