I ride a lion into town and use a rattlesnake whip...AZGrizFan wrote:Says the old guy who can’t get out of his rocker.houndawg wrote:
Which is exactly what you'll do when the militia requires your service.
Since you're too old to serve in a militia you have no right to keep and bear arms. Unless you meant bare arms. Those you definitely got a right to even if you are no longer militia material.
I’ll keep AND bear arms, thanks tho.
houndawg wrote:I ride a lion into town and use a rattlesnake whip...AZGrizFan wrote:
Says the old guy who can’t get out of his rocker.
I’ll keep AND bear arms, thanks tho.
Illinois folk like to make grand entrances.AZGrizFan wrote:houndawg wrote:
I ride a lion into town and use a rattlesnake whip...
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018060 ... -committeeToday, the Senate Judicial and Community Affairs Committee voted 3-2 to defeat radical gun ban measure, Senate Bill 163. Introduced as Senate Bill 163 and pushed by Governor Carney, this anti-gun legislation sought to ban semi-automatic firearms commonly-owned for self-defense, target shooting and hunting. While this is an important step in the ultimate defeat of SB 163, this legislation will remain alive in the legislature until the end of session on June 30. NRA members must stay vigilant in their opposition to gun control this session.
One small step forward for the law abiding citizens of Delaware !!!93henfan wrote:YAAS!!! Big setback for the “Assault” Weapons Ban in Delaware this afternoon.https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018060 ... -committeeToday, the Senate Judicial and Community Affairs Committee voted 3-2 to defeat radical gun ban measure, Senate Bill 163. Introduced as Senate Bill 163 and pushed by Governor Carney, this anti-gun legislation sought to ban semi-automatic firearms commonly-owned for self-defense, target shooting and hunting. While this is an important step in the ultimate defeat of SB 163, this legislation will remain alive in the legislature until the end of session on June 30. NRA members must stay vigilant in their opposition to gun control this session.
Our State Senate is composed of 21 Senators; 11 Democrats and 10 Republicans. Two are pivotal in this matter. The first is Senator Bruce Ennis (D), retired DE State Trooper, of District 14, which I like to call the DMZ - home of Sambo's. It's the district separating Slower DE from the upstate horde (see pic at bottom of thread). He is the only Democrat against. Now, that should make it an 11-10 majority, right? Not so easy. One Republican, Greg Lavelle, is the Senator for District 4. It's as upstate as it gets, but is a 50/50 district with a lot of affluence. Lavelle is really feeing the heat on this one from both sides. I've explained earlier in the thread that this is a no-win for the man and we could only hope he voted his conscience, and he did!Col Hogan wrote:One small step forward for the law abiding citizens of Delaware !!!93henfan wrote:YAAS!!! Big setback for the “Assault” Weapons Ban in Delaware this afternoon.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018060 ... -committee
After months of listening to constituents, and following today’s hearing, I decided not to release SB 163 from committee. As we heard repeatedly today, this piece of legislation clearly violates Article 1, Section 20 of the Delaware Constitution. Unlike many on the other side of the aisle, I consider the Constitution the first hurdle any piece of legislation must get over, and this bill clearly fails that test. There are firearms listed in this legislation that are used for the defense of home, for hunting and for recreation. All of those uses are constitutionally guaranteed.
In addition, Senator Townsend testified in the committee hearing that as of today, there is no agreed-upon method by which legal gun owners would prove that they owned firearms prior to the implementation of the law. Legislation of this magnitude is too important to not be fully fleshed out prior to passage. The idea that we would figure it out over the next few months is woefully inadequate.
Additionally, it should be made clear that today’s outcome – the failure of SB 163 to pass out of committee – was the preferred and designed outcome of the Senate Democrats. Senator McBride and his leadership team never wanted this bill to see the floor, and they want to pin its demise on me for political gain in an election year. Senator McBride could have assigned this bill to any committee – including his own Executive committee. He did not. He chose this outcome so he and his caucus would not have to face a vote on the floor in the face of significant citizen opposition.
I have voted for and/or sponsored many pieces of sensible firearm legislation, including legislation to ban bump stocks, legislation to increase penalties for gun crimes and straw purchases, and the Beau Biden Gun Violence Act. I believe that our schools should increase their security measures in order to reduce the possibility of a tragic event like we have seen elsewhere this year. But as Maryland and others have learned, no amount of gun legislation will prevent a determined individual with evil in their hearts from acting on those impulses.
I believe we have taken great strides forward this session in keeping Delawareans safe. I look forward to working with my fellow legislators and the Governor to take additional steps this year, specifically in the area of school safety. And I believe we can do all of that while following our Constitution.
Lavelle is my state Senator ( we still have a Wilmington house, and we still vote there). Good, thoughtful guy. The Donks have been targeting him for years. The last Donk to hold that district was a crazy doctor who, thankfully, got beat after one undistinguished term.93henfan wrote:Our State Senate is composed of 21 Senators; 11 Democrats and 10 Republicans. Two are pivotal in this matter. The first is Senator Bruce Ennis (D), retired DE State Trooper, of District 14, which I like to call the DMZ - home of Sambo's. It's the district separating Slower DE from the upstate horde (see pic at bottom of thread). He is the only Democrat against. Now, that should make it an 11-10 majority, right? Not so easy. One Republican, Greg Lavelle, is the Senator for District 4. It's as upstate as it gets, but is a 50/50 district with a lot of affluence. Lavelle is really feeing the heat on this one from both sides. I've explained earlier in the thread that this is a no-win for the man and we could only hope he voted his conscience, and he did!Col Hogan wrote:
One small step forward for the law abiding citizens of Delaware !!!
Here's the word today from the man who made the difference. He actually invokes our, GASP, State Constitution. God bless him:
After months of listening to constituents, and following today’s hearing, I decided not to release SB 163 from committee. As we heard repeatedly today, this piece of legislation clearly violates Article 1, Section 20 of the Delaware Constitution. Unlike many on the other side of the aisle, I consider the Constitution the first hurdle any piece of legislation must get over, and this bill clearly fails that test. There are firearms listed in this legislation that are used for the defense of home, for hunting and for recreation. All of those uses are constitutionally guaranteed.
In addition, Senator Townsend testified in the committee hearing that as of today, there is no agreed-upon method by which legal gun owners would prove that they owned firearms prior to the implementation of the law. Legislation of this magnitude is too important to not be fully fleshed out prior to passage. The idea that we would figure it out over the next few months is woefully inadequate.
Additionally, it should be made clear that today’s outcome – the failure of SB 163 to pass out of committee – was the preferred and designed outcome of the Senate Democrats. Senator McBride and his leadership team never wanted this bill to see the floor, and they want to pin its demise on me for political gain in an election year. Senator McBride could have assigned this bill to any committee – including his own Executive committee. He did not. He chose this outcome so he and his caucus would not have to face a vote on the floor in the face of significant citizen opposition.
I have voted for and/or sponsored many pieces of sensible firearm legislation, including legislation to ban bump stocks, legislation to increase penalties for gun crimes and straw purchases, and the Beau Biden Gun Violence Act. I believe that our schools should increase their security measures in order to reduce the possibility of a tragic event like we have seen elsewhere this year. But as Maryland and others have learned, no amount of gun legislation will prevent a determined individual with evil in their hearts from acting on those impulses.
I believe we have taken great strides forward this session in keeping Delawareans safe. I look forward to working with my fellow legislators and the Governor to take additional steps this year, specifically in the area of school safety. And I believe we can do all of that while following our Constitution.
https://www.wdel.com/news/ban-on-assaul ... 8c6eb.html...Senate Bill 163 didn't pass out of committee, and therefore traditionally wouldn't make its way to the Senate floor.
But Thursday in a floor speech, Senate President Pro Tempore David McBride (D-Hawk's Nest) said since there's a great deal of public interest in the bill, he'll suspend the rules so the measure can be brought up for a full vote on Tuesday, June 19, 2018...
With Chief Justice Leo Fvcking Strine? Don’t count on the same result as the Bridgeville Gun Club case.93henfan wrote:Here we go. Tuesday is the moment of truth. Democrats suspend rules to bring the AWB up for a vote:
https://www.wdel.com/news/ban-on-assaul ... 8c6eb.html...Senate Bill 163 didn't pass out of committee, and therefore traditionally wouldn't make its way to the Senate floor.
But Thursday in a floor speech, Senate President Pro Tempore David McBride (D-Hawk's Nest) said since there's a great deal of public interest in the bill, he'll suspend the rules so the measure can be brought up for a full vote on Tuesday, June 19, 2018...
The bill is clearly unconstitutional and will get shot down by the Delaware Supreme Court should it pass.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 713255002/An effort to revive a proposed ban on the sale of assault weapons failed in the Delaware Senate on Tuesday, effectively defeating the most controversial gun control measure pending before the Legislature.
Two Democrats sided with Republicans in opposing the maneuver, including Sen. Brian Bushweller of Dover and Sen. Bruce Ennis, D-Smyrna. That left Democrats two votes short of the 11 needed to bring the measure to the floor...
Second Amendment advocates – many of whom filled the Senate chamber for Tuesday's vote – also have vowed to use Tuesday's vote to as a lever to unseat Democrats.
That posturing is indicative of the animosity surrounding the legislation that state Sen. Bryan Townsend, D-Newark, introduced March at Carney's urging...
93henfan wrote:YAAS, BITCH, YAAS!!!
Long live Article I, §20 of the Delaware Constitution! It’s the only thing that keeps us from being MD, NJ, NY, IL, CA etc.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 713255002/An effort to revive a proposed ban on the sale of assault weapons failed in the Delaware Senate on Tuesday, effectively defeating the most controversial gun control measure pending before the Legislature.
Two Democrats sided with Republicans in opposing the maneuver, including Sen. Brian Bushweller of Dover and Sen. Bruce Ennis, D-Smyrna. That left Democrats two votes short of the 11 needed to bring the measure to the floor...
Second Amendment advocates – many of whom filled the Senate chamber for Tuesday's vote – also have vowed to use Tuesday's vote to as a lever to unseat Democrats.
That posturing is indicative of the animosity surrounding the legislation that state Sen. Bryan Townsend, D-Newark, introduced March at Carney's urging...
Bryan Townsend sees himself as POTUS material. I know the guy. He’s like a white Obama: book-smart, but clueless.93henfan wrote:YAAS, BITCH, YAAS!!!
Long live Article I, §20 of the Delaware Constitution! It’s the only thing that keeps us from being MD, NJ, NY, IL, CA etc.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 713255002/An effort to revive a proposed ban on the sale of assault weapons failed in the Delaware Senate on Tuesday, effectively defeating the most controversial gun control measure pending before the Legislature.
Two Democrats sided with Republicans in opposing the maneuver, including Sen. Brian Bushweller of Dover and Sen. Bruce Ennis, D-Smyrna. That left Democrats two votes short of the 11 needed to bring the measure to the floor...
Second Amendment advocates – many of whom filled the Senate chamber for Tuesday's vote – also have vowed to use Tuesday's vote to as a lever to unseat Democrats.
That posturing is indicative of the animosity surrounding the legislation that state Sen. Bryan Townsend, D-Newark, introduced March at Carney's urging...
93henfan wrote:YAAS, BITCH, YAAS!!!
Long live Article I, §20 of the Delaware Constitution! It’s the only thing that keeps us from being MD, NJ, NY, IL, CA etc.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 713255002/An effort to revive a proposed ban on the sale of assault weapons failed in the Delaware Senate on Tuesday, effectively defeating the most controversial gun control measure pending before the Legislature.
Two Democrats sided with Republicans in opposing the maneuver, including Sen. Brian Bushweller of Dover and Sen. Bruce Ennis, D-Smyrna. That left Democrats two votes short of the 11 needed to bring the measure to the floor...
Second Amendment advocates – many of whom filled the Senate chamber for Tuesday's vote – also have vowed to use Tuesday's vote to as a lever to unseat Democrats.
That posturing is indicative of the animosity surrounding the legislation that state Sen. Bryan Townsend, D-Newark, introduced March at Carney's urging...
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
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No, it changes nothing for retirement because Delaware already prohibits SBRs and suppressors. I can Class III everything in WV and I will. In addition, nowhere in Delaware would tolerate the range I will build.BDKJMU wrote:93henfan wrote:YAAS, BITCH, YAAS!!!
Long live Article I, §20 of the Delaware Constitution! It’s the only thing that keeps us from being MD, NJ, NY, IL, CA etc.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 713255002/
Does this put the breaks on the compound in WV for retirement? (I was figuring not because the defeat of the bill is probably more like a decade or so reprieve before the gun grabbers get their way)..
Bump.Ivytalk wrote:Maybe Lavelle will survive, since two Donks (not just 1) voted against the assault weapons bill (Ennis and Bushweller, who is leaving the GA anyway).
If it weren't for my sons, I'd begin renting in Virginia this weekend.Senate Bill 68 seeks to outright ban the possession, purchase, manufacture, or sale of the most commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms in Delaware with limited exceptions. These firearms are popularly owned and used for self-defense, target shooting and hunting.
Senate Bill 69 seeks to impose a requirement that individuals obtain training and a permit in order to purchase a firearm in Delaware. Not only does this place another arbitrary hurdle on what is a Constitutionally-guaranteed right, it is a dangerous practice that could slow an individual’s ability to purchase a firearm for self-defense when they need it most. SB 69 is an egregious attempt to create more avenues to deny someone their Second Amendment rights, including discriminating against those who are financially less fortunate.
Senate Bill 70 seeks to outright ban the possession, purchase, sale, and manufacture, of any magazine that can hold more than 15 rounds of ammunition. Further, all currently covered magazines would need to be relinquished by June 30, 2020.
As soon as SB 68 passes, yes.Col Hogan wrote:Do you have to register weapons in DE?
Last year's attempted AWB was modeled after Maryland's. This year's is modeled after Connecticut's. And if this one doesn't pass, they'll just keep introducing it every year. They're trying to exhaust the resources of the Delaware Sportsman's Association, the local NRA-ILA affiliate.Col Hogan wrote:We already have CT and NY as examples of what happen when repressive governments try to institute registration...93henfan wrote:
If it happens, I'll register a couple of shotguns. That's it. Everything else gets dropped/lost in the lake.
In CT, it is estimated that less than 30% of the required weapons actually have been registered...
The Hartford Courant newspaper actually wrote an editorial calling on door-to-door raids on homes suspected of hiding unregistered weapons...
http://delcode.delaware.gov/constitutio ... n-02.shtml§ 20. Right to keep and bear arms.
Section 20. A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.
Delaware also has a pro-gun State Supreme Court.93henfan wrote:Last year's attempted AWB was modeled after Maryland's. This year's is modeled after Connecticut's. And if this one doesn't pass, they'll just keep introducing it every year. They're trying to exhaust the resources of the Delaware Sportsman's Association, the local NRA-ILA affiliate.Col Hogan wrote:
We already have CT and NY as examples of what happen when repressive governments try to institute registration...
In CT, it is estimated that less than 30% of the required weapons actually have been registered...
The Hartford Courant newspaper actually wrote an editorial calling on door-to-door raids on homes suspected of hiding unregistered weapons...
They know they're on shaky ground because of one very important phrase that some smart guy with a white wig wrote many, many years ago. From the Delaware Bill of Rights:
http://delcode.delaware.gov/constitutio ... n-02.shtml§ 20. Right to keep and bear arms.
Section 20. A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.
We are the only state with such a passage in our Constitution. It may help. We'll see.
I suspect that legislation as egregious as this will get a fast track there.Ivytalk wrote:Delaware also has a pro-gun State Supreme Court.93henfan wrote:
Last year's attempted AWB was modeled after Maryland's. This year's is modeled after Connecticut's. And if this one doesn't pass, they'll just keep introducing it every year. They're trying to exhaust the resources of the Delaware Sportsman's Association, the local NRA-ILA affiliate.
They know they're on shaky ground because of one very important phrase that some smart guy with a white wig wrote many, many years ago. From the Delaware Bill of Rights:
http://delcode.delaware.gov/constitutio ... n-02.shtml
We are the only state with such a passage in our Constitution. It may help. We'll see.
Delaware is a small state, so we have no intermediate appellate court. Appeals go straight from the trial court to the Supreme Court. Our Bridgeville Gun Club decision was a 3-2 ruling, with the hyper-Donk Chief Justice in the minority.CID1990 wrote:I suspect that legislation as egregious as this will get a fast track there.Ivytalk wrote: Delaware also has a pro-gun State Supreme Court.
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Unfortunately, our last Republican Governor served before Bill Clinton was sworn in for his first term, and those conservative justices won't live forever.Ivytalk wrote:Delaware is a small state, so we have no intermediate appellate court. Appeals go straight from the trial court to the Supreme Court. Our Bridgeville Gun Club decision was a 3-2 ruling, with the hyper-Donk Chief Justice in the minority.CID1990 wrote:
I suspect that legislation as egregious as this will get a fast track there.
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But Delaware has the political balance requirements on its courts, per state constitution.93henfan wrote:Unfortunately, our last Republican Governor served before Bill Clinton was sworn in for his first term, and those conservative justices won't live forever.Ivytalk wrote: Delaware is a small state, so we have no intermediate appellate court. Appeals go straight from the trial court to the Supreme Court. Our Bridgeville Gun Club decision was a 3-2 ruling, with the hyper-Donk Chief Justice in the minority.
3-2 is all they need.Ivytalk wrote:But Delaware has the political balance requirements on its courts, per state constitution.93henfan wrote:
Unfortunately, our last Republican Governor served before Bill Clinton was sworn in for his first term, and those conservative justices won't live forever.
