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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby dal4018 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:52 pm

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Mvemjsunpx wrote:No offense to Kupp, but I think that says more about the Rams than it does about him. :?


No, I don't think it does. He is gonna be great and would start on most teams, I believe.

Kupp has 68 grabs 879 yds 7 tds these stats are better than Dez Bryant 66 grabs 779 yds 5 tds.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby GannonFan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:50 pm

dal4018 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
No, I don't think it does. He is gonna be great and would start on most teams, I believe.

Kupp has 68 grabs 879 yds 7 tds these stats are better than Dez Bryant 66 grabs 779 yds 5 tds.


Dez Bryant is done. Not sure what happened to him but he looks like a guy on his way out of the league. He's more like a good tight end now than an elite WR.
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Chizzang » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:28 pm

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dal4018 wrote:Kupp has 68 grabs 879 yds 7 tds these stats are better than Dez Bryant 66 grabs 779 yds 5 tds.


Dez Bryant is done. Not sure what happened to him but he looks like a guy on his way out of the league. He's more like a good tight end now than an elite WR.


I was just talking about Dez...
There's nothing wrong with Dez Bryant
Every team in the NFL has a receiver (or two) that perform similar statistically

The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts

Dez is a perfectly fine receiver
Worth about $4.5 Mil
Presently he's being paid $16,000,000.00

And that is entirely the cowboys fault

Next:
Kirk Cousins
A soon to be 30 year old quarterback that has never won a meaningful game
and does't make anyone around him better (like some other QB's tend to do)

He's already extremely wealthy
I wouldn't touch him for a penny over $15.5 Mil a year
The Redskins need to just let him go to Denver (after driving up the price a little)
Ideally forcing Denver to pay him the $25 Mill a year he just isn't worth
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby dal4018 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:51 am

Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Dez Bryant is done. Not sure what happened to him but he looks like a guy on his way out of the league. He's more like a good tight end now than an elite WR.


I was just talking about Dez...
There's nothing wrong with Dez Bryant
Every team in the NFL has a receiver (or two) that perform similar statistically

The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts

Dez is a perfectly fine receiver
Worth about $4.5 Mil
Presently he's being paid $16,000,000.00

And that is entirely the cowboys fault

Next:
Kirk Cousins
A soon to be 30 year old quarterback that has never won a meaningful game
and does't make anyone around him better (like some other QB's tend to do)

He's already extremely wealthy
I wouldn't touch him for a penny over $15.5 Mil a year
The Redskins need to just let him go to Denver (after driving up the price a little)
Ideally forcing Denver to pay him the $25 Mill a year he just isn't worth
The Cowboys offense centers around Elliott too much in my personal opinion ppl are calling Prescott a GAME MANAGER I personally HATE THIS TERM it tells me that the team has NO CONFIDENCE in the starting QB!!!! Dez still has plenty left over in the tank he needs to go into the off season and comeback in great shape and shut his critics down and I'm a devout Steelers fan since the '70s.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Vidav » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:39 am

dal4018 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I was just talking about Dez...
There's nothing wrong with Dez Bryant
Every team in the NFL has a receiver (or two) that perform similar statistically

The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts

Dez is a perfectly fine receiver
Worth about $4.5 Mil
Presently he's being paid $16,000,000.00

And that is entirely the cowboys fault

Next:
Kirk Cousins
A soon to be 30 year old quarterback that has never won a meaningful game
and does't make anyone around him better (like some other QB's tend to do)

He's already extremely wealthy
I wouldn't touch him for a penny over $15.5 Mil a year
The Redskins need to just let him go to Denver (after driving up the price a little)
Ideally forcing Denver to pay him the $25 Mill a year he just isn't worth
The Cowboys offense centers around Elliott too much in my personal opinion ppl are calling Prescott a GAME MANAGER I personally HATE THIS TERM it tells me that the team has NO CONFIDENCE in the starting QB!!!! Dez still has plenty left over in the tank he needs to go into the off season and comeback in great shape and shut his critics down and I'm a devout Steelers fan since the '70s.


I mean, building an offense around Elliott isn't a terrible idea. :coffee:
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby 93henfan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:46 am

The Cowboys will be fine if they can just keep the team off PEDS and narcotics this offseason and make all players wear boxing gloves whenever they’re near white women. Those bareknuckle face punches always turn up in police reports.

And it’s kind of a shame, because the Cowboys are so likable.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby GannonFan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:28 am

Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Dez Bryant is done. Not sure what happened to him but he looks like a guy on his way out of the league. He's more like a good tight end now than an elite WR.


I was just talking about Dez...
There's nothing wrong with Dez Bryant
Every team in the NFL has a receiver (or two) that perform similar statistically

The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts

Dez is a perfectly fine receiver
Worth about $4.5 Mil
Presently he's being paid $16,000,000.00

And that is entirely the cowboys fault

Next:
Kirk Cousins
A soon to be 30 year old quarterback that has never won a meaningful game
and does't make anyone around him better (like some other QB's tend to do)

He's already extremely wealthy
I wouldn't touch him for a penny over $15.5 Mil a year
The Redskins need to just let him go to Denver (after driving up the price a little)
Ideally forcing Denver to pay him the $25 Mill a year he just isn't worth


Yes, the problem is that Bryant is being paid like an elite, #1, speed receiver, and he's not that kind of receiver anymore. He's slow (and he was never fleet of foot to begin with, so being even slower than that is a problem) and he's not a guy that demands extra coverage anymore. Yes, you're right, he's just like an average #3 or #4 receiver, but he's paid like he's a top receiver in the league.

As for Cousins, the Redskins will have to decide if they can stomach a 2 win season to get into a position to draft a top notch QB. I agree, there's a danger in paying any QB so much money that it hinders your being able to field an effective team around him, and Cousins is certainly less deserving of that money than say a Brees or Brady would be. But you have to accept that you're going to lose a lot of games to get into position to draft a rookie QB who can replace him. Or, like the Eagles did with Wentz, make a bunch of trades to move up in the draft and hope that Cleveland still thinks they can get by without a drafting a QB.
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby 93henfan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:00 am

Chizzang wrote:The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts


I may or may not have texted this to Flaggy once or twenty times over the past couple of years:

"As an Eagles fan, I hope that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder live long, healthy lives and never tire of being NFL owners."

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby kalm » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:04 am

93henfan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:The problem is with the Cowboys
They are a team that dramatically over values their players and sign them to insane contratcs
The Cowboys found themselves in a position where they thought they couldn't win without Dez Bryant

That type of thinking leads to really bad (and long) contracts


I may or may not have texted this to Flaggy once or twenty times over the past couple of years:

"As an Eagles fan, I hope that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder live long, healthy lives and never tire of being NFL owners."


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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby GannonFan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:08 am

kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
I may or may not have texted this to Flaggy once or twenty times over the past couple of years:

"As an Eagles fan, I hope that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder live long, healthy lives and never tire of being NFL owners."


:nod:


Amen. :thumb:
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Chizzang » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:03 pm

Vidav wrote:
dal4018 wrote:The Cowboys offense centers around Elliott too much in my personal opinion ppl are calling Prescott a GAME MANAGER I personally HATE THIS TERM it tells me that the team has NO CONFIDENCE in the starting QB!!!! Dez still has plenty left over in the tank he needs to go into the off season and comeback in great shape and shut his critics down and I'm a devout Steelers fan since the '70s.


I mean, building an offense around Elliott isn't a terrible idea. :coffee:


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and not the other way around

Building a team around a guy is actually stupid
it can be effective (until he sprains an ankle)

Teams need to build a system based on player development

Examples of this would be
Andy Reid in Philly and then KC
Mike McCarthy in Green Bay
Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco
Bill Belichick in New England

System coaches are the only way to have sustained success
You'll notice frequently their players when traded or when they move on
tend to be pretty average outside of the system
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby dal4018 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:41 am

Vidav wrote:
dal4018 wrote:The Cowboys offense centers around Elliott too much in my personal opinion ppl are calling Prescott a GAME MANAGER I personally HATE THIS TERM it tells me that the team has NO CONFIDENCE in the starting QB!!!! Dez still has plenty left over in the tank he needs to go into the off season and comeback in great shape and shut his critics down and I'm a devout Steelers fan since the '70s.


I mean, building an offense around Elliott isn't a terrible idea. :coffee:
One day it will and Prescott will be forced to win games by himself throwing the ball to Dez.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby 93henfan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:24 pm

It was a Kupptacular season. Go get 'em next year. I expect Kuppangeles and Wentzadelphia to clash in January many times in this and the next decade.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Vidav » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:40 pm

So sad it ended like it did. :(
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby dal4018 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:09 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:No surprise here. He's a great receiver.
He was very productive as a rookie caught a td pass in defeat!!!!

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Chizzang » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:03 pm

Cooper Kupp
9 catches 162 Yards 2 touchdowns

That's the same line he used to have against the Griz


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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:00 am

Chizzang wrote:Cooper Kupp
9 catches 162 Yards 2 touchdowns

That's the same line he used to have against the Griz


:ohno:

:lol: :lol: I remember the year we held him to 106 and 1 TD and thought..."whew! We DID it! We controlled him!" :lol:

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby kalm » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:39 am

JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I'll go ahead and stick my neck out and say what I think we can expect. I think you guys over rate him. I've watched him over the years and I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list in terms of the best receivers to come out of I-AA/FCS. I think he will play. But his best 40 at the combine was 4.62 seconds. He's downright slow by NFL wide receiver standards.

I'll go ahead and say I don't think he's ever going to amount to much in the NFL. But the nice thing is that if it turns out that he does you guys can link this post and tell me how wrong I was.


Granted it's a very small sample size but after this weekend he should be in the top 10 for yards, receptions, and TD's (he leads TD's but he has an extra game). And he's not even a #1 WR.

Sure am sorry I didn't listen to you and picked him fantasy both years. :ohno:
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Grizalltheway » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:49 am

kalm wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I'll go ahead and stick my neck out and say what I think we can expect. I think you guys over rate him. I've watched him over the years and I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list in terms of the best receivers to come out of I-AA/FCS. I think he will play. But his best 40 at the combine was 4.62 seconds. He's downright slow by NFL wide receiver standards.

I'll go ahead and say I don't think he's ever going to amount to much in the NFL. But the nice thing is that if it turns out that he does you guys can link this post and tell me how wrong I was.


Granted it's a very small sample size but after this weekend he should be in the top 10 for yards, receptions, and TD's (he leads TD's but he has an extra game). And he's not even a #1 WR.

Sure am sorry I didn't listen to you and picked him fantasy both years. :ohno:

Kalm-kindly wander over to the FCS forum and take my bait. :thumb:

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Rob Iola » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:52 am

JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I'll go ahead and stick my neck out and say what I think we can expect. I think you guys over rate him. I've watched him over the years and I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list in terms of the best receivers to come out of I-AA/FCS. I think he will play. But his best 40 at the combine was 4.62 seconds. He's downright slow by NFL wide receiver standards.

I'll go ahead and say I don't think he's ever going to amount to much in the NFL. But the nice thing is that if it turns out that he does you guys can link this post and tell me how wrong I was.

Economically, he's a pretty good receiver. And you're an excellent judge of ability.
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:10 am

Rob Iola wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I'll go ahead and stick my neck out and say what I think we can expect. I think you guys over rate him. I've watched him over the years and I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list in terms of the best receivers to come out of I-AA/FCS. I think he will play. But his best 40 at the combine was 4.62 seconds. He's downright slow by NFL wide receiver standards.

I'll go ahead and say I don't think he's ever going to amount to much in the NFL. But the nice thing is that if it turns out that he does you guys can link this post and tell me how wrong I was.

Economically, he's a pretty good receiver. And you're an excellent judge of ability.

Another great analysis by JSO.... :lol: :lol:

Kind of like his stock market analysis. :dunce: :dunce:
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Winterborn » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:03 am

For some reason I decided to bench Goff in my final fantasy league last night........ :oops:

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby CAA Flagship » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:44 am

Rob Iola wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I'll go ahead and stick my neck out and say what I think we can expect. I think you guys over rate him. I've watched him over the years and I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list in terms of the best receivers to come out of I-AA/FCS. I think he will play. But his best 40 at the combine was 4.62 seconds. He's downright slow by NFL wide receiver standards.

I'll go ahead and say I don't think he's ever going to amount to much in the NFL. But the nice thing is that if it turns out that he does you guys can link this post and tell me how wrong I was.

Economically, he's a pretty good receiver. And you're an excellent judge of ability.

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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Chizzang » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:40 pm

kalm wrote:
Granted it's a very small sample size but after this weekend he should be in the top 10 for yards, receptions, and TD's (he leads TD's but he has an extra game). And he's not even a #1 WR.

Sure am sorry I didn't listen to you and picked him fantasy both years. :ohno:


You'll probably know this...
Doesn't Kupp hold 4 or 5 of the NCAA all time receiving records?

6,000 yards
70 something touchdowns
30+ 100 yard games

and a few more even...
The guy was the 69th pick in the draft and looking like he went late and was a steal
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Re: The KuppAngeles Rams

Postby Gil Dobie » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:08 pm

They were just giving Kupp props on the local Twin Cities talk show.

Most receptions, career
FBS: 399 – Zay Jones, East Carolina, 2013–16[59]
FCS: 428 – Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington, 2011–16[51]
Div II: 386 – Justin Bernard, Saint Anselm College 2010–14[40]
Div III: 463 – Michael Zweifel, Wisconsin–River Falls and University of Dubuque, 2007–11[60]

Most yards receiving, career
FBS: 5,278 – Corey Davis, Western Michigan, 2013-16[65]
FCS: 6,464 – Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington, 2013–16[66]
Div II: 4,983 – Clarence Coleman, Ferris State, 1998–2001[40]
Div III: 6,108 – Scott Pingel, Westminster (MO), 1996–99[62]
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