2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

[JohnStOnge]

And you need to realize:
-We have a massive trade imbalance with China.
-They put tariffs on US goods.
-They manipulate their currency.
-They conduct state sanctioned economic espionage against the US on a ginourmous scale..

And past POTUSes haven’t done a damn thing about any of the above..

BDK FTW

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

[AZGrizFan]

BDK FTW

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

[UNI88]

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

He understands economics about as well as AOC.

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[mainejeff]

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

Says the ultimate simpleton. Tom....please tell me this is all an act.

[Ibanez]

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

That's going to be one thing I will certainly pay attention to this cycle - how the Democrats are going to say we should not have touched NAFTA and other trade agreements that are 10+ years old. The status quo should be disrupted from time to time. Agreements should be reviewed and revised from time to time. How can you logically campaign against it. Campaign against his style. But I'm with Trump on the trade deals.

[Ibanez]

BDK FTW

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Me thinks you don't understand trade deficits.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/i ... eficit.asp

[AZGrizFan]

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

That's going to be one thing I will certainly pay attention to this cycle - how the Democrats are going to say we should not have touched NAFTA and other trade agreements that are 10+ years old. The status quo should be disrupted from time to time. Agreements should be reviewed and revised from time to time. How can you logically campaign against it. Campaign against his style. But I'm with Trump on the trade deals.

Yep.

Seems like attacking is style would be a no-brainer. Because he's had some very logical "successes" that are hard to campaign against...but they're not smart enough to do that. Instead they just keep moving further and further left....

Abolish ICE--who cares about crime?
Open borders--nothing to see here!
Free everything for everybody
Tax the "rich"--they'll pay for it!
Kill any baby under a week old? Fine...
Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

[kalm]

Jesus you’re a simpleton.

That's going to be one thing I will certainly pay attention to this cycle - how the Democrats are going to say we should not have touched NAFTA and other trade agreements that are 10+ years old. The status quo should be disrupted from time to time. Agreements should be reviewed and revised from time to time. How can you logically campaign against it. Campaign against his style. But I'm with Trump on the trade deals.

Remember Jack Abrahamoff and Tom Delay? When "free trade" was all the shit to the right because it brought cheap goods to the US and represented CAPITALISM? When progressives were the ones in favor of "fair trade", protectionism, and bemoaning the loss of some 50,000 US manufacturing operations to countries with lax environmental and labor laws?

Good times!

I'm guessing JSO is probably consistent with how he felt about it back then and practically everyone on the left is now against tariffs because...Trump and now practically everyone on the right is all 'Yay!...go protectionism'...because Trump.



Next thing you know, the Democrats will nominate someone who is pro Wall Street deregulation.

[CAA Flagship]

BDK FTW

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

Holy shit.

[Col Hogan]

BDK FTW

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

I'm not a trained economist...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night...

[Silenoz]

Obviously will never happen because he doesn't have enough political capital in that dumpster fire of a party, and isn't nearly radical enough for all the left-wingers. But they'd be smart to go all in on middle America.

Plus, if this fucker can keep winning a red state despite Trump personally trying to sink him, what does that tell you?

[AZGrizFan]

That's going to be one thing I will certainly pay attention to this cycle - how the Democrats are going to say we should not have touched NAFTA and other trade agreements that are 10+ years old. The status quo should be disrupted from time to time. Agreements should be reviewed and revised from time to time. How can you logically campaign against it. Campaign against his style. But I'm with Trump on the trade deals.

Remember Jack Abrahamoff and Tom Delay? When "free trade" was all the shit to the right because it brought cheap goods to the US and represented CAPITALISM? When progressives were the ones in favor of "fair trade", protectionism, and bemoaning the loss of some 50,000 US manufacturing operations to countries with lax environmental and labor laws?

Good times!

I'm guessing JSO is probably consistent with how he felt about it back then and practically everyone on the left is now against tariffs because...Trump and now practically everyone on the right is all 'Yay!...go protectionism'...because Trump.



Next thing you know, the Democrats will nominate someone who is pro Wall Street deregulation.

The major difference is I believe Trump's tariffs are a means to an end...largely, leveling the playing field somewhat....I don't think they're being put there for "protectionism" sake...more like a bargaining chip...art of the deal and all that...

[AZGrizFan]

Obviously will never happen because he doesn't have enough political capital in that dumpster fire of a party, and isn't nearly radical enough for all the left-wingers. But they'd be smart to go all in on middle America.

Plus, if this fucker can keep winning a red state despite Trump personally trying to sink him, what does that tell you?

That Montana voters are becoming progressively more stupid as more Californians move in?

[JohnStOnge]

He didn't win at all. The bottom line is that US consumers have benefitted greatly from what's going on with China. If that apple cart is upset US consumers are not going to be happy.

And this thing about a trade deficit being "bad" has got to stop. As may others have said, if I buy something from somebody I give them money and they give me what I want to buy. It's not "bad" when I go to Wal Mart and buy a cheap watch. I want a cheap watch. So I give Wal Mart $10 and Wal Mart gives me a cheap watch.

I have a trade deficit with Wal Mart. But we are both happy.

I'm not a trained economist...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/us/p ... trump.html

Most economists do not see the trade gap as money “lost” to other countries, nor do they worry about trade deficits to a large degree.

Look, when you buy something from someone else you get something and they get something. I don't think you need to be a professional economist to see that nobody loses unless someone gets cheated with respect to how much something is actually worth.

When people in the US buy Chinese goods, they are getting those goods for cheap. Do you really doubt that?

Why would you EXPECT to see a situation in which people in China were buying as much or more stuff produced in the United States as/than people in the United States are buying stuff produced in China?

[kalm]

Remember Jack Abrahamoff and Tom Delay? When "free trade" was all the shit to the right because it brought cheap goods to the US and represented CAPITALISM? When progressives were the ones in favor of "fair trade", protectionism, and bemoaning the loss of some 50,000 US manufacturing operations to countries with lax environmental and labor laws?

Good times!

I'm guessing JSO is probably consistent with how he felt about it back then and practically everyone on the left is now against tariffs because...Trump and now practically everyone on the right is all 'Yay!...go protectionism'...because Trump.



Next thing you know, the Democrats will nominate someone who is pro Wall Street deregulation.

The major difference is I believe Trump's tariffs are a means to an end...largely, leveling the playing field somewhat....I don't think they're being put there for "protectionism" sake...more like a bargaining chip...art of the deal and all that...

So protectionism is still a super-secret dirty word that Trump is playing 3-D chess with?

[Silenoz]

Obviously will never happen because he doesn't have enough political capital in that dumpster fire of a party, and isn't nearly radical enough for all the left-wingers. But they'd be smart to go all in on middle America.

Plus, if this fucker can keep winning a red state despite Trump personally trying to sink him, what does that tell you?

That Montana voters are becoming progressively more stupid as more Californians move in?

I don't think the Californians are the ones who voted in Greg "The Ark" Gianforte

[AZGrizFan]

That Montana voters are becoming progressively more stupid as more Californians move in?

I don't think the Californians are the ones who voted in Greg "The Ark" Gianforte

No, they’re the ones voting for John “I have a damned hunting license” Tester...

[AZGrizFan]

The major difference is I believe Trump's tariffs are a means to an end...largely, leveling the playing field somewhat....I don't think they're being put there for "protectionism" sake...more like a bargaining chip...art of the deal and all that...

So protectionism is still a super-secret dirty word that Trump is playing 3-D chess with?

Art of the deal, man...art of the deal....let it play out, bro.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not a trained economist...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/us/p ... trump.html

Most economists do not see the trade gap as money “lost” to other countries, nor do they worry about trade deficits to a large degree.

Look, when you buy something from someone else you get something and they get something. I don't think you need to be a professional economist to see that nobody loses unless someone gets cheated with respect to how much something is actually worth.

When people in the US buy Chinese goods, they are getting those goods for cheap. Do you really doubt that?

Why would you EXPECT to see a situation in which people in China were buying as much or more stuff produced in the United States as/than people in the United States are buying stuff produced in China?

John, it’s not THAT half of the equation that’s fucked up. It’s the OTHER half.

come on man...you’re smarter than that.

[Silenoz]

I don't think the Californians are the ones who voted in Greg "The Ark" Gianforte

No, they’re the ones voting for John “I have a damned hunting license” Tester...

Too busy getting shit done. Maybe Trump should take note and get off the damn golf course

[UNI88]

I'm not a trained economist...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/us/p ... trump.html

Most economists do not see the trade gap as money “lost” to other countries, nor do they worry about trade deficits to a large degree.

Look, when you buy something from someone else you get something and they get something. I don't think you need to be a professional economist to see that nobody loses unless someone gets cheated with respect to how much something is actually worth.

When people in the US buy Chinese goods, they are getting those goods for cheap. Do you really doubt that?

Why would you EXPECT to see a situation in which people in China were buying as much or more stuff produced in the United States as/than people in the United States are buying stuff produced in China?

John, here is something that Trip posted on another thread and my reply (and just so you understand Sally is China and Johnny is the US).

Also trade isn't a zero-sum game; it's just that China made more money than we did. Trump and the GOP have sold the trade deficit as America losing money. However a dramatic jump like this does mean our industries are losing potential profits because of the tariffs.

And if I'm confusing anyone, think of it like this: Sally made $10 and Johnny made $8. Johnny's deficit is $2 but they both made money. Is it worth being angry about if you're Johnny? So angry that you're willing to lose $2 in profits to make a point to Sally (who's a communist bitch).

I think it's a little more complicated than that. It's more like Johnny and Sally both make something that the other's family wants. Johnny lets Sally sell directly to him and all of his family members. Sally tells Johnny that the only way he can sell in her house is if he makes the product in partnership with her in her house. She watches everything he does and then uses his intellectual property to start selling the same product directly to her family members and other families in the neighborhood.

I'm a small l libertarian and I believe in free trade but it should be a two-way street and we don't have that with China. I find this whole tit-for-tat on trade very interesting because I believe that the US has been subsidizing world trade (both by allowing access to US markets at more favorable terms than we have access to other markets and by protecting shipping lanes) since at least the end of WWII. It made sense at the time because it helped with recovery and countries that are economically intertwined are less likely to resort to hostilities. It's become the status quo and any attempt to level the playing field is perceived as an attack on free trade.

If you're playing the long game (which the Chinese most definitely are), the benefits of leveling the playing field are huge and could be worth considerable pain in the present.

[kalm]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/us/p ... trump.html



Look, when you buy something from someone else you get something and they get something. I don't think you need to be a professional economist to see that nobody loses unless someone gets cheated with respect to how much something is actually worth.

When people in the US buy Chinese goods, they are getting those goods for cheap. Do you really doubt that?

Why would you EXPECT to see a situation in which people in China were buying as much or more stuff produced in the United States as/than people in the United States are buying stuff produced in China?

John, here is something that Trip posted on another thread and my reply (and just so you understand Sally is China and Johnny is the US).

I think it's a little more complicated than that. It's more like Johnny and Sally both make something that the other's family wants. Johnny lets Sally sell directly to him and all of his family members. Sally tells Johnny that the only way he can sell in her house is if he makes the product in partnership with her in her house. She watches everything he does and then uses his intellectual property to start selling the same product directly to her family members and other families in the neighborhood.

I'm a small l libertarian and I believe in free trade but it should be a two-way street and we don't have that with China. I find this whole tit-for-tat on trade very interesting because I believe that the US has been subsidizing world trade (both by allowing access to US markets at more favorable terms than we have access to other markets and by protecting shipping lanes) since at least the end of WWII. It made sense at the time because it helped with recovery and countries that are economically intertwined are less likely to resort to hostilities. It's become the status quo and any attempt to level the playing field is perceived as an attack on free trade.

If you're playing the long game (which the Chinese most definitely are), the benefits of leveling the playing field are huge and could be worth considerable pain in the present.

Well said!

Just like with capitalism, I'm all for free trade too if it's a level playing field and benefits both families.

[AZGrizFan]

No, they’re the ones voting for John “I have a damned hunting license” Tester...

Too busy getting shit done. Maybe Trump should take note and get off the damn golf course

Don't make me post the list again of shit he (Trump) has gotten done.

[AZGrizFan]

John, here is something that Trip posted on another thread and my reply (and just so you understand Sally is China and Johnny is the US).

Well said!

Just like with capitalism, I'm all for free trade too if it's a level playing field and benefits both families.

88's post shows just how little JSO understands this shit. It IS 3D chess to JSO...

[93henfan]

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