Joe Flacco's next contract..

[GannonFan]

If Joe's wife made what Tom's wife makes, Joe would take a lower contract too.

While you're at it:
If Joe were Tom he wouldn't throw 25 interceptions a year
and he'd have better pocket awareness
and he wouldn't bounce his check-down passes at the running backs feet
He'd look left before throwing right to move the safety instead of starring down his primary


But Joe's not Tom...

Brady has gotten to throw to Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron "I'll Kill You" Hernandez, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown. And has mostly had at least one of those guys at the same time. Again, the best Flacco had was Ray Rice and then both Steve Smith and Anquan Boldin in retirement years. Brady's WR's (many who were good/great before Brady - Moss, Branch, and Brown have more receptions from QB's not named Brady) are >>>>> better than Flacco's. And we haven't even gotten into the video surveillance advantage - Joe's been held back by the Ravens playing by the rules.

[Chizzang]

While you're at it:
If Joe were Tom he wouldn't throw 25 interceptions a year
and he'd have better pocket awareness
and he wouldn't bounce his check-down passes at the running backs feet
He'd look left before throwing right to move the safety instead of starring down his primary


But Joe's not Tom...

Brady has gotten to throw to Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron "I'll Kill You" Hernandez, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown. And has mostly had at least one of those guys at the same time. Again, the best Flacco had was Ray Rice and then both Steve Smith and Anquan Boldin in retirement years. Brady's WR's (many who were good/great before Brady - Moss, Branch, and Brown have more receptions from QB's not named Brady) are >>>>> better than Flacco's. And we haven't even gotten into the video surveillance advantage - Joe's been held back by the Ravens playing by the rules.

That's a whole bunch of really weak sauce...
and doesn't respond to anything I asked above - like bounced check down passes and looking off the safety
Things that Wentz (like Brady) already has figured out in year 2

and to prove how bad your point is
Troy Brown couldn't make any NFL roster - he was cut
Wes Welker was let go by the Dolphins and seen as a "project"
Dion Branch went to Seattle after New England and SUCKED
Randy Moss had the worst 2 years stretch of his career before the Patriots dusted him off

Brady makes players better - you just need to deal with that actual FACT
Hating him is common but it doesn't change that fact

[89Hen]

Hating him is common but it doesn't change that fact

Pretty sure you've been a Flacco hater his whole career.

From 2012...

If I was a GM and had Flacco
I'd trade Flacco for Stafford right now (in a minute)
and just about any GM would

[Chizzang]

Hating him is common but it doesn't change that fact

Pretty sure you've been a Flacco hater his whole career.

From 2012...

If I was a GM and had Flacco
I'd trade Flacco for Stafford right now (in a minute)
and just about any GM would

Hate..?
I'm a stats guy and I gamble on football so I pay attention to bad values and good values
Is that statement I posted in 2012 not true, Stafford has out performed Flacco in every category

To your point however:
Flacco had probably one of THE best post seasons in NFL history on that Super Bowl run
and he parlayed that into one of the NFL's worst long term contracts (or best if you're Flacco)
However: The guy did a great service to all QB's in the NFL

I'm not sure how you're taking my post from 2012 as hate..?
It's fact / not hate

Here's an example:
There's a metric out there for QB's that is essentially Q.Points per 100 snaps over their career
This is an accumulation of things like completions / Interceptions / TD's / First Downs / yards per snap
It's a pretty compelling way to measure QB's over long spans of time

Quality Points per 100 Snaps Flacco 11.1 Stafford 23.3
The Average Starting NFL QB is 18.00 points per 100 snaps
Carson Wentz right now is a 28.3 per 100 snaps (Holy cow!)

Jeezus man that's not even competitive right there
It's not about HATE... Tell me what's to like about Flacco..?

[GannonFan]

It's not about HATE... Tell me what's to like about Flacco..?

Flacco has this.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons(Russell Wilson tied record)
Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason
Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Stafford has been to the playoffs 3 times and lost all three. But you're right, if you're playing Fantasy Football, Stafford is your guy.

[Chizzang]

It's not about HATE... Tell me what's to like about Flacco..?

Flacco has this.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons(Russell Wilson tied record)
Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason
Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Stafford has been to the playoffs 3 times and lost all three. But you're right, if you're playing Fantasy Football, Stafford is your guy.

By that logic Brady is the greatest of all time then right..?
and Dan Marino is slightly above average ..?

Which I might not argue against - I'm still debating those

but take a minute and see how the NFL players feel
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/poll ... bs-in-nfl/

[tribe_pride]

Flacco has this.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons(Russell Wilson tied record)
Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason
Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Stafford has been to the playoffs 3 times and lost all three. But you're right, if you're playing Fantasy Football, Stafford is your guy.

By that logic Brady is the greatest of all time then right..?
and Dan Marino is slightly above average ..?

Which I might not argue against - I'm still debating those

but take a minute and see how the NFL players feel
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/poll ... bs-in-nfl/

Trying to figure out how Cutler is overrated. Who overrates him?

[89Hen]

Trying to figure out how Cutler is overrated. Who overrates him?

Yeah, for a "stats guy" Cleets really stepped on his dick on that one. To be most overrated means a lot of people hold you in high regard, for who knows... maybe Super Bowl rings.

[Chizzang]

Trying to figure out how Cutler is overrated. Who overrates him?

Yeah, for a "stats guy" Cleets really stepped on his dick on that one. To be most overrated means a lot of people hold you in high regard, for who knows... maybe Super Bowl rings.

Ooh yeah you got me..
I made a color chart and did an entire series of NFL players interviews

[bandl]

By that logic Brady is the greatest of all time then right..?
and Dan Marino is slightly above average ..?

Which I might not argue against - I'm still debating those

but take a minute and see how the NFL players feel
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/poll ... bs-in-nfl/

Trying to figure out how Cutler is overrated. Who overrates him?

Anyone who employs him...

[89Hen]

Yeah, for a "stats guy" Cleets really stepped on his dick on that one. To be most overrated means a lot of people hold you in high regard, for who knows... maybe Super Bowl rings.

Ooh yeah you got me..
I made a color chart and did an entire series of NFL players interviews

YOU posted it.

[Chizzang]

How about this one...

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/9 ... 52/photo/1

[93henfan]

How about this one...

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/9 ... 52/photo/1

Four Super Bowl rings on the bottom five QBs there.

[GannonFan]

How about this one...

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/9 ... 52/photo/1

Four Super Bowl rings on the bottom five QBs there.

Chizz doesn't care about rings - he's out buying a Tyrod Taylor jersey as we speak.

[UNI88]

Four Super Bowl rings on the bottom five QBs there.

Chizz doesn't care about rings - he's out buying a Tyrod Taylor jersey as we speak.

Rings are the goal but they don't tell the whole story. Was Dilfer better than Marino? Flacco was a very good QB early in his career but was has he done lately? Some of that is/was the team around him but some of it is him. Great QBs make their teammates better.

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[93henfan]

Chizz doesn't care about rings - he's out buying a Tyrod Taylor jersey as we speak.

Rings are the goal but they don't tell the whole story. Was Dilfer better than Marino? Flacco was a very good QB early in his career but was has he done lately? Some of that is/was the team around him but some of it is him. Great QBs make their teammates better.

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Ask the man himself. He's already on record saying he has stunk this year.

And as GF correctly mentioned, they've never surrounded him with weapons, so he has never had bling stats, save for the playoffs in their Super Bowl season. The Ravens have always been a defense-first team.

Meanwhile, Joe has more money than any of us here will ever have in ten lifetimes and a Super Bowl ring and MVP trophy. I think he'll manage.

[GannonFan]

Rings are the goal but they don't tell the whole story. Was Dilfer better than Marino? Flacco was a very good QB early in his career but was has he done lately? Some of that is/was the team around him but some of it is him. Great QBs make their teammates better.

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Ask the man himself. He's already on record saying he has stunk this year.

And as GF correctly mentioned, they've never surrounded him with weapons, so he has never had bling stats, save for the playoffs in their Super Bowl season. The Ravens have always been a defense-first team.

Meanwhile, Joe has more money than any of us here will ever have in ten lifetimes and a Super Bowl ring and MVP trophy. I think he'll manage.

Of course Dilfer wasn't better than Marino. But even when talking about the ring, there's more than just being on the team that won it. Dilfer has as many rings as Flacco but Flacco earned his - look again, first (and I think only) QB ever to have over 100 passing rating in four games in the same postseason, and that included winning the Super Bowl (think his passer rating in that Super Bowl is still in the top 10 of all time). Dilfer was along for the ride, while Flacco was driving the bus.

As for Marino and this "great QB's make their teammates better", that's a fun saying that means very little. Are you saying that Jerry Rice wouldn't have still been great if Montana and Young weren't throwing to him? As for Marino, he's a perfect example. He came into the league and could throw to guys like Duper and Clayton and he had a formidable offensive line in front of him. When the Dolphins failed to restock those positions, Marino found himself behind a weak offensive line and throwing to OJ McDuffie (who would still be a significant upgrade over anything Flacco has had to throw to).

[Chizzang]

I'm not the one paying Joe Flacco $34,000,000.00 to be awful
and I'm not Delaware alumni with hurt feelings defending the impossible to defend

I'm just trolling along... wondering out loud if Joe is elite

[93henfan]

I'm not the one paying Joe Flacco $34,000,000.00 to be awful
and I'm not Delaware alumni with hurt feelings defending the impossible to defend

I'm just trolling along... wondering out loud if Joe is elite

I thought we made clear, he was elite for sure for two months in early 2013. He certainly isn't now. Who has hurt feelings? We Delaware alumni are rightfully proud of the two great NFL QBs we've produced in Gannon and Flacco. Has any other FCS school had such success with NFL QBs?

Any further questions?

[Chizzang]

I'm not the one paying Joe Flacco $34,000,000.00 to be awful
and I'm not Delaware alumni with hurt feelings defending the impossible to defend

I'm just trolling along... wondering out loud if Joe is elite

I thought we made clear, he was elite for sure for two months in early 2013. He certainly isn't now. Who has hurt feelings? We Delaware alumni are rightfully proud of the two great NFL QBs we've produced in Gannon and Flacco. Has any other FCS school had such success with NFL QBs?

Any further questions?

There are so many questions...
and yes, the feelings are obviously hurt (tuck rule... *cough) based on the ferocity of the defense of mediocrity
Question No.1 who's Gannon..?
Is he the guy in the Brady highlights..?

[93henfan]

I thought we made clear, he was elite for sure for two months in early 2013. He certainly isn't now. Who has hurt feelings? We Delaware alumni are rightfully proud of the two great NFL QBs we've produced in Gannon and Flacco. Has any other FCS school had such success with NFL QBs?

Any further questions?

There are so many questions...
and yes, the feelings are obviously hurt (tuck rule... *cough) based on the ferocity of the defense of mediocrity

Could somebody translate this post for me?

[93henfan]

So what, are we going to base every QB comparison to Brady? Sure, Brady's going to beat every one. He's the greatest ever. I don't disagree. You picked a great team/player to front-run with. Which team will you pick next after Brady retires?

[Chizzang]

So what, are we going to base every QB comparison to Brady? Sure, Brady's going to beat every one. He's the greatest ever. I don't disagree. You picked a great team/player to front-run with. Which team will you pick next after Brady retires?

Brad Johnson
Is this Gannon guy better than Brad Johnson..?

[93henfan]

So what, are we going to base every QB comparison to Brady? Sure, Brady's going to beat every one. He's the greatest ever. I don't disagree. You picked a great team/player to front-run with. Which team will you pick next after Brady retires?

Brad Johnson
Is this Gannon guy better than Brad Johnson..?

A good guy to check with would be "Gannon"Fan.

But seriously, have you decided who your next team will be after Brady retires? There are a bunch of teenage boy relatives of mine who adopted Brady and the Pats and they're going to need to know who to root for next. If you could tip me, I'd be much obliged.

[Chizzang]

Brad Johnson
Is this Gannon guy better than Brad Johnson..?

A good guy to check with would be "Gannon"Fan.

But seriously, have you decided who your next team will be after Brady retires? There are a bunch of teenage boy relatives of mine who adopted Brady and the Pats and they're going to need to know who to root for next. If you could tip me, I'd be much obliged.

So you know that I lived in Boston (twice) right..?
Here's my tip: my next player up after Brady retires will be Joe Flacco