National Emergency Declared!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

40k out of 320 million is a "problem" that isn't even worth thinking about. It's so numerically small it's not even an anomaly.

Drugs, gays, doctors and autos kill far more people a year.

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And the Clintons.


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Nope they have only killed less than 60 but I bet the number of women Bill raped is close to the 40k mark

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[mainejeff]

The one that you are pointing at your own head (hopefully)?

Poor Jeff, stop with the hate man it will get you killed

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You coming to kill me? I'll be ready!

[SeattleGriz]

40k out of 320 million is a "problem" that isn't even worth thinking about. It's so numerically small it's not even an anomaly.

Drugs, gays, doctors and autos kill far more people a year.

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It's really only 16K. 24 of the 40K are suicides.

[mainejeff]

40k out of 320 million is a "problem" that isn't even worth thinking about. It's so numerically small it's not even an anomaly.

Drugs, gays, doctors and autos kill far more people a year.

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We're coming for your guns you murdering racist mother fucker.

[CitadelGrad]

What is a POTUS to do when Congress abdicates its responsibility and negligently creates the crisis?

So that’s a rationale for violating the constitution?


So much for “rule of law.”

I don't think it is at all clear that the Constitution has been violated.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Poor Jeff, stop with the hate man it will get you killed

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You coming to kill me? I'll be ready!

Of course not and no you wouldn't. Your hate is gonna kill you from the inside out

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

40k out of 320 million is a "problem" that isn't even worth thinking about. It's so numerically small it's not even an anomaly.

Drugs, gays, doctors and autos kill far more people a year.

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It's really only 16K. 24 of the 40K are suicides.

I know but I like to use bigger numbers and it's still irrelevant

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

40k out of 320 million is a "problem" that isn't even worth thinking about. It's so numerically small it's not even an anomaly.

Drugs, gays, doctors and autos kill far more people a year.

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We're coming for your guns you murdering racist mother fucker.

No, you don't have the balls to do it. You want somebody else to. I'm cool either way, so pack a lunch

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[Ibanez]

So that’s a rationale for violating the constitution?


So much for “rule of law.”

I don't think it is at all clear that the Constitution has been violated.

There still isn’t a crisis. Border crossings are at historical lows, most drugs come through PoE. Our immigration laws need to be enforced and we could use some extra support where it matters.

But Trump has fabricated this crisis so his low-information base won’t bail on him after he’s caved on the wall during the shutdown and caved on his promise that Mexico will pay.


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[AZGrizFan]

I don't think it is at all clear that the Constitution has been violated.

There still isn’t a crisis. Border crossings are at historical lows, most drugs come through PoE. Our immigration laws need to be enforced and we could use some extra support where it matters.

But Trump has fabricated this crisis so his low-information base won’t bail on him after he’s caved on the wall during the shutdown and caved on his promise that Mexico will pay.


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I disagree. There IS a crisis on the southern border...Not sure a “national emergency” declaration is the path to a solution, but there most definitely IS a crisis on the border. I’ve lived in border states for the past 28 years. There’s a crisis.

[Chizzang]

There still isn’t a crisis. Border crossings are at historical lows, most drugs come through PoE. Our immigration laws need to be enforced and we could use some extra support where it matters.

But Trump has fabricated this crisis so his low-information base won’t bail on him after he’s caved on the wall during the shutdown and caved on his promise that Mexico will pay.


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I disagree. There IS a crisis on the southern border...Not sure a “national emergency” declaration is the path to a solution, but there most definitely IS a crisis on the border. I’ve lived in border states for the past 28 years. There’s a crisis.

can you explain it in detail, this "crisis" you've been witnessing for 28 years...

[SeattleGriz]

I disagree. There IS a crisis on the southern border...Not sure a “national emergency” declaration is the path to a solution, but there most definitely IS a crisis on the border. I’ve lived in border states for the past 28 years. There’s a crisis.

can you explain it in detail, this "crisis" you've been witnessing for 28 years...

My favorite crisis was the van of coyotes shooting another van of coyotes to steal their illegals so they could extort money out of them. Right on the interstate going through Phoenix. Not to mention the 21 policeman deaths in under that many months by illegals when I just moved there.

I have no beef with the Mexicans. Let's put up barrier where we need it and overhaul the whole system. Both sides want the labor. This is proof right here how fucked up Congress is. They both want the same thing, but won't budge.

[Chizzang]

can you explain it in detail, this "crisis" you've been witnessing for 28 years...

My favorite crisis was the van of coyotes shooting another van of coyotes to steal their illegals so they could extort money out of them. Right on the interstate going through Phoenix. Not to mention the 21 policeman deaths in under that many months by illegals when I just moved there.

I have no beef with the Mexicans. Let's put up barrier where we need it and overhaul the whole system. Both sides want the labor. This is proof right here how fucked up Congress is. They both want the same thing, but won't budge.

Gosh if we could only figure out why they come here...
and how they actually get jobs

such a mystery...

But lets not focus on the cure lets focus on prevention
BTW: The cure costs 90% less than prevention in this example

[SeattleGriz]

My favorite crisis was the van of coyotes shooting another van of coyotes to steal their illegals so they could extort money out of them. Right on the interstate going through Phoenix. Not to mention the 21 policeman deaths in under that many months by illegals when I just moved there.

I have no beef with the Mexicans. Let's put up barrier where we need it and overhaul the whole system. Both sides want the labor. This is proof right here how fucked up Congress is. They both want the same thing, but won't budge.

Gosh if we could only figure out why they come here...
and how they actually get jobs

such a mystery...

But lets not focus on the cure lets focus on prevention
BTW: The cure costs 90% less than prevention in this example

Remember. One death is too many.

[Chizzang]

Gosh if we could only figure out why they come here...
and how they actually get jobs

such a mystery...

But lets not focus on the cure lets focus on prevention
BTW: The cure costs 90% less than prevention in this example

Remember. One death is too many.

Apparently holding even one mega corp accountable is too many also...

[AZGrizFan]

I disagree. There IS a crisis on the southern border...Not sure a “national emergency” declaration is the path to a solution, but there most definitely IS a crisis on the border. I’ve lived in border states for the past 28 years. There’s a crisis.

can you explain it in detail, this "crisis" you've been witnessing for 28 years...

Go find your own proof. Not looking to be mocked. I really DGAF whether you think there’s a crisis or not. And I don’t care if you believe me. But if you don’t think 400,000 illegals crossing each year is a crisis, I can’t help you. I KNOW what I know and a wall in critical places along the border would go a long ways towards solving the issues. But you do you, bro.

[Skjellyfetti]

I assume your 400k number is from total border apprehensions?

[AZGrizFan]

I assume your 400k number is from total border apprehensions?

Yes. And I know how that number is arrived at so don’t bother lecturing me.

[houndawg]

can you explain it in detail, this "crisis" you've been witnessing for 28 years...

My favorite crisis was the van of coyotes shooting another van of coyotes to steal their illegals so they could extort money out of them. Right on the interstate going through Phoenix. Not to mention the 21 policeman deaths in under that many months by illegals when I just moved there.

I have no beef with the Mexicans. Let's put up barrier where we need it and overhaul the whole system. Both sides want the labor. This is proof right here how **** up Congress is. They both want the same thing, but won't budge.

We won't need it if there aren't any jobs here. Lock up a couple of employers and the problem vanishes. Start with the head of HR at Mar-a-Lago

[houndawg]

I assume your 400k number is from total border apprehensions?

Yes. And I know how that number is arrived at so don’t bother lecturing me.

And stay off his lawn

[CitadelGrad]

I don't think it is at all clear that the Constitution has been violated.

There still isn’t a crisis. Border crossings are at historical lows, most drugs come through PoE. Our immigration laws need to be enforced and we could use some extra support where it matters.

But Trump has fabricated this crisis so his low-information base won’t bail on him after he’s caved on the wall during the shutdown and caved on his promise that Mexico will pay.


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How do you know border crossings are at an historical low? If you don't apprehend them, how do you know they crossed. Maybe you means apprehensions of illegal crossers are low or you mean legal movement through ports of entry are low.

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. And I know how that number is arrived at so don’t bother lecturing me.

And stay off his lawn

Yes. That too.

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. And I know how that number is arrived at so don’t bother lecturing me.

And stay off his lawn

Yes. That too.

[GannonFan]

There still isn’t a crisis. Border crossings are at historical lows, most drugs come through PoE. Our immigration laws need to be enforced and we could use some extra support where it matters.

But Trump has fabricated this crisis so his low-information base won’t bail on him after he’s caved on the wall during the shutdown and caved on his promise that Mexico will pay.


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How do you know border crossings are at an historical low? If you don't apprehend them, how do you know they crossed. Maybe you means apprehensions of illegal crossers are low or you mean legal movement through ports of entry are low.

That is an odd part about the stat whenever people show stats of how many illegal crossings there are or where drugs are smuggled in. If we don't catch the people coming in or the drugs being smuggled, it's like they didn't happen and they don't end up in the statistics.

As for constitutionality of this, as with most of the "national emergencies" I think it's pretty murky. The two that George W issued right after Sept 11 were far more impactful in terms of executive power. Shifting existing money within departments to build a wall isn't as momentous or adverse to individual rights as the one to go after anyone with terroristic ties (to be defined as necessary) and the ability to mobilize the armed forces (again to be defined as necessary). Congress has the power to stop these things since they can declare when a national emergency is over, but then again Congress has had the power to shape and determine immigration policy and we've seen the inaction in that regard.

[Skjellyfetti]