GOAT - Brady vs Jordan

[Gil Dobie]

All of these could be in the conversation, in no particular order:

Tom Brady
Michael Jordan
Tiger Woods
Jack Nicklaus
Wayne Gretzky
Roger Federer
Greg Maddux
Babe Ruth
Hussein Bolt
Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Pele
Jim Brown
Walter Payton

I mean, the list goes on and on. And like music, beer or anything else, there is no right or wrong answer.

Usain Bolt...

Ty Cobb

[Grizalltheway]

You could insert any top-tier QB from the last 30 years and probably get the same results.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm convinced that Brett Favre was wildly overrated. I'm sure he would've found some way to force a pass and turn the ball over in a critical spot and not win nearly as many as Brady did.

So you're saying he wasn't really a top tier QB? My point still stands then.

[kalm]

Dave Dickinson

[AZGrizFan]

All of these could be in the conversation, in no particular order:

Tom Brady
Michael Jordan
Tiger Woods
Jack Nicklaus
Wayne Gretzky
Roger Federer
Greg Maddux
Babe Ruth
Hussein Bolt
Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Pele
Jim Brown
Walter Payton

I mean, the list goes on and on. And like music, beer or anything else, there is no right or wrong answer.

Slow day at the Credit Union?

Why? That list rattled off my head in about 15 seconds...

[Ibanez]

Usain Bolt...

Ty Cobb

Usain not Hussein.

[AZGrizFan]

Ty Cobb

Usain not Hussein.

Yeah. I got it. Thanks.

[Ibanez]

Usain not Hussein.

Yeah. I got it. Thanks.

I had to do it.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah. I got it. Thanks.

I had to do it.

Of course you did. He's a studio runner. Not a guest runner.

[Ibanez]

I had to do it.

Of course you did. He's a studio runner. Not a guest runner.

Let's call things what they are, otherwise what's the fucking point? Words matter. Facts matter. We should try to be accurate when we say things and have discussions. Do you disagree? Otherwise, what is the point? We should try to be correct and then be mature when we make a mistake or misunderstand something. I'm sure you have no problem with people using the incorrect banking/accounting terms all the time.


I know..I shouldn't expect people to actually understand the words they're using.

[AZGrizFan]

Of course you did. He's a studio runner. Not a guest runner.

Let's call things what they are, otherwise what's the fucking point? Words matter. Facts matter. We should try to be accurate when we say things and have discussions. Do you disagree? Otherwise, what is the point? We should try to be correct and then be mature when we make a mistake or misunderstand something. I'm sure you have no problem with people using the incorrect banking/accounting terms all the time.


I know..I shouldn't expect people to actually understand the words they're using.

[Grizalltheway]

Of course you did. He's a studio runner. Not a guest runner.

Let's call things what they are, otherwise what's the fucking point? Words matter. Facts matter. We should try to be accurate when we say things and have discussions. Do you disagree? Otherwise, what is the point? We should try to be correct and then be mature when we make a mistake or misunderstand something. I'm sure you have no problem with people using the incorrect banking/accounting terms all the time.


I know..I shouldn't expect people to actually understand the words they're using.

Irregardless, you don't need to be over the moon about it.

[GannonFan]

Let's call things what they are, otherwise what's the **** point? Words matter. Facts matter. We should try to be accurate when we say things and have discussions. Do you disagree? Otherwise, what is the point? We should try to be correct and then be mature when we make a mistake or misunderstand something. I'm sure you have no problem with people using the incorrect banking/accounting terms all the time.


I know..I shouldn't expect people to actually understand the words they're using.

Irregardless, you don't need to be over the moon about it.

[Gil Dobie]

Norval Baptie - Undefeated in professional speed skating from 1905 to around 1920. Won nearly 5000 races in his career.

[AZGrizFan]

Let's call things what they are, otherwise what's the fucking point? Words matter. Facts matter. We should try to be accurate when we say things and have discussions. Do you disagree? Otherwise, what is the point? We should try to be correct and then be mature when we make a mistake or misunderstand something. I'm sure you have no problem with people using the incorrect banking/accounting terms all the time.


I know..I shouldn't expect people to actually understand the words they're using.

Irregardless, you don't need to be over the moon about it.

I could care less.

[SuperHornet]

Neither.

Brady's barely third best in New England, much less the rest of the league. He had tons of help, and there's at least SOME evidence that he may have cheated. Plus, he has the advantage of having a coach in his ear rather than having to do it all himself.

Additionally, while Jordan may well be the best in Chicago history, I'll take E. Johnson, Bird, and Erving over him any day of the week....

[SuperHornet]

AZ makes a good argument, though I'd delete Bryant and add Bench....

[Gil Dobie]

[Ibanez]

Neither.

Brady's barely third best in New England, much less the rest of the league. He had tons of help, and there's at least SOME evidence that he may have cheated. Plus, he has the advantage of having a coach in his ear rather than having to do it all himself.

Additionally, while Jordan may well be the best in Chicago history, I'll take E. Johnson, Bird, and Erving over him any day of the week....

Johnson, Bird and Dr.J -all are really great players. Truly incredible.

But better than Jordan?

[Gil Dobie]

Neither.

Brady's barely third best in New England, much less the rest of the league. He had tons of help, and there's at least SOME evidence that he may have cheated. Plus, he has the advantage of having a coach in his ear rather than having to do it all himself.

Additionally, while Jordan may well be the best in Chicago history, I'll take E. Johnson, Bird, and Erving over him any day of the week....

Johnson, Bird and Dr.J -all are really great players. Truly incredible.

But better than Jordan?

All different types of players. I would take any of the 4 as pretty much equal, just filling a different part of the team.

6 Rings, 6 MVPs (a record in all sports) and scored the most points ever 3 NCAA MVPs and won 3 NCAA titles, and he fought Bruce Lee.

[AZGrizFan]

Neither.

Brady's barely third best in New England, much less the rest of the league. He had tons of help, and there's at least SOME evidence that he may have cheated. Plus, he has the advantage of having a coach in his ear rather than having to do it all himself.

Additionally, while Jordan may well be the best in Chicago history, I'll take E. Johnson, Bird, and Erving over him any day of the week....

Johnson, Bird and Dr.J -all are really great players. Truly incredible.

But better than Jordan?

I'd put Johnson and Bird both above Jordan. Both made the players around them 1000% better. Jordan just carried the team himself. Dr. J, juuuuust below him.

[Gil Dobie]

In 1925 Ty Cobb said it was not a great feet to hit home runs. In 1925, a 38 year old Cobb put on a demonstration. On May 5th, Cobb went 6-6 with 3 home runs and 5 RBI's, on May 6th Cobb went 3-6 with 2 home runs and 6 RBI's. Pretty much proved his points. He went back to his normal stance after that.