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The House of Saud wouldn't last a year without us propping them up. :coffee:
If we backed away from Saud they'd snuggle up to Russia ASAP...

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That would still be bad for the Saudis

Russia doesn’t need their oil so it would be a cash n carry relationship for the Sauds

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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
If we backed away from Saud they'd snuggle up to Russia ASAP...

:nod:
That would still be bad for the Saudis

Russia doesn’t need their oil so it would be a cash n carry relationship for the Sauds

(at a 1000% markup)


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From my position, way outside of the action of course, it seems that Iran is the better choice of the two from almost any direction - why are we hanging with the Saudis when all they have is oil we don't need?

My experience with both groups is mostly limited to the classrooms of the college of Engineering and far from a representative sample but bottom line was that Saudis mostly kept to themselves, the Iranians were much more personable, friendly, and curious. Plus the largest group of women in engineering classes were Iranian, and some of them were just about beyond a man's ability to not stare at with your jaw hanging open. I've heard of "luminous skin" but some of the Iranian gals were the picture worth a thousand words on the subject.
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houndawg wrote:
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That would still be bad for the Saudis

Russia doesn’t need their oil so it would be a cash n carry relationship for the Sauds

(at a 1000% markup)


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From my position, way outside of the action of course, it seems that Iran is the better choice of the two from almost any direction - why are we hanging with the Saudis when all they have is oil we don't need?

My experience with both groups is mostly limited to the classrooms of the college of Engineering and far from a representative sample but bottom line was that Saudis mostly kept to themselves, the Iranians were much more personable, friendly, and curious. Plus the largest group of women in engineering classes were Iranian, and some of them were just about beyond a man's ability to not stare at with your jaw hanging open. I've heard of "luminous skin" but some of the Iranian gals were the picture worth a thousand words on the subject.
Persians are engineers, mathematicians, and artists.

Arabs are nomad herders.

Islam is much more of a tragedy for Persians than it is for Arabs.


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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

From my position, way outside of the action of course, it seems that Iran is the better choice of the two from almost any direction - why are we hanging with the Saudis when all they have is oil we don't need?

My experience with both groups is mostly limited to the classrooms of the college of Engineering and far from a representative sample but bottom line was that Saudis mostly kept to themselves, the Iranians were much more personable, friendly, and curious. Plus the largest group of women in engineering classes were Iranian, and some of them were just about beyond a man's ability to not stare at with your jaw hanging open. I've heard of "luminous skin" but some of the Iranian gals were the picture worth a thousand words on the subject.
Persians are engineers, mathematicians, and artists.

Arabs are nomad herders.

Islam is much more of a tragedy for Persians than it is for Arabs.


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In a different world.....Iran would be a beacon of Western ideas and ideals in the Middle East. The people of Iran are more like us than many realize.....it's their religious zealot leadership that has sucked.

Saudi Arabia....ugh. Nuke 'em.

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mainejeff wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Persians are engineers, mathematicians, and artists.

Arabs are nomad herders.

Islam is much more of a tragedy for Persians than it is for Arabs.


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In a different world.....Iran would be a beacon of Western ideas and ideals in the Middle East. The people of Iran are more like us than many realize.....it's their religious zealot leadership that has sucked.

Saudi Arabia....ugh. Nuke 'em.

:coffee:
I confirm, worked with a nuclear engineer from Iran for 4 years, broke bread with him many times. Great guy, didn't like the leadership back home in Iran. Missed our lunch one day when he went to the courthouse and got married, then returned to work afterward. Third marriage, so they planned a later honeymoon.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
:thumb:

In a different world.....Iran would be a beacon of Western ideas and ideals in the Middle East. The people of Iran are more like us than many realize.....it's their religious zealot leadership that has sucked.

Saudi Arabia....ugh. Nuke 'em.

:coffee:
I confirm, worked with a nuclear engineer from Iran for 4 years, broke bread with him many times.
You would have a lively security clearance investigation
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CID1990 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
I confirm, worked with a nuclear engineer from Iran for 4 years, broke bread with him many times.
You would have a lively security clearance investigation
I was told something similar while I was taking tests for the ASA - lived in Morocco in '68/'69.
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CID1990 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
I confirm, worked with a nuclear engineer from Iran for 4 years, broke bread with him many times.
You would have a lively security clearance investigation
I'm sure he was vetting pretty good, with his access to the nuclear power plant. The main focus of our group was construction at the facility. If we even had a file in the wrong place, the NRC was up our ass in no time.
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houndawg wrote:
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You would have a lively security clearance investigation
I was told something similar while I was taking tests for the ASA - lived in Morocco in '68/'69.
Morocco.... not on the list

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You would have a lively security clearance investigation
I was told something similar while I was taking tests for the ASA - lived in Morocco in '68/'69.
Morocco is just one or two extra questions. Other than that, it’s France.


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CID1990 wrote:
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I was told something similar while I was taking tests for the ASA - lived in Morocco in '68/'69.
Morocco is just one or two extra questions. Other than that, it’s France.


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houndawg wrote:
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Morocco is just one or two extra questions. Other than that, it’s France.


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The recruiter said that just having lived outside the US would be an issue, even though I was 15
That’s not really true. You’ll get extra questions but where you lived is nowhere close in terms of clearances than who you have associated with.

Your average employee of certain IC agencies has overseas experience - it is practically a prerequisite


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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
The recruiter said that just having lived outside the US would be an issue, even though I was 15
That’s not really true. You’ll get extra questions but where you lived is nowhere close in terms of clearances than who you have associated with.

Your average employee of certain IC agencies has overseas experience - it is practically a prerequisite


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What? The recruiter lied? :?
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That’s not really true. You’ll get extra questions but where you lived is nowhere close in terms of clearances than who you have associated with.

Your average employee of certain IC agencies has overseas experience - it is practically a prerequisite


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What? The recruiter lied? :?
More likely the recruiter didn’t understand the clearance process. That isn’t unusual.


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Ruh-roh. Mike Pence told West Point grad class to expect to face combat.

I guess Bolton wasn’t available.
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Ivytalk wrote:Ruh-roh. Mike Pence told West Point grad class to expect to face combat.

I guess Bolton wasn’t available.
Meh

Brent Scrowcroft said the same to us at The Citadel in 1991.


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Ivytalk wrote:Ruh-roh. Mike Pence told West Point grad class to expect to face combat.

I guess Bolton wasn’t available.
Why would somebody attending West Point not expect to face combat? :?
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Bolton doesn’t know whether to scratch his watch or wind his butt.

North Korea: Good!

Iran: Bad!
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