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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:There's a lot of "missing the point" going on here...
A public Utility Structures responsibility is to provide reasonable unrestricted access to said "utility"
It is not their responsibility to tell you what you can use the provided utility for

Example:
Public Electricity Management doesn't tell you what you're allowed to use the provided electricity for
in a general sense - however they can limit your total usage in extreme cases

as well as Water Management Systems
They will occasionally set regulations on watering the lawn during a drought
but when you twist the faucet water comes out - without anybody looking over your shoulder

Youtube is not restricting anybody's access to the internet
Youtube is not an ISP or Broadband Service Provider
Notice I used the term "commons" instead of "utility". 8-)

What happens if a private company dominates the commons to a point where they dictate how and by whom it gets used?
Then it is not a "utility" it is a private service...
Until we classify our broadband infrastructure as a public utility Comcast can do whatever it wants

However our government doesn't have the balls or the honesty and transparency to do so...
Our Federal Servants are bought and paid for by private monies and do what they are told

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Sites are now culpable for what their users post. If users post ads for prostitution, sites like Backpage can be held responsible for failing to moderate. Backpage decided to close up shop.

Sites should be able to moderate as they see fit. Alex Jones is using a service with terms and conditions. He can still release his podcast and his videos himself. If he wants to use a third party - he has to abide by their TOS.

I don't think we should censor the internet like China or Russia... but, this isn't governmrnt censorship.

Plenty of "moderation free" alternatives have sprung up like BitChute, Voat, DTube, etc. If there's enough demand, those sites will drive more traffic. Haven't heard of them? Exactly.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Plenty of "moderation free" or at least almost free have sprung up like BitChute, Voat, DTube, etc. If there's enough demand, those sites will drive more traffic. Haven't heard of them? Exactly.
You know what moderation-free websites end up devolving into?

Racism. Sexism. Every other -ism. Trolling. White supremacy. Conspiracies. Gore. Porn. Child porn.

See 4Chan.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Plenty of "moderation free" or at least almost free have sprung up like BitChute, Voat, DTube, etc. If there's enough demand, those sites will drive more traffic. Haven't heard of them? Exactly.
You know what moderation-free websites end up devolving into?

Racism. Sexism. Every other -ism. Trolling. White supremacy. Conspiracies. Gore. Porn. Child porn.

See 4Chan.
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Seems like the only ones banned are conservatives. Shows that FB, Twitter etc. are just trying to chip at conservatives rights to free speech. Tell me one lefty who has been banned anywhere.


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I really don't care about Alex Jones. He's already getting Trumplike levels of free media coverage because of this. Meh.
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css75 wrote:Seems like the only ones banned are conservatives. Shows that FB, Twitter etc. are just trying to chip at conservatives rights to free speech. Tell me one lefty who has been banned anywhere.
Dude, that's a given. :nod: :nod:
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Ivytalk wrote:I really don't care about Alex Jones. He's already getting Trumplike levels of free media coverage because of this. Meh.

True, but who will be next?


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css75 wrote:Seems like the only ones banned are conservatives. Shows that FB, Twitter etc. are just trying to chip at conservatives rights to free speech. Tell me one lefty who has been banned anywhere.
Dude, that's a given. :nod: :nod:
Jones was just the first step. This will embolden the techno nerds. I see Facebook and Twitter starting to ban more and more mainstream Conks...sooner rather than later. :nod:
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Baldy wrote:
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Dude, that's a given. :nod: :nod:
Jones was just the first step. This will embolden the techno nerds. I see Facebook and Twitter starting to ban more and more mainstream Conks...sooner rather than later. :nod:
I got banned from twitter for 12 hours for telling a guy he'd gone "full retard".

He had just implied I was a fag and was blowing Trump. His comments were deemed "not to be a problem" by the twitter police.
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Vidav wrote:They have the right to ban anyone they want from their platforms.
You read what he wrote, right?
Not really. :oops:
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Baldy wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Dude, that's a given. :nod: :nod:
Jones was just the first step. This will embolden the techno nerds. I see Facebook and Twitter starting to ban more and more mainstream Conks...sooner rather than later. :nod:
Civilized societies tend to not like assholes. Welcome to something we call reality. :coffee:
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∞∞∞ wrote:Civilized societies tend to not like assholes.
Thank God this board is not civilized.
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I know next to nothing about Alex Jones. I do think that we should have a culture that errs on the side of allowing people to say what they want to say. I don't think it's really a legal question. I think that if we as a culture are involved in trying to repress ideas, regardless of how repugnant most of us may think they are, that is a problem.
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Excellent JSO, concur.


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Excellent JSO, concur.


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Baldy wrote: Jones was just the first step. This will embolden the techno nerds. I see Facebook and Twitter starting to ban more and more mainstream Conks...sooner rather than later. :nod:
Civilized societies tend to not like assholes. Welcome to something we call reality. :coffee:
One of the fundamental building blocks of this “civilized society” is freedom of speech. But you’ve burned that document in your mind a looong time ago.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Sites are now culpable for what their users post. If users post ads for prostitution, sites like Backpage can be held responsible for failing to moderate. Backpage decided to close up shop.

Sites should be able to moderate as they see fit. Alex Jones is using a service with terms and conditions. He can still release his podcast and his videos himself. If he wants to use a third party - he has to abide by their TOS.

I don't think we should censor the internet like China or Russia... but, this isn't governmrnt censorship.

Plenty of "moderation free" alternatives have sprung up like BitChute, Voat, DTube, etc. If there's enough demand, those sites will drive more traffic. Haven't heard of them? Exactly.
They banned him for undisclosed threshold violations. And “unsdiclosed” is the problem here. If they are going to ban someone for violating a certain threshold, then should have to define exactly what those thresholds are.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Civilized societies tend to not like assholes. Welcome to something we call reality. :coffee:
One of the fundamental building blocks of this “civilized society” is freedom of speech. But you’ve burned that document in your mind a looong time ago.
I believe individuals can say whatever they wish and the gov't shouldn't suppress, deny, or punish that speech.

I also believe society can cast those individuals as social pariahs for that same speech.
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Here we go- leaked donk’s Senate plan to take over the interent...

Mandatory location verification. The paper suggests forcing social media platforms to authenticate and disclose the geographic origin of all user accounts or posts.

Mandatory identity verification: The paper suggests forcing social media and tech platforms to authenticate user identities and only allow "authentic" accounts ("inauthentic accounts not only pose threats to our democratic process...but undermine the integrity of digital markets"), with "failure to appropriately address inauthentic account activity" punishable as "a violation of both SEC disclosure rules and/or Section 5 of the [Federal Trade Commission] Act."

Bot labeling: Warner's paper suggests forcing companies to somehow label bots or be penalized (no word from Warner on how this is remotely feasible)

Define popular tech as "essential facilities." These would be subject to all sorts of heightened rules and controls, says the paper, offering Google Maps as an example of the kinds of apps or platforms that might count. "The law would not mandate that a dominant provider offer the serve for free," writes Warner. "Rather, it would be required to offer it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms" provided by the government....”
https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/31/demo ... ans-leaked
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BDKJMU wrote:Here we go- leaked donk’s Senate plan to take over the interent...

Mandatory location verification. The paper suggests forcing social media platforms to authenticate and disclose the geographic origin of all user accounts or posts.

Mandatory identity verification: The paper suggests forcing social media and tech platforms to authenticate user identities and only allow "authentic" accounts ("inauthentic accounts not only pose threats to our democratic process...but undermine the integrity of digital markets"), with "failure to appropriately address inauthentic account activity" punishable as "a violation of both SEC disclosure rules and/or Section 5 of the [Federal Trade Commission] Act."

Bot labeling: Warner's paper suggests forcing companies to somehow label bots or be penalized (no word from Warner on how this is remotely feasible)

Define popular tech as "essential facilities." These would be subject to all sorts of heightened rules and controls, says the paper, offering Google Maps as an example of the kinds of apps or platforms that might count. "The law would not mandate that a dominant provider offer the serve for free," writes Warner. "Rather, it would be required to offer it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms" provided by the government....”
https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/31/demo ... ans-leaked
Literally none of this is a bad idea; I'd personally love to verify if you're a Russian troll or not. :coffee:

In fact the last point would likely have allowed Alex Jones to stay on Youtube, Facebook, etc.
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HI54UNI wrote:Should this ad be banned?

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Vidav wrote:They have the right to ban anyone they want from their platforms.
We should ban youtube, Facebook and Twitter from our public utility. :dunce:
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