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MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby jacksdude0109 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:18 am

Anybody else think this has to be a typo?

"Other universities that have discussed taking a leap of faith upward include, among others, James Madison, Delaware, Northern Iowa, Cal-Poly, Villanova, Jacksonville State, Northern Arizona and Sam Houston State."

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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby kalm » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:36 am

EWURanger has been predicting a major re-alignment in the near future where the major BCS conferences could separate from the rest of FBS leaving a 2nd tier of MAC's, Sun Belts, etc. If that is a possibility it makes sense for any FCS programs with decent attendance and success to look at a move up to join that division 2nd division. And it makes some some sense. FBS Mid majors in many instances are far closer in scope to the App States and even the NAU's of the world than they are to a Texas.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby TwinTownBisonFan » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:13 am

If this predicted rift between the true big boys and the middes happens... yes. You'll see the top tier of FCS "move up" and you'll see the mid majors "move down" in to a division that has a robust playoff system.

I don't see that happening though. What I see as more likely is a few big stadium mid majors look to move up with the voids left all over FBS. In particular, James Madison has the facility to do it.

Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.

I do think more schools will add football again. I think you'll see an expansion in California in the next few years, as the financial situation for the Cal St and UC systems improves. Fullerton, Northridge, Irvine... the Big West seems ripe to pluck Davis, Sacramento and Poly and capitalize on the very rich recruiting territory in the west.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby SDHornet » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:21 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:If this predicted rift between the true big boys and the middes happens... yes. You'll see the top tier of FCS "move up" and you'll see the mid majors "move down" in to a division that has a robust playoff system.

I don't see that happening though. What I see as more likely is a few big stadium mid majors look to move up with the voids left all over FBS. In particular, James Madison has the facility to do it.

Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.

I do think more schools will add football again. I think you'll see an expansion in California in the next few years, as the financial situation for the Cal St and UC systems improves. Fullerton, Northridge, Irvine... the Big West seems ripe to pluck Davis, Sacramento and Poly and capitalize on the very rich recruiting territory in the west.

Uh...no, it's not. There will be no CA schools adding football. Bank on it.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby dal4018 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:12 pm

There were plenty of hbcu schools that entertained this crazy thought all came to their senses and dropped the idea due to a weak financial foundation.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby SuperHornet » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:36 pm

I know of one FCS school with the financial wherewithal to jump to FBS, but I'm not sure they'll have the recruiting required to pull it off. That's Liberty.

As far as TTBF's idea of Cali schools getting back into football, that would be nice, but as SD said, that ship has sailed. That is brought home to me every day as I watch the condemned Amos Alonzo Stagg Memorial Stadium at UOP deteriorate before my very eyes because there is no team to justify rehabbing or replacing it. Actually, it's at a point now where a complete replacement would be required; it's beyond repair. And I have it on good authority that that ain't happening, not the least of which because certain idiot donors have the crazy idea that anything below FBS doesn't exist or isn't worth pursuing. And I'm sure that the situation is quite similar at the UCs and CSUs with a football history.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby goroute » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:04 pm

SDHornet wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:If this predicted rift between the true big boys and the middes happens... yes. You'll see the top tier of FCS "move up" and you'll see the mid majors "move down" in to a division that has a robust playoff system.

I don't see that happening though. What I see as more likely is a few big stadium mid majors look to move up with the voids left all over FBS. In particular, James Madison has the facility to do it.

Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.

I do think more schools will add football again. I think you'll see an expansion in California in the next few years, as the financial situation for the Cal St and UC systems improves. Fullerton, Northridge, Irvine... the Big West seems ripe to pluck Davis, Sacramento and Poly and capitalize on the very rich recruiting territory in the west.

Uh...no, it's not. There will be no CA schools adding football. Bank on it.




Totally agree; there is no way any CA schools will add or bring back football, too bad, but true.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby JayJ79 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:46 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.


There is no 30K stadium requirement for FBS. (and none of the Dakota schools have a 30K stadium anyway)
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby clenz » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:32 pm

JayJ79 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.


There is no 30K stadium requirement for FBS. (and none of the Dakota schools have a 30K stadium anyway)

14 teams currently have capacities under 30K, and 15 more are between 30k and 31k.


The attendance "rule" is 15K average over a rolling 2 season period, which clearly isn't enforced and is easily gotten around. How many times a year do we see a smaller school players a BCS conference school at a neutral site with the smaller team hosting. Heck, this year NIU hosted Iowa at Soldier Field. The crowd was 80-90% Iowa, but NIU got to count 52K for a home game.

In 2011 years ago Florida Atlantic hosted Michigan State AT FORD FIELD IN DETRIOT and got to count it as a home game of 70K people.


UNI and NDSU both have larger venues than Idaho.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby SuperHornet » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:59 pm

clenz wrote:The attendance "rule" is 15K average over a rolling 2 season period, which clearly isn't enforced and is easily gotten around. How many times a year do we see a smaller school players a BCS conference school at a neutral site with the smaller team hosting. Heck, this year NIU hosted Iowa at Soldier Field. The crowd was 80-90% Iowa, but NIU got to count 52K for a home game.


Unethical, but geographically realistic.

clenz wrote:In 2011 years ago Florida Atlantic hosted Michigan State AT FORD FIELD IN DETRIOT and got to count it as a home game of 70K people.


That's freaking DISGUSTING! It makes NO rational sense to allow a "home" game THAT far away from one's home base. Why not Tampa Bay or Miami's pro stadia? Still unethical in my book, but better that Detroit. Would have done better at the gate in terms of home fans, too.

clenz wrote:UNI and NDSU both have larger venues than Idaho.


Doesn't surprise me in the least. I ALSO wouldn't be surprised if UNI and NDSU beat Idalol 8 out of ten. But Idalol would run away scared. The won't even face Montana anymore, and they're practically right next door....
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby EWURanger » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:33 pm

SuperHornet wrote:
clenz wrote:The attendance "rule" is 15K average over a rolling 2 season period, which clearly isn't enforced and is easily gotten around. How many times a year do we see a smaller school players a BCS conference school at a neutral site with the smaller team hosting. Heck, this year NIU hosted Iowa at Soldier Field. The crowd was 80-90% Iowa, but NIU got to count 52K for a home game.


Unethical, but geographically realistic.

clenz wrote:In 2011 years ago Florida Atlantic hosted Michigan State AT FORD FIELD IN DETRIOT and got to count it as a home game of 70K people.


That's freaking DISGUSTING! It makes NO rational sense to allow a "home" game THAT far away from one's home base. Why not Tampa Bay or Miami's pro stadia? Still unethical in my book, but better that Detroit. Would have done better at the gate in terms of home fans, too.

clenz wrote:UNI and NDSU both have larger venues than Idaho.


Doesn't surprise me in the least. I ALSO wouldn't be surprised if UNI and NDSU beat Idalol 8 out of ten. But Idalol would run away scared. The won't even face Montana anymore, and they're practically right next door....


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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby JALMOND » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:11 am

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:If this predicted rift between the true big boys and the middes happens... yes. You'll see the top tier of FCS "move up" and you'll see the mid majors "move down" in to a division that has a robust playoff system.

I don't see that happening though. What I see as more likely is a few big stadium mid majors look to move up with the voids left all over FBS. In particular, James Madison has the facility to do it.

Northern Iowa's stadium (much like 3/4 of the Dakota schools) precludes them from moving up unless the 30k stadium rule is lifted.

I do think more schools will add football again. I think you'll see an expansion in California in the next few years, as the financial situation for the Cal St and UC systems improves. Fullerton, Northridge, Irvine... the Big West seems ripe to pluck Davis, Sacramento and Poly and capitalize on the very rich recruiting territory in the west.


I think the way the Northridge experiment ended a few years back has put the kibash on any LA metro school not named USC or UCLA from playing DI football. Also, California's financial shape, like most of the other states, is broken and will need a major overhaul to recover. I, for one, do not see it happening for at least 10 years from now.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby bluehenbillk » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:11 am

There is a portion of the UD fanbase that wants to move up but financially UD is in no shape to do it right now. Our President has also shown very little interest in the FB program over his tenure - I can't see him supporting this.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby 89Hen » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:12 am

bluehenbillk wrote:There is a portion of the UD fanbase that wants to move up

Not me.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby JayJ79 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:42 pm

SuperHornet wrote:
clenz wrote:The attendance "rule" is 15K average over a rolling 2 season period, which clearly isn't enforced and is easily gotten around. How many times a year do we see a smaller school players a BCS conference school at a neutral site with the smaller team hosting. Heck, this year NIU hosted Iowa at Soldier Field. The crowd was 80-90% Iowa, but NIU got to count 52K for a home game.


Unethical, but geographically realistic.

clenz wrote:In 2011 years ago Florida Atlantic hosted Michigan State AT FORD FIELD IN DETRIOT and got to count it as a home game of 70K people.


That's freaking DISGUSTING! It makes NO rational sense to allow a "home" game THAT far away from one's home base. Why not Tampa Bay or Miami's pro stadia? Still unethical in my book, but better that Detroit. Would have done better at the gate in terms of home fans, too.


I don't see what's "unethical" about it. It might be silly, but it doesn't really hurt or hinder anyone.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby Fact » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Villanova isn't going anywhere unless they get a serious offer from a stable BCS conference, which has dick chance of happening.
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Re: MOVE TO FBS??????

Postby Seahawks08 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:26 pm

Villanova isn't going anywhere unless they get a serious offer from a stable BCS conference, which has dick chance of happening.


aka the ACC which like you said, ain't happening. C7 and CAA it is!
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