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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:09 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:So when we list NFL QB's all-time wins, we should include their college, high school and Pop Warner totals. Check.


No, but if you list the Oakland Raiders all-time wins, you include AFL, NFL and Los Angeles wins.

AFL = NFL from 1960-70. NAIA < Division III < Division II < Division I. :tothehand:
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:48 pm

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
No, but if you list the Oakland Raiders all-time wins, you include AFL, NFL and Los Angeles wins.

AFL = NFL from 1960-70. NAIA < Division III < Division II < Division I. :tothehand:


AFL <> NFL 1960-70. The NFL was still getting most of the better players from college, until the Jets won the Super Bowl.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:51 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:AFL = NFL from 1960-70. NAIA < Division III < Division II < Division I. :tothehand:


AFL <> NFL 1960-70. The NFL was still getting most of the better players from college, until the Jets won the Super Bowl.

The odd thing is you have enough I-AA titles that you don't need to put up such silly ones, but hey, use whatever stats you want. :coffee:
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:56 pm

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
AFL <> NFL 1960-70. The NFL was still getting most of the better players from college, until the Jets won the Super Bowl.

The odd thing is you have enough I-AA titles that you don't need to put up such silly ones, but hey, use whatever stats you want. :coffee:


Just put it up because we passed a milestone win on Saturday, #700.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:14 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:The odd thing is you have enough I-AA titles that you don't need to put up such silly ones, but hey, use whatever stats you want. :coffee:


Just put it up because we passed a milestone win on Saturday, #700.

That's a great milestone, congrats. :thumb: But still a silly list IMO.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:18 pm

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Just put it up because we passed a milestone win on Saturday, #700.

That's a great milestone, congrats. :thumb: But still a silly list IMO.


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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby SuperHornet » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:09 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:So when we list NFL QB's all-time wins, we should include their college, high school and Pop Warner totals. Check.


No, but if you list the Oakland Raiders all-time wins, you include AFL, NFL and Los Angeles wins.


In the NFL record book, that only works for teams that came in from the AFL. I don't believe they count any stats from the AAFC, or the leagues that failed (including at least two other AFLs) before that.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby UNI88 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:55 pm

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
No, they include Divison I, I-AA, II, III, NAIA and College Division

Then your thread title is misleading.

Thanks, now we have to dread Gannonfan's 4+ paragraph JSOesque diatribe on how Delaware's College Division wins and national championships count because the College Division was the equivalent of what FCS is today.





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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:39 am

UNI88 wrote:
89Hen wrote:Then your thread title is misleading.

Thanks, now we have to dread Gannonfan's 4+ paragraph JSOesque diatribe on how Delaware's College Division wins and national championships count because the College Division was the equivalent of what FCS is today.





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Well.... it is (was). 8-)
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby GannonFan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:48 am

89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Thanks, now we have to dread Gannonfan's 4+ paragraph JSOesque diatribe on how Delaware's College Division wins and national championships count because the College Division was the equivalent of what FCS is today.





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Well.... it is (was). 8-)


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Re: RE: Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby UNI88 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:12 am

GannonFan wrote:
89Hen wrote:Well.... it is (was). 8-)


Yeah, I don't get it, truth is something to dread anymore? Who knew. :rofl:
Do you have a very strong argument? Yes, the college division was essentially the precursor to FCS/I-AA. Was it exactly the same? No, so it is not an absolute truth.

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Re: RE: Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:17 am

UNI88 wrote:
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Yeah, I don't get it, truth is something to dread anymore? Who knew. :rofl:
Do you have a very strong argument? Yes, the college division was essentially the precursor to FCS/I-AA. Was it exactly the same? No, so it is not an absolute truth.

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FCS isn't exactly the same as I-AA either. Different name, different playoffs.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby UNI88 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:21 am

89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Do you have a very strong argument? Yes, the college division was essentially the precursor to FCS/I-AA. Was it exactly the same? No, so it is not an absolute truth.

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FCS isn't exactly the same as I-AA either. Different name, different playoffs.
I-AA was THE precursor to FCS, college division was essentially the precursor to I-AA.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:24 am

UNI88 wrote:
89Hen wrote:FCS isn't exactly the same as I-AA either. Different name, different playoffs.
I-AA was THE precursor to FCS, college division was essentially the precursor to I-AA.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:43 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
UNI88 wrote:I-AA was THE precursor to FCS, college division was essentially the precursor to I-AA.

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You all still played NCAA football.

So when we see a list of all-time I-A/FBS/BCS National Champions it should look like this...

Auburn 5
California 5
Cornell 5
Florida 5
Illinois 5
Iowa 4
Washington 4
Appalachian State 3
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby kalm » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:50 am

Eastern won chippers in wrestling and cross country.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:52 am

kalm wrote:Eastern won chippers in wrestling and cross country.

Was talking football. AppSt is now FBS/I-A so their FCS/I-AA championships should count.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:07 am

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89Hen wrote:Well.... it is (was). 8-)


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FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:10 am

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
You all still played NCAA football.

So when we see a list of all-time I-A/FBS/BCS National Champions it should look like this...

Auburn 5
California 5
Cornell 5
Florida 5
Illinois 5
Iowa 4
Washington 4
Appalachian State 3


Yale 27

Each division has it's champions, but each school also has it's championships. App St doesn't lose it's championships or wins, by moving to FBS. Yale still has 27 championships and 896 wins, and is a FCS school with 896 school wins, and 0 FCS championships.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:17 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:So when we see a list of all-time I-A/FBS/BCS National Champions it should look like this...

Auburn 5
California 5
Cornell 5
Florida 5
Illinois 5
Iowa 4
Washington 4
Appalachian State 3


Yale 27

Each division has it's champions, but each school also has it's championships. App St doesn't lose it's championships or wins, by moving to FBS. Yale still has 27 championships and 896 wins, and is a FCS school with 896 school wins, and 0 FCS championships.

I'm curious as to why you'd put that last qualifier in there. You didn't put any in before.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:23 am

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Yale 27

Each division has it's champions, but each school also has it's championships. App St doesn't lose it's championships or wins, by moving to FBS. Yale still has 27 championships and 896 wins, and is a FCS school with 896 school wins, and 0 FCS championships.

I'm curious as to why you'd put that last qualifier in there. You didn't put any in before.


To show that I was listing FCS school and their all time wins, not all time FCS wins, just the schools all-time wins.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby 89Hen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:26 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:I'm curious as to why you'd put that last qualifier in there. You didn't put any in before.


To show that I was listing FCS school and their all time wins, not all time FCS wins, just the schools all-time wins.

So you've taken away Yale's D-I championships but allowed NDSU to keep their non D-I wins. Gotcha. I think we're done here.
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Re: FCS Schools Top 20 All-Time School Wins

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:28 am

89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
To show that I was listing FCS school and their all time wins, not all time FCS wins, just the schools all-time wins.

So you've taken away Yale's D-I championships but allowed NDSU to keep their non D-I wins. Gotcha.


Nope, haven't taken away anyone's wins school wins nor Yale championships. Just qualified Yale's championships. If you want a thread that shows school wins in the division they are in, you are welcome to start a thread about it.
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Re: FCS Top 20 All-Time Wins

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:29 pm

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:Eastern won chippers in wrestling and cross country.

Was talking football. AppSt is now FBS/I-A so their FCS/I-AA championships should count.


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