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FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:36 pm
by Aho Old Guy
Put on yer big boy pants, FBS ...

University presidents approve college football playoff starting in 2014 season

No. 1 will play No. 4, and No. 2 will play No. 3 on Dec. 31 and Jan. 1. The sites of those games will rotate among the four current BCS bowls — Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar — and two more to be determined.

The winners will advance to the championship on the first Monday in January that is six or more days after the last semifinal. The first championship Monday is set for Jan. 12, 2015.

The site of the title game will move around the way the Super Bowl does, with cities bidding for the right to host.

The teams will be selected by a committee, similar to the way the NCAA basketball tournament field is set.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:47 pm
by AZGrizFan
Slowly but surely, they're getting there.

Maybe in my lifetime....

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:56 pm
by Aho Old Guy
Are you going to make it to Jan. 12, 2015, AZ ?? Where do we send the flowers ??

Has President Obama put yah under a death panel watch ??

:rofl:

I'd take 12 teams - top 4 seeded with first round byes

Second round games played 'on-campus' with seeds getting the home games.

Then do the fancy bowl rotation ...


'You' old guys probably won't see that :D

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:29 pm
by AZGrizFan
Aho Old Guy wrote:Are you going to make it to Jan. 12, 2015, AZ ?? Where do we send the flowers ??

Has President Obama put yah under a death panel watch ??

:rofl:

I'd take 12 teams - top 4 seeded with first round byes

Second round games played 'on-campus' with seeds getting the home games.

Then do the fancy bowl rotation ...


'You' old guys probably won't see that :D

....
Said teams still selected by a 'committee'....that's not a true playoff....like i said, they're GETTING there...

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:42 pm
by Screamin_Eagle174
AZGrizFan wrote:
Aho Old Guy wrote:Are you going to make it to Jan. 12, 2015, AZ ?? Where do we send the flowers ??

Has President Obama put yah under a death panel watch ??

:rofl:

I'd take 12 teams - top 4 seeded with first round byes

Second round games played 'on-campus' with seeds getting the home games.

Then do the fancy bowl rotation ...


'You' old guys probably won't see that :D

....
Said teams still selected by a 'committee'....that's not a true playoff....like i said, they're GETTING there...


..... so same as FCS? :dunce:


**** it, let's not have college football at all. :coffee:

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:47 pm
by AZGrizFan
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:....
Said teams still selected by a 'committee'....that's not a true playoff....like i said, they're GETTING there...


..... so same as FCS? :dunce:


**** it, let's not have college football at all. :coffee:


Eight of our teams aren't selected by committee. Is that so difficult to understand?

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:41 pm
by Aho Old Guy
That's why I think it needs to be 12 teams, AZ :twisted:

As alumni, contributors and fans, we should DEMAND it -- don't let them sign that 12 year contract. That's Bull Sheet.

Rounds #1 & #2 - weeks following Thanksgiving

That gives folks a 'light' month to make travel plans for the Big Four.

I'm too paranoid to be on Facebook, but CS should start a page :thumb:

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:08 pm
by SuperHornet
I don't care how they spin this. It's NOT a playoff. It's a freaking nonsensical invitational, and not a very good one at that. You HAVE to have EVERY conference get an auto-bid with at least a couple of at-larges besides. That speaks more for 16. And that only leaves room for SIX at-larges (assuming, of course, that the WAC no longer qualifies).

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:00 am
by Fresno St. Alum
Aho Old Guy wrote:Are you going to make it to Jan. 12, 2015, AZ ?? Where do we send the flowers ??

Has President Obama put yah under a death panel watch ??

:rofl:

I'd take 12 teams - top 4 seeded with first round byes

Second round games played 'on-campus' with seeds getting the home games.

Then do the fancy bowl rotation ...


'You' old guys probably won't see that :D

I'd be happy w/ 8 as long as every conf had at least 12 teams and a conf title game, otherwise I'd want 12 to 16. The conf title would be like a first round. I'd even be okay w/ 8 and ACC, B12, B1G, SEC, PAC being AQ w/ 3 at-large. 4 still better than 2, both were better than being forced into bowls where 1 couldn't play 2.

Do the FBSers get an actual D-I championship plaque now or just the crystal ball? Does it not count as an actual NCAA championship w/o AQs for winning your conf?

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:31 am
by danefan
AZGrizFan wrote:
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
..... so same as FCS? :dunce:


**** it, let's not have college football at all. :coffee:


Eight of our teams aren't selected by committee. Is that so difficult to understand?


Ten

Soon to be eleven.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:53 am
by bluehenbillk
SuperHornet wrote:I don't care how they spin this. It's NOT a playoff. It's a freaking nonsensical invitational, and not a very good one at that. You HAVE to have EVERY conference get an auto-bid with at least a couple of at-larges besides. That speaks more for 16. And that only leaves room for SIX at-larges (assuming, of course, that the WAC no longer qualifies).


That, will never happen. What don't you get that there are 2 main issues associated with FBS football - money & control. They are tripling the postseason money and the inequality gap in total dollars in per league will be even wider than previous so that covers that end. The power conferences still have control & will never give that up. They'll fold their tents & create their own entity before they are sharing control with the MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc. They won't let the MWC in & they've given the Big East the boot from the big boy table & the ACC is dangling.

On a side note: This should officially end the FBS & FCS monikers: as of today I'm going back to Divisions 1-A & 1-AA. Who's with me?

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:16 am
by SuperHornet
Oh, I've got that trash FIRMLY in mind, hen. What I think OUGHT to happen and what REALLY will happen (at least in the near term) are two entirely different things, and the C&C Boys (Cash and Control) are the big reasons why, as you say. They look down their long noses and spew forth about how the "little guys" have no business playing them in big games because they "haven't played anybody," yet run away from them in the little games like a scared little girl. They're disgusting hypocrites, and the unmentioned, OBVIOUS things behind it all are the C&C Boys.

:ohno:

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:39 am
by ASUG8
bluehenbillk wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:I don't care how they spin this. It's NOT a playoff. It's a freaking nonsensical invitational, and not a very good one at that. You HAVE to have EVERY conference get an auto-bid with at least a couple of at-larges besides. That speaks more for 16. And that only leaves room for SIX at-larges (assuming, of course, that the WAC no longer qualifies).


That, will never happen. What don't you get that there are 2 main issues associated with FBS football - money & control. They are tripling the postseason money and the inequality gap in total dollars in per league will be even wider than previous so that covers that end. The power conferences still have control & will never give that up. They'll fold their tents & create their own entity before they are sharing control with the MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc. They won't let the MWC in & they've given the Big East the boot from the big boy table & the ACC is dangling.

On a side note: This should officially end the FBS & FCS monikers: as of today I'm going back to Divisions 1-A & 1-AA. Who's with me?


Keep FCS, since it's a lot closer to being the truth. :twocents:

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:24 am
by UNI88
bluehenbillk wrote:That, will never happen. What don't you get that there are 2 main issues associated with FBS football - money & control. They are tripling the postseason money and the inequality gap in total dollars in per league will be even wider than previous so that covers that end. The power conferences still have control & will never give that up. They'll fold their tents & create their own entity before they are sharing control with the MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc. They won't let the MWC in & they've given the Big East the boot from the big boy table & the ACC is dangling.


How far has the Big 12 come? It looked like they're going to lose Texas, Oklahoma, etc. to the PAC and they manage to keep them and survive. They lose Nebraska to the B1G0 and survive. They lose TAM and Missouri to the SEC and start to look shaky again. Bob Bowlsby comes on board and the whole perspective changes - they go from being rumored prey to rumored predator and displace the ACC as the 4th conference at the table.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:27 am
by SuperHornet
I'm not so sure about that, 88. The Pac-12 has already offered TX, and were turned down. Will they want to go back there again? The Big Ten's experience with Notre Dame in that regard might tell for TX. Besides, they make NO geographic sense for the Pac-12, even with the presence of CO and UT.

TX would do better trying to get the SWC band back together....

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:40 am
by UNI88
SuperHornet wrote:I'm not so sure about that, 88. The Pac-12 has already offered TX, and were turned down. Will they want to go back there again? The Big Ten's experience with Notre Dame in that regard might tell for TX. Besides, they make NO geographic sense for the Pac-12, even with the presence of CO and UT.

TX would do better trying to get the SWC band back together....


Fixed a typo ... I should have said it looked (not looks) like they were going to lose Texas, Oklahoma, etc. They went from being on the brink of irrelevancy to being a player.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:53 am
by SuperHornet
Ah. OK. That makes more sense.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:36 am
by SeawolvesFan90
FBS football is pretty disappointing. I wish the NCAA had absolute control of the FBS and that it would be more like the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Oh well... at least D-I FCS is still the sole league that could crown a NCAA D-I Football National Champion!

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:53 am
by bluehenbillk
SeawolvesFan90 wrote:FBS football is pretty disappointing. I wish the NCAA had absolute control of the FBS and that it would be more like the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Oh well... at least D-I FCS is still the sole league that could crown a NCAA D-I Football National Champion!


until January 2015.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:59 am
by SuperHornet
bluehenbillk wrote:
SeawolvesFan90 wrote:FBS football is pretty disappointing. I wish the NCAA had absolute control of the FBS and that it would be more like the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Oh well... at least D-I FCS is still the sole league that could crown a NCAA D-I Football National Champion!


until January 2015.


They might CALL it a champion, hen, but that would STILL be a lie. Even at that point, the only TRUE D-I football champion will be in FCS/I-AA....

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:23 am
by bluehenbillk
SuperHornet wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:
until January 2015.


They might CALL it a champion, hen, but that would STILL be a lie. Even at that point, the only TRUE D-I football champion will be in FCS/I-AA....



Point/counter-point:
So if a team goes 11-0 and dominates all season, and loses to a team that was 7-4 in the FCS playoffs, and for argument sakes, let's say the two teams were in the same conference. Is that producing a "truer national champion"?

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:24 am
by SuperHornet
Yes.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:49 am
by bluehenbillk
OK, keep telling yourself that....

They'll never in our great grandchildrens lifetime open up to as many teams as say March Madness does - the Big East regular season is a farce when you realize the entire top half of the league makes it. Why pay attention before March 1st?

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:52 pm
by JohnStOnge
So if a team goes 11-0 and dominates all season, and loses to a team that was 7-4 in the FCS playoffs, and for argument sakes, let's say the two teams were in the same conference. Is that producing a "truer national champion"?


In my opinion yes because of what I what I wrote before. Champion and "best team" are not necessarily the same thing and I don't think the point of a championship playoff should be to identify the best team. Sometimes, maybe most times, there is no single "best team." A lot can depend on who teams match up with and how they match up with them. To me a true championship system includes the principle that every team in the realm controls its own destiny. And FCS is very close to that. All but one of the conferences have auto bids so every team in a conference except one controls its own destiny. And if you go 11-0 then lose in the playoffs under circumstances you describe you had a chance to control your own destiny and didn't get it done.

Teams get into the tournament then the last team standing is the champion. And it's a true champion even if it's not the best team.

The new FBS system doesn't approach that. Not only will the majority of teams not control their own destinies, NO team will. Yes, teams in some conferences will have a really good shot. Like the SEC champ is close to a shoe in if they win all their games. But there's no guarantee. It depends on how other teams do and what the selection committee thinks.

Re: FBS Going 'Playoff' in 2014-15

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:25 pm
by Grizalltheway
bluehenbillk wrote:OK, keep telling yourself that....

They'll never in our great grandchildrens lifetime open up to as many teams as say March Madness does - the Big East regular season is a farce when you realize the entire top half of the league makes it. Why pay attention before March 1st?


I don't think anyone thinks they should. I'd be happy with 8 or 16 teams. :nod: