UNI88, Chizzy, and Pitchfork Economics

[AZGrizFan]

Agree with all of this but he’s one guy who DOES have access and he leaves the impression he’s ruffled some feathers. That’s not a bad thing, Debbie Downer.

Look you know I'm right there with you on this...
I'm the guy around here who tries to explain to the Anti-Welfare crowd
"Welfare isn't for poor people, it's for rich people... it keeps them from getting hanged in the streets"

Eliminating federal social safety nets is a really really bad idea
and if you don't "get it" there's nothing else to try and explain
also:
Lifting up the middle class and kindness payback strategies don't impress Wall Street

Hanauer is talking to people who are living the control portion of the Stanford Prison Experiment in real time
of course they don't see what he's talking about

What prevents the Russian leadership from getting hanged in the streets, then?

And ease up on the "CFO's dangling from telephone poles" crap, pal. We aren't ALL crooks.

[Chizzang]

Look you know I'm right there with you on this...
I'm the guy around here who tries to explain to the Anti-Welfare crowd
"Welfare isn't for poor people, it's for rich people... it keeps them from getting hanged in the streets"

Eliminating federal social safety nets is a really really bad idea
and if you don't "get it" there's nothing else to try and explain
also:
Lifting up the middle class and kindness payback strategies don't impress Wall Street

Hanauer is talking to people who are living the control portion of the Stanford Prison Experiment in real time
of course they don't see what he's talking about

What prevents the Russian leadership from getting hanged in the streets, then?

And ease up on the "CFO's dangling from telephone poles" crap, pal. We aren't ALL crooks.

Are you seriously asking me what a brutal dictatorship does to maintain control..?
and if you even try to explain how Putin is not running a brutal dictatorship you lose 99%
of what little credibility you have



and there's a difference between a "crook" and being the control portion of a power trip

[kalm]

What prevents the Russian leadership from getting hanged in the streets, then?

And ease up on the "CFO's dangling from telephone poles" crap, pal. We aren't ALL crooks.

Are you seriously asking me what a brutal dictatorship does to maintain control..?
and if you even try to explain how Putin is not running a brutal dictatorship you lose 99%
of what little credibility you have



and there's a difference between a "crook" and being the control portion of a power trip

“I rightfully acquired that money” might ring hollow.

[dbackjon]

No doubt about it
But where is this conservatism you speak of..?

Tax breaks that have been proven already to increase the deficit
including just flat out - out spending the Liberal previous administration

When do we actually "get" a Conservative that spends less than his Liberal predecessor ?
Can you show me an actual example of a conservative administration that decreased spending



I ask and i ask...
and nobody can ever show me a conservative in practice (only in principal) never in practice

Well if they don’t, then they aren’t really conservative, are they?

And any true conservative knows that tax cuts without spending cuts don’t do anything (beneficial)

So if your question is specific, the answer is “only maybe 3-4 people currently in Congress”

I’d run for Congress if a) I thought I could win, b) didn’t have anything better to do and c) thought it would matter

Conservatism is all fine and good for politicians right up to the point where your opponents hit you with “support the military” and “push servicemembers off the cliff” and then they cave on spending cuts. Every time

FTFY

[Chizzang]

Are you seriously asking me what a brutal dictatorship does to maintain control..?
and if you even try to explain how Putin is not running a brutal dictatorship you lose 99%
of what little credibility you have



and there's a difference between a "crook" and being the control portion of a power trip

“I rightfully acquired that money” might ring hollow.

AZ inadvertently explains everything you need to know about the problem
Our American political system has legalized corporate profit management tactics
it's now conveniently built into the system

So, like all of the previously mentioned "Cruelty Experiments"
where those in control exhibit verifiable human tendencies to extricate every last drop

We have AZ chiming in right on queue
to ask what does Russia do?
and then also perfectly point out creating strife and poverty is perfectly legal




Can you see my point now Kalm....
Hanauer needs to be asking different questions

[kalm]

“I rightfully acquired that money” might ring hollow.

AZ inadvertently explains everything you need to know about the problem
Our American political system has legalized corporate profit management tactics
it's now conveniently built into the system

So, like all of the previously mentioned "Cruelty Experiments"
where those in control exhibit verifiable human tendencies to extricate every last drop

We have AZ chiming in right on queue
to ask what does Russia do?
and then also perfectly point out creating strife and poverty is perfectly legal




Can you see my point now Kalm....
Hanauer needs to be asking different questions

Yep. We’re on the same page.

[AZGrizFan]

Are you seriously asking me what a brutal dictatorship does to maintain control..?
and if you even try to explain how Putin is not running a brutal dictatorship you lose 99%
of what little credibility you have



and there's a difference between a "crook" and being the control portion of a power trip

“I rightfully acquired that money” might ring hollow.

I never said anything about a brutal dictatorship (or the lack of one). Merely asked a question. You answer with your usual smugness. Right on cue.

But, given human nature (which we all agree is deeply flawed), if the only two solutions to controlling the masses are a brutal dictatorship or welfare programs to keep from getting hanged in the street, I'll take welfare programs for $1,000, Alex.

“I rightfully acquired that money” might ring hollow.

AZ inadvertently explains everything you need to know about the problem
Our American political system has legalized corporate profit management tactics
it's now conveniently built into the system

So, like all of the previously mentioned "Cruelty Experiments"
where those in control exhibit verifiable human tendencies to extricate every last drop

We have AZ chiming in right on queue
to ask what does Russia do?
and then also perfectly point out creating strife and poverty is perfectly legal

And man oh man, I have never seen ANYBODY be able to wring MORE bullshit logic out of something than you. You really should stop jumping to conclusions...you're not nearly the psychological/social/geopolitical expert you believe yourself to be.

[Chizzang]

AZ inadvertently explains everything you need to know about the problem
Our American political system has legalized corporate profit management tactics
it's now conveniently built into the system

So, like all of the previously mentioned "Cruelty Experiments"
where those in control exhibit verifiable human tendencies to extricate every last drop

We have AZ chiming in right on queue
to ask what does Russia do?
and then also perfectly point out creating strife and poverty is perfectly legal




Can you see my point now Kalm....
Hanauer needs to be asking different questions

Yep. We’re on the same page.

Really a person just ends up sounding like Noam Chomsky when you play it all the way out...
And Noam (Like Coscto) has been relegated to the recycle bin of "things better to be ignored"

So here we go...
The Corporate design is built perfectly in this regard
Because firstly - creating poverty among the ranks of your own employees isn't a crime (as AZ noted)
and in fact its so morally ambiguous and detached it can be defended as the right thing to do

Psychologically speaking
There have been dozens of experiments that are structured much like a Corporate Board
and without fail humans (good honest folks) grow to become emotionally detached from the subjects

So Boards presented with numbers over and over again
The numbers become the most important thing... and Wall Street verifies that conclusion
and the humans that represent the employee base
become an expense and a problem

you can make it more complicated than that -- but it's not

America
The End...



Also: Were I on a Board I would behave identically
This isn't some kind of indictment against rich people - it's an indictment against corporate design
Its perfectly designed to create distance and ambiguity
and Wall Street acts as the motivator reward system

Its absolutely perfect
perfectly good people stand no chance - see any cruelty experiment
Perfectly good people do horrible things if properly detached and motivated

again:
These are perfectly good people on these boards... grandma's and fathers and brothers (real humans)

[AZGrizFan]

So here we go...
The Corporate design is built perfectly in this regard
Because firstly - creating poverty among the ranks of your own employees isn't a crime (as AZ noted)
and in fact its so morally ambiguous and detached it can be defended as the right thing to do

Hey, fuckstick: Quit putting words into my mouth that I never said. Please point out exactly where I "noted" that creating poverty among the ranks of your employees isn't a crime. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You're not very good at this, are you?

[Chizzang]

Hey, fuckstick: Quit putting words into my mouth that I never said. Please point out exactly where I "noted" that creating poverty among the ranks of your employees isn't a crime. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You're not very good at this, are you?

Settle down...
this isn't an indictment of your character, I sincerely believe you're a good man

You just happen to make the true observation that "CFO's aren't all crooks"
Which is absolutely indisputable

It just happened to play well into my argument
That impoverishing one's employee base isn't a crime - in fact - it's considered "smart business"



Hugs

[Chizzang]

Nobody says it better than Team America

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[kalm]

Hey, fuckstick: Quit putting words into my mouth that I never said. Please point out exactly where I "noted" that creating poverty among the ranks of your employees isn't a crime. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You're not very good at this, are you?

Settle down...
this isn't an indictment of your character, I sincerely believe you're a good man

You just happen to make the true observation that "CFO's aren't all crooks"
Which is absolutely indisputable

It just happened to play well into my argument
That impoverishing one's employee base isn't a crime - in fact - it's considered "smart business"



Hugs

I think a number of people are getting tired of “smart businesss”.

[AZGrizFan]

Hey, fuckstick: Quit putting words into my mouth that I never said. Please point out exactly where I "noted" that creating poverty among the ranks of your employees isn't a crime. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You're not very good at this, are you?

Settle down...
this isn't an indictment of your character, I sincerely believe you're a good man

You just happen to make the true observation that "CFO's aren't all crooks"
Which is absolutely indisputable

It just happened to play well into my argument
That impoverishing one's employee base isn't a crime - in fact - it's considered "smart business"



Hugs

How in the fuck do you connect “not all CFO’s are crooks” to “impoverishing one’s employee base isn’t a crime”? That is a leap that even Evel Kneivel wouldn’t attempt...

[Chizzang]

Settle down...
this isn't an indictment of your character, I sincerely believe you're a good man

You just happen to make the true observation that "CFO's aren't all crooks"
Which is absolutely indisputable

It just happened to play well into my argument
That impoverishing one's employee base isn't a crime - in fact - it's considered "smart business"



Hugs

How in the fuck do you connect “not all CFO’s are crooks” to “impoverishing one’s employee base isn’t a crime”? That is a leap that even Evel Kneivel wouldn’t attempt...

You entertain me !

a) The CFO's dangling from light posts comment that I made
b) caused you to respond with not all CFO's are crooks
c) that caused me to say impoverishing ones employee base isn't a crime

is not a leap

Being "criminals" isn't really what's going to get CFO's hung in the streets
Taking a $20 million dollar bonus while reducing employee benefits is perfectly legal
and THAT is the kind of behavior that's going to get CFO's dangling from light posts

But hey, not all CFO's are crooks
True statement - irrelevant to the conversation - but true

[kalm]

How in the fuck do you connect “not all CFO’s are crooks” to “impoverishing one’s employee base isn’t a crime”? That is a leap that even Evel Kneivel wouldn’t attempt...

You entertain me !

a) The CFO's dangling from light posts comment that I made
b) caused you to respond with not all CFO's are crooks
c) that caused me to say impoverishing ones employee base isn't a crime

is not a leap

Being "criminals" isn't really what's going to get CFO's hung in the streets
Taking a $20 million dollar bonus while reducing employee benefits is perfectly legal
and THAT is the kind of behavior that's going to get CFO's dangling from light posts

But hey, not all CFO's are crooks
True statement - irrelevant to the conversation - but true

Chizzy in his role as the Scarlett Pimpernell....it’s a thankless job.

[AZGrizFan]

How in the fuck do you connect “not all CFO’s are crooks” to “impoverishing one’s employee base isn’t a crime”? That is a leap that even Evel Kneivel wouldn’t attempt...

You entertain me !

a) The CFO's dangling from light posts comment that I made
b) caused you to respond with not all CFO's are crooks
c) that caused me to say impoverishing ones employee base isn't a crime

is not a leap

Being "criminals" isn't really what's going to get CFO's hung in the streets
Taking a $20 million dollar bonus while reducing employee benefits is perfectly legal
and THAT is the kind of behavior that's going to get CFO's dangling from light posts

But hey, not all CFO's are crooks
True statement - irrelevant to the conversation - but true

In my true Short-Attention-Span-Theatre moment, I went back and reread the ENTIRE exchange just now, and realized how that convo transpired. Evel may have, in fact, attempted that leap.

But I don't take back my "fuckstick" comment. It stands on its own merit.

[Chizzang]

You entertain me !

a) The CFO's dangling from light posts comment that I made
b) caused you to respond with not all CFO's are crooks
c) that caused me to say impoverishing ones employee base isn't a crime

is not a leap

Being "criminals" isn't really what's going to get CFO's hung in the streets
Taking a $20 million dollar bonus while reducing employee benefits is perfectly legal
and THAT is the kind of behavior that's going to get CFO's dangling from light posts

But hey, not all CFO's are crooks
True statement - irrelevant to the conversation - but true

In my true Short-Attention-Span-Theatre moment, I went back and reread the ENTIRE exchange just now, and realized how that convo transpired. Evel may have, in fact, attempted that leap.

But I don't take back my "fuckstick" comment. It stands on its own merit.

The thing is... I know you're a good man
V told me you were 15 years ago or whenever that was



and as much as we argue - we still agree on more things than we disagree
It's just more fun to argue - which is why we're all here in the first place

[AZGrizFan]

In my true Short-Attention-Span-Theatre moment, I went back and reread the ENTIRE exchange just now, and realized how that convo transpired. Evel may have, in fact, attempted that leap.

But I don't take back my "fuckstick" comment. It stands on its own merit.

The thing is... I know you're a good man
V told me you were 15 years ago or whenever that was



and as much as we argue - we still agree on more things than we disagree
It's just more fun to argue - which is why we're all here in the first place

Fine, fuckstick.

[Ivytalk]

In my true Short-Attention-Span-Theatre moment, I went back and reread the ENTIRE exchange just now, and realized how that convo transpired. Evel may have, in fact, attempted that leap.

But I don't take back my "****" comment. It stands on its own merit.

The thing is... I know you're a good man
V told me you were 15 years ago or whenever that was



and as much as we argue - we still agree on more things than we disagree
It's just more fun to argue - which is why we're all here in the first place

There won’t be any riots or lynchings of entrepreneurs. Book it. Just make sure your Medina moat is deep enough.

[Chizzang]

The thing is... I know you're a good man
V told me you were 15 years ago or whenever that was



and as much as we argue - we still agree on more things than we disagree
It's just more fun to argue - which is why we're all here in the first place

There won’t be any riots or lynchings of entrepreneurs. Book it. Just make sure your Medina moat is deep enough.

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

[CID1990]

There won’t be any riots or lynchings of entrepreneurs. Book it. Just make sure your Medina moat is deep enough.

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

And run over us with shopping carts or knock us out with B.O.

[Ivytalk]

There won’t be any riots or lynchings of entrepreneurs. Book it. Just make sure your Medina moat is deep enough.

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

With Nancy Pelosi and the Donks taking over the House
There is ZERO risk of entitlement cuts
But as you love to point out
The US will spend itself to death
Congress lacks the political will to make necessary adjustments

[Chizzang]

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

With Nancy Pelosi and the Donks taking over the House
There is ZERO risk of entitlement cuts
But as you love to point out
The US will spend itself to death
Congress lacks the political will to make necessary adjustments

At this point I'm just riding it out man...
I'd appreciate it if our Federal Gov't would continue handing out cash allotment sleeping pills to the poor

[AZGrizFan]

There won’t be any riots or lynchings of entrepreneurs. Book it. Just make sure your Medina moat is deep enough.

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

Honest question: Do you attribute the whole ‘99%’er” movement to the poor waking up? Or is there something else to attribute that movement to?

[Chizzang]

As long as social support programs keep running (just like Indian Reservations)
The American poor will amble along the fringes like zombies

But act the way we're acting AND remove social programs
and the Zombies start waking up

Honest question: Do you attribute the whole ‘99%’er” movement to the poor waking up? Or is there something else to attribute that movement to?

Actually,
I attribute that to Wall Street .01% ers flipping the global economy into the fire pit
and then telling everybody that legislating oversight of them would totally kill progress