2018 NFL Season Thread

[Ibanez]

I agree. I don't see kneeling as disrespectful.

Also - the message has been distorted. The players are kneeling during the National Anthem to protest the treatment of blacks (I don't quite understand that logic but that's it.) They are NOT protesting the national anthem or the flag. It's not a matter of patriotism.

Besides - you'd think this would be something that the right would love. Look at these people exercising their 1A right to peacefully protest. It's a great lesson.

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

[89Hen]

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

Not at work. I can't surf porn at work. I can't smoke a cigarette at work. I can't wear a bathing suit at work. Why is this sticky?

[BDKJMU]

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

Zero stickiness due to civil rights 1A violation. Take the NFL out of at. What career field at work, in uniform, representing employer do you have a 1A right to protest? If you have a ‘right’ to protest it will be due to an employee or union contract, rules set forth by the employer, not the 1A.

Now if the players had been saying they had a right to kneel because it wasn’t specifically prohibited in their union contract (although I thought the NFL game day field manual said everyone had to stand) then that would be one thing. But they kept on bringing up this non existent at work IA right.

[BDKJMU]

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

Not at work. I can't surf porn at work. I can't smoke a cigarette at work. I can't wear a bathing suit at work. Why is this sticky?

Bingo.

[css75]

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

If it is a government issue yes. They are employees and can be told not to kneel. Employees do not have that right. If the NFL had fined Kaepernick when he knelt the first time, this would have gone away then.


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[CID1990]

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

They're saying they can't engage in speech that is contrary to the organization's mission (making money)- there is a load of precedent favoring the NFL

private employers are generally not constrained from limiting "speech" except in cases involving union activities

private companies fire people all the time for "speech" - see the woman who flipped the bird at Arlington Nat Cemetery that time and posted it on social media


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[dbackjon]

I agree. I don't see kneeling as disrespectful.

Also - the message has been distorted. The players are kneeling during the National Anthem to protest the treatment of blacks (I don't quite understand that logic but that's it.) They are NOT protesting the national anthem or the flag. It's not a matter of patriotism.

Besides - you'd think this would be something that the right would love. Look at these people exercising their 1A right to peacefully protest. It's a great lesson.

No you wouldn’t, because there is no 1st Amendment right to protest in this instance. When you’re an employee at work, in uniform, representing your employer, you have no 1st Amendment right to protest. ZERO. It doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or (insert your job/career field here). That is the lesson which a lot of people can’t grasp when they claim the players are exercising 1st amendment rights.

Does your employer take money from another company, then march you all out to sing that company's song every day before you go to work?

[JohnStOnge]

This belongs in the political forum but I'll go ahead and say it's ridiculous. Yes, a private organization has a right to say that those associated with it must behave in certain ways in order to be associated with it.

But the fact that this is an issue is a problem. I mean the fact that there is this cultural thing where people have to treat an inanimate object like a flag as though it's an idol. Yes I know that the claim is that it's disrespect for what the flag represents. But what the flag represents is liberty; including people being free to say what they want and express their opinions without fear of reprisal.

It is sad that we have enough people in this country who would give a shit if NFL players kneel during the National Anthem to allow for a situation like this to develop.

[Ibanez]

I thins that's a sticky situation and potentially violating someone's civil rights by saying they can't kneel.

Zero stickiness due to civil rights 1A violation. Take the NFL out of at. What career field at work, in uniform, representing employer do you have a 1A right to protest? If you have a ‘right’ to protest it will be due to an employee or union contract, rules set forth by the employer, not the 1A.

Now if the players had been saying they had a right to kneel because it wasn’t specifically prohibited in their union contract (although I thought the NFL game day field manual said everyone had to stand) then that would be one thing. But they kept on bringing up this non existent at work IA right.

It might be my experience but I know people that have joined a protest, all while wearing company shirts. That was 1 year ago and they are still working with me. One of them is in the background of a picture taken from the newspaper.

[CID1990]

Zero stickiness due to civil rights 1A violation. Take the NFL out of at. What career field at work, in uniform, representing employer do you have a 1A right to protest? If you have a ‘right’ to protest it will be due to an employee or union contract, rules set forth by the employer, not the 1A.

Now if the players had been saying they had a right to kneel because it wasn’t specifically prohibited in their union contract (although I thought the NFL game day field manual said everyone had to stand) then that would be one thing. But they kept on bringing up this non existent at work IA right.

It might be my experience but I know people that have joined a protest, all while wearing company shirts. That was 1 year ago and they are still working with me. One of them is in the background of a picture taken from the newspaper.

Mmm hmm

standby for what the protest was about and we'll have our answer to that one

the employer choosing not to jack them up doesn't mean they cant


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[93henfan]

It might be my experience but I know people that have joined a protest, all while wearing company shirts. That was 1 year ago and they are still working with me. One of them is in the background of a picture taken from the newspaper.

Mmm hmm

standby for what the protest was about and we'll have our answer to that one

the employer choosing not to jack them up doesn't mean they cant


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Negroes

[Ibanez]

It might be my experience but I know people that have joined a protest, all while wearing company shirts. That was 1 year ago and they are still working with me. One of them is in the background of a picture taken from the newspaper.

Mmm hmm

standby for what the protest was about and we'll have our answer to that one

the employer choosing not to jack them up doesn't mean they cant


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It was white people. And I don't recall, to be honest. It wasn't police brutality or immigration. Might've been a pipeline, but we finance the pipelines. So I don't know. I just remember people leaving the building and joining in.

[CID1990]

Mmm hmm

standby for what the protest was about and we'll have our answer to that one

the employer choosing not to jack them up doesn't mean they cant


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It was white people. And I don't recall, to be honest. It wasn't police brutality or immigration. Might've been a pipeline, but we finance the pipelines. So I don't know. I just remember people leaving the building and joining in.

right

but it is irrelevant - your employer elected not to pursue it... and why would they? protests arent costing them those government contracts

if they do, watch your protester colleagues cleaning out their desks on the same day


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[Ibanez]

Mmm hmm

standby for what the protest was about and we'll have our answer to that one

the employer choosing not to jack them up doesn't mean they cant


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Negroes

I remember. It was the corner of Trade and Tryon and I think they were protesting a group of young people that were "marching" against the military and immigrants. There was a Arab man there that served in the USMC and he was counter protesting. I work in InfoSec which hires a lot of veterans and people from the DoD world.


So I guess they were counter protesting. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. It was near work, which usually, the protesters target Bank of America, Wells Fargo, BB&T. The only other protest around us that I can remember is when a group of black guys, in military garb, were railing against white people.

[93henfan]

Oh. I thought there was some sort of negro uprising in Charlotte a year or so ago.

I can't keep track of all the negroes who resist arrest and then are shocked when they get their shit corrected by a cop.

[Ibanez]

It was white people. And I don't recall, to be honest. It wasn't police brutality or immigration. Might've been a pipeline, but we finance the pipelines. So I don't know. I just remember people leaving the building and joining in.

right

but it is irrelevant - your employer elected not to pursue it... and why would they? protests arent costing them those government contracts

if they do, watch your protester colleagues cleaning out their desks on the same day


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Like I said, it's my experience. Anecdotal. I understand and don't deny what everyone here has said. I'm practical - but I also understand the environment our country is in right now. Not too many people are going to get fired for joining in on a protest for someone hot topic like Police Brutality or Immigration Reform.

[Ibanez]

Oh. I thought there was some sort of negro uprising in Charlotte a year or so ago.

I can't keep track of all the negroes who resist arrest and then are shocked when they get their shit corrected by a cop.

There was...but that was at night. September 2016. They marched on I77 and into Uptown, to the intersection of Trade & Tryon. That's where they went looting, beating white people and even killed a black man.

[93henfan]

Oh. I thought there was some sort of negro uprising in Charlotte a year or so ago.

I can't keep track of all the negroes who resist arrest and then are shocked when they get their shit corrected by a cop.

There was...but that was at night. September 2016. They marched on I77 and into Uptown, to the intersection of Trade & Tryon. That's where they went looting, beating white people and even killed a black man.

Those white people finally got their privilege checked. They deserved it.

[Ibanez]

There was...but that was at night. September 2016. They marched on I77 and into Uptown, to the intersection of Trade & Tryon. That's where they went looting, beating white people and even killed a black man.

Those white people finally got their privilege checked. They deserved it.

I love the irony of the current movement.

"Hey! You shouldn't judge us just because we have black skin. Now, excuse me while I participate in a protest about white people being born white!"

[Gil Dobie]

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Terrell Owens won't be attending the Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony.

"While I am incredibly appreciative of this opportunity, I have made the decision to publicly decline my invitation to attend the induction ceremony in Canton," Owens said in a statement released Thursday. "... After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life, elsewhere."

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[93henfan]

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[93henfan]

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Watch that knee, Fred Astaire.

[BDKJMU]

“The NFL and National Football League Players Association have agreed to halt enforcement of rules regarding the new national anthem policy while the two sides work on a resolution.

The league and its players union issued a joint statement late Thursday, hours after The Associated Press reported that Miami Dolphins players who protest on the field during the anthem could be suspended for up to four games under a team policy issued this week.

"The NFL and NFLPA, through recent discussions, have been working on a resolution to the anthem issue. In order to allow this constructive dialogue to continue, we have come to a standstill agreement on the NFLPA's grievance and on the NFL's anthem policy. No new rules relating to the anthem will be issued or enforced for the next several weeks while these confidential discussions are ongoing," the statement read....”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apnewsbreak- ... 04448.html