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In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”

Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:04 pm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opin ... cated.html

In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”

Wanted to point out here that literally everything that liberals think attracts Trump voters to Trump they can get from Ron DeSantis and yet Trump still seems to be coasting to the presidential nomination. Trump is and always was a burn-it-all-down candidate no matter how many dumb Donk strategists just think it's "racism" and "xenophobia".

Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:04 pm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opin ... cated.html

In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”

Wanted to point out here that literally everything that liberals think attracts Trump voters to Trump they can get from Ron DeSantis and yet Trump still seems to be coasting to the presidential nomination. Trump is and always was a burn-it-all-down candidate no matter how many dumb Donk strategists just think it's "racism" and "xenophobia".

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:53 am

Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:04 pm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opin ... cated.html



Wanted to point out here that literally everything that liberals think attracts Trump voters to Trump they can get from Ron DeSantis and yet Trump still seems to be coasting to the presidential nomination. Trump is and always was a burn-it-all-down candidate no matter how many dumb Donk strategists just think it's "racism" and "xenophobia".

David Brooks discovers a conscious and realizes the ascension of neoliberalism only serves a select few.

Trump is all of the above. Burn it down, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic, born on 3rd base. His followers are the ultimate sheep.

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:53 am

Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:04 pm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opin ... cated.html



Wanted to point out here that literally everything that liberals think attracts Trump voters to Trump they can get from Ron DeSantis and yet Trump still seems to be coasting to the presidential nomination. Trump is and always was a burn-it-all-down candidate no matter how many dumb Donk strategists just think it's "racism" and "xenophobia".

David Brooks discovers a conscious and realizes the ascension of neoliberalism only serves a select few.

Trump is all of the above. Burn it down, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic, born on 3rd base. His followers are the ultimate sheep.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:02 am Ah yes, the power of influential family. I remember hearing a conversation years ago when I was working at the Arizona Biltmore Resort.

A regular in the fitness center was telling another how he gotten his son a job with Ernest and Julio Gallo. He was dismayed that his son was only offered $75k and then said he told his son not to take the job. "How is he supposed to get by on only $75k per year?"

All this while I'm rolling towels in the fitness center making $6 per hour.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:12 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:02 am Ah yes, the power of influential family. I remember hearing a conversation years ago when I was working at the Arizona Biltmore Resort.

A regular in the fitness center was telling another how he gotten his son a job with Ernest and Julio Gallo. He was dismayed that his son was only offered $75k and then said he told his son not to take the job. "How is he supposed to get by on only $75k per year?"

All this while I'm rolling towels in the fitness center making $6 per hour.

And if this was mid 1990s, that would be more like 150k today..

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:04 pm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opin ... cated.html
Wanted to point out here that literally everything that liberals think attracts Trump voters to Trump they can get from Ron DeSantis and yet Trump still seems to be coasting to the presidential nomination. Trump is and always was a burn-it-all-down candidate no matter how many dumb Donk strategists just think it's "racism" and "xenophobia".

David Brooks discovers a conscious and realizes the ascension of neoliberalism only serves a select few.

Trump is all of the above. Burn it down, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic, born on 3rd base. His followers are the ultimate sheep.

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote: David Brooks discovers a conscious and realizes the ascension of neoliberalism only serves a select few.

Trump is all of the above. Burn it down, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic, born on 3rd base. His followers are the ultimate sheep.

*conscience


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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:22 pm

CID1990 wrote: *conscience


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And Marx’s followers are the ultimate sheep.


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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:22 pm

CID1990 wrote: *conscience


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And Marx’s followers are the ultimate sheep.


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houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:08 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:22 pm

And Marx’s followers are the ultimate sheep.


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Fuck yeah! Tell em!

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:41 pm

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:08 pm


Fuck yeah! Tell em!

The funny thing is that Marxism is similar to Ayn Rand’s libertarianism. Great on paper while ignoring human corruption and greed.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:13 am

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:41 pm

The funny thing is that Marxism is similar to Ayn Rand’s libertarianism. Great on paper while ignoring human corruption and greed.

I was just thinking of her a couple days ago - I'm having a hard time retrieving a couple of vehicles from where they went to be serviced/repaired. My electric buggy (4wd/64Volt) went to the shop for a microswitch 2 months ago, still there; another local dealer has had my mowing machine for a month since the deck belt broke, still there....entropy is picking up speed on multiple fronts.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:22 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:13 am

I was just thinking of her a couple days ago - I'm having a hard time retrieving a couple of vehicles from where they went to be serviced/repaired. My electric buggy (4wd/64Volt) went to the shop for a microswitch 2 months ago, still there; another local dealer has had my mowing machine for a month since the deck belt broke, still there....entropy is picking up speed on multiple fronts.

Is this what is meant by capitalism needing to be saved from itself?

houndawg wrote:

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:22 am



Is this what is meant by capitalism needing to be saved from itself?

Back in the day capitalists understood that the crumbs they left on the table supported a thriving middle class whose ambition was to be just like them.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:56 am

houndawg wrote:
Back in the day capitalists understood that the crumbs they left on the table supported a thriving middle class whose ambition was to be just like them.

Back in the day big government types understood that the revenue generated by capitalists was what ultimately funded the government now they think the government is the engine and that they can just print money like some Weimar Republic.


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kalm wrote:

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:56 am Back in the day big government types understood that the revenue generated by capitalists was what ultimately funded the government now they think the government is the engine and that they can just print money like some Weimar Republic.


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How far back?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:48 am

kalm wrote:
How far back?

Pre Bernie, Warren, AOChe and the other social terrorists.


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kalm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:00 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:48 am
Pre Bernie, Warren, AOChe and the other social terrorists.


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What were the tax rates?

houndawg wrote:

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:00 am

What were the tax rates?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:43 am

houndawg wrote:

You two are making a solid run at replacing SG and SDH as Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne. Keep up the good work. In your current path you’ll be there soon.


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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:43 am

houndawg wrote:

You two are making a solid run at replacing SG and SDH as Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne. Keep up the good work. In your current path you’ll be there soon.


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