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THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

Postby EPJr » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:57 pm

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As the fissures continue to grow in the Big East, the league's seven non-football members have decided to explore their options.

The athletic directors of St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, Marquette and Notre Dame have scheduled a teleconference Monday to discuss the league's ever-changing status. The move follows the defections of Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC, with the prospect of more losses if the SEC targets West Virginia, the ACC absorbs Connecticut and perhaps Rutgers, and TCU reconsiders its decision to join this BCS conference in 2012.


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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby ODUalum11 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:12 pm

This is exactly why schools without football are in more, serious trouble.
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Seven Big East BB Schools split; keep name

Postby EPJr » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:16 pm

Time for 'basketball' schools to unite?

But what if there was another direction? What if, instead of becoming an Ellis Island for woebegone football, the Big East went back to its roots and formed a basketball superconference?

One man thinks it could work.

"Yes, there's no question it can," said former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese. "If you have schools playing basketball at a high level, you can have success. Can you make money? Yes. Can you be competitive? Absolutely. Can you have as much success as the current Big East? Maybe not, but I'm not sure any league will ever match that success. But you can be successful and be happy."


By Tranghese's count, the league would need only 10 teams to be viable.

"You could separate by divisions, playing within your division during the week and the crossover games on the weekends," he said. "That would minimize expenses, travel time and time away from class."

Of course, it would mean opening up another round of conference raiding. Xavier, Dayton and Butler would be at the tops of the wish list, putting folks at the Atlantic 10 and Horizon League on high alert.

That's just the first of several roadblocks to overcome for this sort of fantastical vision to come to light.

For starters: the conference name. If the football schools and basketball schools from the Big East split, who retains the brand name? That's far more than just a marketing question.
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"There is such a rich history and association with the Big East and basketball that I would think people in the television networks would want them to retain that," former television executive Neal Pilson said.

But it is even more critical than mere marketing appeal. For basketball, it could determine just who gets an automatic bid.


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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby Seahawks » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:16 am

The Basketball only schools of the Big East have less of a problem in the current environment than do the secondary football schools of the Big East and Big 12. Where do they go?

The Big East Basketball schools can always add some additional schools (Dayton, St. Joes, Xavier) to the mix and create a super BB conference. What will be interesting is to see where the football schools wind up. Some of them will not do well.
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:26 pm

Seahawks wrote:The Basketball only schools of the Big East have less of a problem in the current environment than do the secondary football schools of the Big East and Big 12. Where do they go?

The Big East Basketball schools can always add some additional schools (Dayton, St. Joes, Xavier) to the mix and create a super BB conference. What will be interesting is to see where the football schools wind up. Some of them will not do well.


they have a problem if the FB schools keep tying to add full member schools with less than steller BB programs

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby ODUalum11 » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:50 pm

EPJr wrote:
Seahawks wrote:The Basketball only schools of the Big East have less of a problem in the current environment than do the secondary football schools of the Big East and Big 12. Where do they go?

The Big East Basketball schools can always add some additional schools (Dayton, St. Joes, Xavier) to the mix and create a super BB conference. What will be interesting is to see where the football schools wind up. Some of them will not do well.


they have a problem if the FB schools keep tying to add full member schools with less than steller BB programs


which is what I see the Big East doing exactly, I don't believe they will invite anyone without a good, solid football and basketball program.
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:21 pm

Amid conference upheaval, Big East basketball faces cloudy future
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Now, suddenly, all that tradition is falling apart. Conference realignment, fueled by Midwest and Southeast bias in football, has continually thrown body blows at the league, with the ACC taking Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College in 2003 and 2004, and then coming back to take two more snowbirds — Syracuse and Pittsburgh — two months ago. West Virginia is headed west to the Big 12. All three will be around this season, and may even be forced to stay through the 2013-14 season because of the league’s 27-month window of notification required for any school wishing to leave.

But their eventual defections will cut deep into the heart of the strongest basketball conference in the country. The Big East is about to lose its geographical center and many of the historic rivalries that made the conference tourney at the Garden so special each March. Only two schools from the Northeast corridor — Connecticut and Rutgers — are left on the football side, and there are just five Eastern non-football members — St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown and Providence — fleshing out a more stable basketball side.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/conference-upheaval-big-east-basketball-faces-cloudy-future-article-1.972721

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:23 pm

2 Big East Members Have Discussed Starting Basketball-Only League

I report today on two Big East members that have had conversations about leaving the conference to start a new league built around traditional basketball powers. The discussions are preliminary and may not lead to any departures, but could signal dissatisfaction among at least some of the basketball schools with the league’s uncertain future or its choice of new members.

According to sources who were involved in the discussions at two Big East institutions, the colleges have discussed the possibility of a so-called Super Basketball Conference that could seek to add Butler, Temple, Xavier, or others. The sources were unwilling to publicly identify either institution because of the early stage of talks.

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:20 pm

Departing Big East would be costly for basketball-only schools


What the Chronicle of Higher Education reported Thursday, identifying neither of the Big East members supposedly involved in the conversation, long has been a fantasy among many fans of the mostly Catholic universities that belong to the league but do not sponsor Division I-A football programs. It’s even a bigger dream for fans at non-member Xavier, whose program would be first in line to upgrade from the Atlantic 10.

The obstacles to making such a move remain immense, however, and keep the Big Catholic Conference in the realm of whimsy:

1. Money
2. Brand
3. MSG
4. ND
5. The future

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:27 pm

Big East could dissolve,
basketball schools create own league

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The Big East is fast approaching a “tipping point.” Not as the league we’ve come to know and love. But as a league, period.

Should Louisville and/or Connecticut leave the Big East, the seven basketball schools could well vote to dissolve the conference, according to The Providence Journal.

The Big East could dissolve, with schools like Marquette joining a basketball-centric league with other hoops powers. (AP Photo)

With dramatic instability on the football side in the wake of Rutgers’ pending move to the Big Ten and with Louisville and Connecticut believed to be actively seeking new conference homes, the seven Catholic basketball schools in the Big East could vote to leave the league


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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

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EPJr wrote:Big East could dissolve,
basketball schools create own league

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The Big East is fast approaching a “tipping point.” Not as the league we’ve come to know and love. But as a league, period.

Should Louisville and/or Connecticut leave the Big East, the seven basketball schools could well vote to dissolve the conference, according to The Providence Journal.

The Big East could dissolve, with schools like Marquette joining a basketball-centric league with other hoops powers. (AP Photo)

With dramatic instability on the football side in the wake of Rutgers’ pending move to the Big Ten and with Louisville and Connecticut believed to be actively seeking new conference homes, the seven Catholic basketball schools in the Big East could vote to leave the league


http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basket ... aga-butler


If you're a basketball school in the Big East and they add ECU and someone similar, do you want to stay? Or would you rather form a basketball focused conference with Dayton, Xavier, Butler, St. Louis, or similar? ECU isn't a bad school but they're at least one step down from where the Big East has been basketball-wise. Adding UMass wouldn't be a bad thing from a basketball perspective but isit enough?

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby Franks Tanks » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:55 am

The Big East core will stick together. Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and even Nova and Georgetown need each other. As others have noted they can keep DePaul and Marquette and add a few other basketball centric schools from the A-10.

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby bluehenbillk » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:25 am

I'm afraid they've almost waited too long. Splitting now would be costly to what has already been costly for the Big East. They should sue Marinato(sp) for not accepting that TV deal 2 years ago - which would've been MUCH more than they'll get when they finally get one for C-USA, err what's left of the old Big East.
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:52 pm

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EPJr wrote:Big East could dissolve,
basketball schools create own league

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The Big East is fast approaching a “tipping point.” Not as the league we’ve come to know and love. But as a league, period.

Should Louisville and/or Connecticut leave the Big East, the seven basketball schools could well vote to dissolve the conference, according to The Providence Journal.

The Big East could dissolve, with schools like Marquette joining a basketball-centric league with other hoops powers. (AP Photo)

With dramatic instability on the football side in the wake of Rutgers’ pending move to the Big Ten and with Louisville and Connecticut believed to be actively seeking new conference homes, the seven Catholic basketball schools in the Big East could vote to leave the league


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If you're a basketball school in the Big East and they add ECU and someone similar, do you want to stay? Or would you rather form a basketball focused conference with Dayton, Xavier, Butler, St. Louis, or similar? ECU isn't a bad school but they're at least one step down from where the Big East has been basketball-wise. Adding UMass wouldn't be a bad thing from a basketball perspective but isit enough?


actually the BB schools have already blocked ECU BB from coming.
they are only coming for FB
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby EPJr » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:37 am

Big East fate vexes Catholic schools

The seven Big East Catholic, non-FBS schools met with Big East commissioner Mike Aresco on Sunday to express their concerns for the direction of the conference, multiple Big East sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.

Sources said the New York meeting was the first among the seven schools (Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova) and ultimately could lead to them splitting from the Big East's football members.

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby bluehenbillk » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:30 am

The BB only BEC schools face a lose-lose end game in all of this.

Because they don't play FB at the BCS level their automatically second-tier in the eyes of the networks despite the Big East basketball brand. As it stands now, with the TV $$ the BEC is rumored to be looking at, it will be a financial drop for the BB schools versus what they previously received.

If they split from the current BEC they forfeit millions in previous post-season tourney $ and will see most likely even less $$ in a TV deal.

The fall of the Big East goes right up there with the fall of the Roman Empire. They'll assign the financial calamities of the Big East in future college business courses as they turned down TV deals more than two and a half times what they're looking at now in just the last 24-30 months.....
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The A-10 offers the BE Catholics a haven, if needed

Postby EPJr » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:35 pm

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The Atlantic 10 has discussed the possibility of a 21-team basketball league in the event that the changing conference landscape makes high-profile Big East schools available, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com Tuesday.
The A-10 has been proactive over the last year, strengthening its brand as a high-profile basketball conference with the additions of Butler and VCU, two programs that were in the 2011 Final Four.
The A-10 currently is a 16-team conference for the 2012-13 season, but Temple and Charlotte are set to leave for the Big East and Conference USA, respectively.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/report-a-10-open-to-possibility-of-absorbing-big-east-basketball-schools/

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby bluehenbillk » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:44 am

So these Big East schools weren't thrilled about adding Tulane or East Carolina...

Let me pose this question. If Seton Hall, Providence & DePaul weren't in the Big East today and were being mentioned for membership, would anyone get excited about those schools. Even St. John's for that matter, none of these schools have been relevant for a while now.
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby UNI88 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:08 pm

bluehenbillk wrote:The BB only BEC schools face a lose-lose end game in all of this.

Because they don't play FB at the BCS level their automatically second-tier in the eyes of the networks despite the Big East basketball brand. As it stands now, with the TV $$ the BEC is rumored to be looking at, it will be a financial drop for the BB schools versus what they previously received.

If they split from the current BEC they forfeit millions in previous post-season tourney $ and will see most likely even less $$ in a TV deal.

bluehenbillk wrote:So these Big East schools weren't thrilled about adding Tulane or East Carolina...

Let me pose this question. If Seton Hall, Providence & DePaul weren't in the Big East today and were being mentioned for membership, would anyone get excited about those schools. Even St. John's for that matter, none of these schools have been relevant for a while now.


It's lose-lose but how can they make the most of what they have. If they stay in a football-centric Big East, does the basketball side of the league get watered down and their revenue stream drops accordingly? What happens if the split off or force the football schools to leave and they keep the Big East brand and create a non-football conference? Can they get a better financial deal from a network?

Market share and exposure are critical and I'm no expert but I think you measure them differently for basketball than for football. DePaul and St. Johns might not be relevant now but they have tremendous potential. University of Illinois has a much larger alumni base than DePaul and is better positioned to be the state school in football. But in basketball, if DePaul is good a lot more people in Chicago will rally around them as the "hometown" team than would rally around a good Illinois team. That metropolitan market of 9 million people is attractive.

The Big East might not accept them if they applied now but it wouldn't be a cut and dried decision.

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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby Seahawks08 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:53 pm

But in basketball, if DePaul is good a lot more people in Chicago will rally around them as the "hometown" team than would rally around a good Illinois team. That metropolitan market of 9 million people is attractive.


The question remains...will they ever be good again?
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby bluehenbillk » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:46 am

ESPN reporting the non-FB Big East schools could go in the next 48 hours. I think their national profile will go with them... :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :coffee: :coffee:
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby UNI88 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:37 am

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But in basketball, if DePaul is good a lot more people in Chicago will rally around them as the "hometown" team than would rally around a good Illinois team. That metropolitan market of 9 million people is attractive.


The question remains...will they ever be good again?


These things are cyclical and I think it will happen it's just a matter of when.

They need to open up the recruiting spigot from the Chicago Public League again and they're off to the races. There is a tremendous amount of talent in the city that goes everywhere but DePaul. All they need is a coach who can recruit a fraction of it and then knows a little about x's and o's and they'll be good.

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Postby Seahawks08 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:24 am

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/big_east_basketball_only_schools_c2PMii2vTg8twF80US3G6H

The Big East Conference, the only to send three teams to a Final Four, will announce Thursday that its non-FBS programs are splitting from their brethren, sources told The Post.

The presidents of the seven schools that don’t play big time football - DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence Seton Hall, St. John’s and Villanova - are holding a teleconference with Big East Commissioner Mike Aresco Thursday and expected to issue a statement this afternoon saying that are parting ways.

The teleconference was taking place this morning, and Aresco was hoping to hold the league together. But multiple sources said the seven basketball-centric schools had had enough of the defections that had wreaked havoc on the league in the last couple of years.

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St. John's and Seton Hall will be two of the schools splitting from the Big East as we know it.
It is the penultimate chapter in a story that began in 1979 when the Big East was founded, rose to prominence in the 80’s behind its basketball programs (Georgetown, St. John’s and Villanova) got the Final Four in 1985 but then saw members with FBS programs leave for richer TV deals.

Boston College began the exodus in 2003. Rutgers and Louisville left last month with the Scarlet Knights going to the Big Ten and the Cardinals going to the ACC.

It was unknown if the seven schools, which together hold a majority vote, were going to dissolve the league. That would allow them to keep the name and its contract with The Garden, where it has held its postseason tournament since 1981.

Sources said those basketball-centric schools will look to link up with teams from the Atlantic 10 - such as Butler Dayton, St. Louis and Xavier. Whether that comes in the form of a super conference with 21 teams - the seven Big East schools and the 14 A-10 schools, is unclear.

A source said the Big East was leaning towards a second option - adding schools. It wants to return to its days as a 10-12 school conference with a homogenous membership headlined by elite basketball programs in urban markets.

What is certain is that programs such as Temple, which is set to join the Big East in basketball next season, Cincinnati, Connecticut and South Florida, are in terrible limbo.

The Big East recently added a group of schools such as Boise State, Central Florida, East Carolina, Houston, San Diego State and SMU to bolster its football roster. Those schools might return to their respective conferences.

The future of St. John’s and Seton Hall is uncertain. St. John’s has a much stronger brand name and it is one of just six schools to have developed its own HDTV network than can broadcast games on television, computer and hand held devices.

With the Big East taking this step, the move to five super conferences is all but complete. There still could be some realignment - Connecticut is desperate for an invitation to the ACC. But the new map of college athletics has been drawn.



And there goes Nova football not going to the FBS anytime in the near future. :ohno:
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Re: Seven Big East BB Schools being proactive

Postby GannonFan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:55 pm

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And there goes Nova football not going to the FBS anytime in the near future. :ohno:


Uh, that ship sailed well before this.

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