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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby clenz » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:50 pm

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After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?

UNI would do to A&T what they've done to Monmouth, SFA, McNeese State, EIU, etc. in the OOC portion of their schedule and playoffs the last few years.

And yes, I'd have no problem leaving JSU a head of A&T in a poll submission barring some kind of crazy performance against ECU this week

In 2016 Montana beat UNI 20-14 despite the stats looking like this

First downs
Montana 12
UNI 20

Rushing yards
Montana 88 (2 ypc)
UNI 205 (4 ypc)

Passing Yards
Montana 118 (14-30 3.9 ypa)
UNI 194 (16-38 5.1 YPA)

Total Yards
Montana 206 3.2 ypp
UNI 351 4.5 ypp

UNI had a better punt average, more inside the 20, 9 more minutes of TOP and held Montana to 4-17 on third down and 0-1 on fourth down.

The difference in the game? Montana returned a punt for a TD coupled with UNI going 6-17 on third down.

UNI was clearly the better team that day. Montana won. The better team doesn't always win - contrary to that bullshit cliche that people love.


JSU had over 400 yards of offense. The difference in the game? A kick off return for a TD....and the extreme undisciplined nature of JSU.

I'm not arguing JSU deserved to win - but it's pretty damn clear that they...as bad as they were...were the better team.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby BDKJMU » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:59 pm

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dal4018 wrote:Again their pass defense is a liability their front 7 needs to get much better inspite of the win!!!!


AGS vote comes out again after this weeks games. If they beat East Carolina, they deserve to be top ten at this early point of the season.

True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby BDKJMU » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:09 pm

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After NDSU & JMU, who would be heavy favorites to beat A&T on a neutral site?


Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.


Yep. I bet around a doz teams would be multiple score favorites vs NC A&T, and around 2 doz would be favored. But NC A&T will lose to ECU. If they run the table in the MEAC, they'll still be top 10 in Nov, which will be a crock.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:49 pm

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Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.


Yep. I bet around a doz teams would be multiple score favorites vs NC A&T, and around 2 doz would be favored. But NC A&T will lose to ECU. If they run the table in the MEAC, they'll still be top 15 in Nov, which will be a crock.


I really only see 2 teams that I would bet on beating A&T by 2 scores. Sure other teams in the top 20 could beat them by multiple scores, but I would not bet on it this early in the season.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby kalm » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:03 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
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Yep. I bet around a doz teams would be multiple score favorites vs NC A&T, and around 2 doz would be favored. But NC A&T will lose to ECU. If they run the table in the MEAC, they'll still be top 15 in Nov, which will be a crock.


I really only see 2 teams that I would bet on beating A&T by 2 scores. Sure other teams in the top 20 could beat them by multiple scores, but I would not bet on it this early in the season.


Based on what? A game where they only gained 148 total yards and were gifted 4 turnovers, 24 penalties, and 2 missed field goals? Against a typically overrated JSU?
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:33 am

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I really only see 2 teams that I would bet on beating A&T by 2 scores. Sure other teams in the top 20 could beat them by multiple scores, but I would not bet on it this early in the season.


Based on what? A game where they only gained 148 total yards and were gifted 4 turnovers, 24 penalties, and 2 missed field goals? Against a typically overrated JSU?


Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby clenz » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Based on what? A game where they only gained 148 total yards and were gifted 4 turnovers, 24 penalties, and 2 missed field goals? Against a typically overrated JSU?


Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.

The majority of the penalties were after the play unsportsmanlike against JSU. AT didn’t force those.

JSU muffed 2 punts. AT didn’t force those.


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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby kalm » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:58 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Based on what? A game where they only gained 148 total yards and were gifted 4 turnovers, 24 penalties, and 2 missed field goals? Against a typically overrated JSU?


Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.


So now we're going from "bet" to betting $1000 and from two teams to 18 teams? :roll:

Would you bet $1,000,000 that if they played again this week, A&T would still win? Would you bet $1,000,000,000 that JSU will make it to the quarters this year?

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:00 am

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Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.

The majority of the penalties were after the play unsportsmanlike against JSU. AT didn’t force those.

JSU muffed 2 punts. AT didn’t force those.


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JSU wasn't frustrated with A&T then? A&T was in their heads.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:09 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
clenz wrote:The majority of the penalties were after the play unsportsmanlike against JSU. AT didn’t force those.

JSU muffed 2 punts. AT didn’t force those.


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JSU wasn't frustrated with A&T then? A&T was in their heads.
As stated before SAM WASHINGTON the new HC for A&T was the ex DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR he likes to play mind games vs the opposition.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:10 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
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Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.


That was 2 years ago, and it was 39-10, just to put up the right numbers. They also lost to NC Central the week prior, 42-21 in 2016. They have not lost a game since the Richmond game. A&T won the TOP, which is a key stat, at least looking at the game as a Bison fan. When the field got smaller inside the 20's, A&T gets tougher. Sloppy game, but A&T wins a lot of this type of game.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:34 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Based on what? A game where they only gained 148 total yards and were gifted 4 turnovers, 24 penalties, and 2 missed field goals? Against a typically overrated JSU?


Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.


It would take a lot for me to put up $1,000. But if you make it $50 sure. Heck, if the two teams played again this weekend I'd bet on Jacksonville State to beat A&T by 2 scores. I'd bet on Eastern Washington and Montana to do it. I'd bet on Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the CAA except for Rhode Island to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the MVFC except Indiana State and Missouri State to do it.

I"m talking about betting a reasonable amount and feeling like I have better than a 50:50 shot at winning. There are a LOT of teams that I'd take that bet on against North Carolina A&T.

Look, they won that game. They got a special teams touchdown and were +3 in the takeaway/giveaway stat. But their offense got completely snuffed. They got 148 total yards. They were 12 of 34 throwing the ball and they, as a running team, got 37 yards rushing.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:51 pm

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Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.


It would take a lot for me to put up $1,000. But if you make it $50 sure. Heck, if the two teams played again this weekend I'd bet on Jacksonville State to beat A&T by 2 scores. I'd bet on Eastern Washington and Montana to do it. I'd bet on Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the CAA except for Rhode Island to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the MVFC except Indiana State and Missouri State to do it.

I"m talking about betting a reasonable amount and feeling like I have better than a 50:50 shot at winning. There are a LOT of teams that I'd take that bet on against North Carolina A&T.

Look, they won that game. They got a special teams touchdown and were +3 in the takeaway/giveaway stat. But their offense got completely snuffed. They got 148 total yards. They were 12 of 34 throwing the ball and they, as a running team, got 37 yards rushing.


Add a FBS win to the A&T resume this year. They are not the same as the MEAC schools that have been losing playoff games the ladt 20 year or more.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:53 pm

kalm wrote:
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Would you put up $1000 in any game against a top 20 team (#3-20) to beat A&T by 2 scores? I'm sure the turnovers, penalties and missed field goals would have happened if A&T just sat on the sidelines.


So now we're going from "bet" to betting $1000 and from two teams to 18 teams? :roll:

Would you bet $1,000,000 that if they played again this week, A&T would still win? Would you bet $1,000,000,000 that JSU will make it to the quarters this year?

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:30 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
It would take a lot for me to put up $1,000. But if you make it $50 sure. Heck, if the two teams played again this weekend I'd bet on Jacksonville State to beat A&T by 2 scores. I'd bet on Eastern Washington and Montana to do it. I'd bet on Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the CAA except for Rhode Island to do it. I'd bet on all the teams in the MVFC except Indiana State and Missouri State to do it.

I"m talking about betting a reasonable amount and feeling like I have better than a 50:50 shot at winning. There are a LOT of teams that I'd take that bet on against North Carolina A&T.

Look, they won that game. They got a special teams touchdown and were +3 in the takeaway/giveaway stat. But their offense got completely snuffed. They got 148 total yards. They were 12 of 34 throwing the ball and they, as a running team, got 37 yards rushing.


Add a FBS win to the A&T resume this year. They are not the same as the MEAC schools that have been losing playoff games the ladt 20 year or more.

They have a better coaching staff to me now I want to see what they do this season?????

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:36 am

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AGS vote comes out again after this weeks games. If they beat East Carolina, they deserve to be top ten at this early point of the season.

True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:53 am

BDKJMU wrote:
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AGS vote comes out again after this weeks games. If they beat East Carolina, they deserve to be top ten at this early point of the season.

True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.

Surprise the Aggies pulled off the upset over the Pirates winning the game 28-23 I hope that FRANKLIN MC CAIN played better against them than he did vs Jacksonville St as stated before he is their star on defense and he was exposed as a liability on deep passes.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:00 am

dal4018 wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.

Surprise the Aggies pulled off the upset over the Pirates winning the game 28-23 I hope that FRANKLIN MC CAIN played better against them than he did vs Jacksonville St as stated before he is their star on defense and he was exposed as a liability on deep passes.


This NCAT is better than the other good MEAC teams that bombed in the playoffs the last 20 years.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:16 am

BDKJMU wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
AGS vote comes out again after this weeks games. If they beat East Carolina, they deserve to be top ten at this early point of the season.

True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.


A&T are better than people think. They are a lot better than the MEAC teams we've seen in the past.
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:16 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
dal4018 wrote:Surprise the Aggies pulled off the upset over the Pirates winning the game 28-23 I hope that FRANKLIN MC CAIN played better against them than he did vs Jacksonville St as stated before he is their star on defense and he was exposed as a liability on deep passes.


This NCAT is better than the other good MEAC teams that bombed in the playoffs the last 20 years.

Yes they are as stated before the Aggies pulled off the upset beating the ECU Pirates 28-23!!!!

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:24 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:True.
But they're not going to beat ECU. ECU will beat them by multiple scores.


A&T are better than people think. They are a lot better than the MEAC teams we've seen in the past.

As stated before the Aggies they pulled off the upset they should move into the top 25 after this win over ECU.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:29 am

dal4018 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
A&T are better than people think. They are a lot better than the MEAC teams we've seen in the past.

As stated before the Aggies they pulled off the upset they should move into the top 25 after this win over ECU.


Probably be top 10. Their resume looks good, beating a top 10 FCS team and an FBS win. Does anyone else have that on their resume this year?
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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

Postby dal4018 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:44 am

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Define "heavy".

I think 3-5 teams from BSC, MVFC, and Colonial each would be multiple score favorites. A&T looked better than I thought they would Saturday, but that was also against JSU. JSU dominated the game statistically but turned it over a bunch.

I also remember the last time A&T made it to the playoffs. The got rolled by a MASH unit of a Richmond team that lost 38-0 in the quarters that year.


Yep. I bet around a doz teams would be multiple score favorites vs NC A&T, and around 2 doz would be favored. But NC A&T will lose to ECU. If they run the table in the MEAC, they'll still be top 10 in Nov, which will be a crock.

Well its official the Aggies are currently ranked 7th nationally after that upset win over East Carolina and star DB FRANKLIN MC CAIN made Major contribution with a FCS RECORD 109 INT RETURN TD that definitely made up for his poor performance vs Jacksonville St last week.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

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dal4018 wrote:Surprise the Aggies pulled off the upset over the Pirates winning the game 28-23 I hope that FRANKLIN MC CAIN played better against them than he did vs Jacksonville St as stated before he is their star on defense and he was exposed as a liability on deep passes.


This NCAT is better than the other good MEAC teams that bombed in the playoffs the last 20 years.

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Re: 2018 Guardian Credit Union FCS Kickoff, JSU vs NC A&T, tonight, 7 PM, ESPN

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The Aggies play Gardner Webb tonight at 6:00 this could be a TRAP GAME??????


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