The Worstest Generation?

[Ibanez]

Yeah, thanks Mom and Dad and society for telling me every day of school that i need to go to college to make something of myself. The blame is on everyone.

My parents generation were not baby boomers, and they told their kids to go to college. Not all my siblings were boomers either.

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are fuck ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

[houndawg]

Boomer

The last 4 presidents were boomers, Clinton, Bush and Trump all born in 1946, Obama 61. All lived thru the Vietnam era, none really served. Many of the kids in my hometown, wondered if they would grow up to fight in Vietnam, and several of the older ones did. Civil Rights improved more during the lives of the Boomers, than any other generation since Lincoln. Still plenty room to grow though. The generations that think it's bad now, should look back to the history books, with all the lynchings, separate bathrooms, hotels, schools etc. Plenty of riot footage to view from that era. I really don't think it's a generational thing, it's a government that continues to grow. Yes, FDR was part of the expanding government.

And the cult of individualism? Guess that's why there are so many retirement communities and other Senior groups around the country. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did some wonderful things, that has led to uniting people around the world.

Boomer by the classic definition, which is wrong.


They may be lumped as Boomers but there are really two classes of Boomers and Obama is definitely not the same Boomer as the other three.

[Gil Dobie]

My parents generation were not baby boomers, and they told their kids to go to college. Not all my siblings were boomers either.

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are **** ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Several teacher preached it, and they were not boomers. I'm still not convinced that it's a generational thing. If I don't like my life, my job, where I live etc, the only person I can blame is myself. Is there anything I can do to change any of it?

[Gil Dobie]

Boomer

The last 4 presidents were boomers, Clinton, Bush and Trump all born in 1946, Obama 61. All lived thru the Vietnam era, none really served. Many of the kids in my hometown, wondered if they would grow up to fight in Vietnam, and several of the older ones did. Civil Rights improved more during the lives of the Boomers, than any other generation since Lincoln. Still plenty room to grow though. The generations that think it's bad now, should look back to the history books, with all the lynchings, separate bathrooms, hotels, schools etc. Plenty of riot footage to view from that era. I really don't think it's a generational thing, it's a government that continues to grow. Yes, FDR was part of the expanding government.

And the cult of individualism? Guess that's why there are so many retirement communities and other Senior groups around the country. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did some wonderful things, that has led to uniting people around the world.

Boomer by the classic definition, which is wrong.


They may be lumped as Boomers but there are really two classes of Boomers and Obama is definitely not the same Boomer as the other three.

They are all rich boomers.

[∞∞∞]

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are **** ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Despite the "entitled" label given to us by older people, Millennials are the most community-service and charity-minded generation since the Greatest Generation, even though we have less dollars to give.

I don't think older people really understand that in general, the rule of "It's the economy stupid" doesn't work with Millennials. As a cohort, so far we've been lifted by the sense of purpose more than money.

[CAA Flagship]

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are **** ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Despite the "entitled" label given to us by older people, Millennials are the most community-service and charity-minded generation since the Greatest Generation, even though we have less dollars to give.

I don't think older people really understand that in general, the rule of "It's the economy stupid" doesn't work with Millennials. As a cohort, so far we've been lifted by the sense of purpose more than money.

How do you think you got that way? It was Boomers that taught these things to you. Things like recycling, reusable grocery bags, low flow water fixtures, etc. Millennials are the indoctrinated generation. And Millennials will be the generation that improves on that, followed by X, Y, Z. The snowball rolls.

[Ibanez]

Despite the "entitled" label given to us by older people, Millennials are the most community-service and charity-minded generation since the Greatest Generation, even though we have less dollars to give.

I don't think older people really understand that in general, the rule of "It's the economy stupid" doesn't work with Millennials. As a cohort, so far we've been lifted by the sense of purpose more than money.

How do you think you got that way? It was Boomers that taught these things to you. Things like recycling, reusable grocery bags, low flow water fixtures, etc. Millennials are the indoctrinated generation. And Millennials will be the generation that improves on that, followed by X, Y, Z. The snowball rolls.

Oh...so the good things like recycling we learned, but the participation trophies, sense of entitlement are our fault and our fault only?

FWIW, my parents don't give a shit about recycling. or food waste whereas I recycle, re use as much as i can and all food waste goes to the compost.

[Winterborn]

Pretty much boils down to how one was raised, rather than what year you were born in. Sure there may have been some trends over some year spans, based on common experiences but a lot comes down to nurture.

[∞∞∞]

FWIW, my parents don't give a **** about recycling. or food waste whereas I recycle, re use as much as i can and all food waste goes to the compost.

Same; my parents think it's too much work...to recycle. They'd probably laugh me out of their house for suggesting composting; actually it'd probably be as foreign a concept to them as ride-sharing.

[CAA Flagship]

How do you think you got that way? It was Boomers that taught these things to you. Things like recycling, reusable grocery bags, low flow water fixtures, etc. Millennials are the indoctrinated generation. And Millennials will be the generation that improves on that, followed by X, Y, Z. The snowball rolls.

Oh...so the good things like recycling we learned, but the participation trophies, sense of entitlement are our fault and our fault only?

FWIW, my parents don't give a shit about recycling. or food waste whereas I recycle, re use as much as i can and all food waste goes to the compost.

When did I say anything about participation trophies?

My point is that generational tendencies are born at early ages. Recycling didn't exist like it does today when your parents were growing up. Change is hard for many. Just before you were born, co-mingling recyclable products was not allowed; Glass in one container, Aluminum in another. Then came plastic. Processes have altered/improved so that we can throw all the shit in the same container and they will sort it at the facility for us. Now, many kitchen cabinets are equipped with two waste containers, one being for recycling. That wasn't even a consideration in the 60's or 70's.

[Gil Dobie]

Oh...so the good things like recycling we learned, but the participation trophies, sense of entitlement are our fault and our fault only?

FWIW, my parents don't give a **** about recycling. or food waste whereas I recycle, re use as much as i can and all food waste goes to the compost.

When did I say anything about participation trophies?

My point is that generational tendencies are born at early ages. Recycling didn't exist like it does today when your parents were growing up. Change is hard for many. Just before you were born, co-mingling recyclable products was not allowed; Glass in one container, Aluminum in another. Then came plastic. Processes have altered/improved so that we can throw all the **** in the same container and they will sort it at the facility for us. Now, many kitchen cabinets are equipped with two waste containers, one being for recycling. That wasn't even a consideration in the 60's or 70's.

This is how the greatest generation recycled. Everything tossed into a burning barrell.



Every generation adds an improvement. Now almost everything is recycled, regardless of when you were born. Certain people, members of all generations, refuse to recycle.

[houndawg]

The Boomers gave us the music of the 60's - the greatest decade of music.

They also gave us Abba and the Bee Gees.

... ain't 'merican boomers

[clenz]

I worked in the trade field for 4.5 years (HVAC, plumbing and construction). Around here those guys make no where near 80k a year. The extreme majority of guys are in the 40k range. I had techs asking if my supply house was hiring for warehouse or driver help because the small decrease in pay was worth it for how their bodies were beat to hell by 40 years old.



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[houndawg]

Good article. I enjoyed this quote

This is a generation that is dominated by feelings, not by facts. The irony is that boomers criticize millennials for being snowflakes, for being too driven by feelings. But the boomers are the first big feelings generation. They’re highly motivated by feelings and not persuaded by facts. And you can see this in their policies.

My parents are Boomers (1950). I was talking to them on Saturday about some family stuff and mentioned that if I could buy the medical office my grandmother had, it'd be a great investment as it was for my grandparents. I told them our plan to have real estate be our retirement b/c Social Security won't be there and they asked me why. I was honest, I said Boomers have robbed it. Their reply : We payed into it and there are a lot of us. I had to remind them that it wasn't the paying out of SS to recipients that was the problem, it was the Boomers using SS as a slush find for everything else.

It's up to Gen X and Millennial's (the oldest millennial's are now 35/36 yrs old) to vote out the Boomers. The Millennials got the numbers a few years ago but enough of this Boomer crap. They aren't going to be around (or aware) in 20-40 years and there are more Millennial's then there are Boomers or Gen X.

I agree with the premise, to fix the problems, we'll need a mix of serious cuts and taxes. However - I don't see that happening. I especially don't see any of the these Democratic Socialists cutting anything.

They should have reminded you that the first President to steal from the SS fund was Reagan, who is definitely not a boomer.

[houndawg]

I worked in the trade field for 4.5 years (HVAC, plumbing and construction). Around here those guys make no where near 80k a year. The extreme majority of guys are in the 40k range. I had techs asking if my supply house was hiring for warehouse or driver help because the small decrease in pay was worth it for how their bodies were beat to hell by 40 years old.



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Weak unions in Iowa?

[clenz]

My parents generation were not baby boomers, and they told their kids to go to college. Not all my siblings were boomers either.

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are fuck ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Yup.

The way that college, not trade certificates...talking 4 year degrees, were militaristic you beaten in our heads every single day of our schools lives is impossible to ignore.

Schools had dozens of posters about how “4 year college grads, regardless of degree, earn a million dollars more than non-college grads”. You think the idea of a million dollars doesn’t brain wash kids from an early age? Guidance counselors transformed into college placement advisors, not actually guiding students into career paths. If boomer and gen x parents caught wind of a counselor advising students to look somewhere other than a college degree there was outrage about how the counselor wasn’t seeing just how special the kid was.

So hundreds of thousands of us went to college with no direction ever given to use in decision making other than “go to college”. Then guess when we entered the work force? Started hitting the work force in large numbers in...you guessed it....2007/2008 through 2012/2013. Talk about a great time to get a first job that you can make a living wage on....


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[Gil Dobie]

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are **** ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Yup.

The way that college, not trade certificates...talking 4 year degrees, were militaristic you beaten in our heads every single day of our schools lives is impossible to ignore.

Schools had dozens of posters about how “4 year college grads, regardless of degree, earn a million dollars more than non-college grads”. You think the idea of a million dollars doesn’t brain wash kids from an early age? Guidance counselors transformed into college placement advisors, not actually guiding students into career paths. If boomer and gen x parents caught wind of a counselor advising students to look somewhere other than a college degree there was outrage about how the counselor wasn’t seeing just how special the kid was.

So hundreds of thousands of us went to college with no direction ever given to use in decision making other than “go to college”. Then guess when we entered the work force? Started hitting the work force in large numbers in...you guessed it....2007/2008 through 2012/2013. Talk about a great time to get a first job that you can make a living wage on....


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Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

[Ibanez]

Yup.

The way that college, not trade certificates...talking 4 year degrees, were militaristic you beaten in our heads every single day of our schools lives is impossible to ignore.

Schools had dozens of posters about how “4 year college grads, regardless of degree, earn a million dollars more than non-college grads”. You think the idea of a million dollars doesn’t brain wash kids from an early age? Guidance counselors transformed into college placement advisors, not actually guiding students into career paths. If boomer and gen x parents caught wind of a counselor advising students to look somewhere other than a college degree there was outrage about how the counselor wasn’t seeing just how special the kid was.

So hundreds of thousands of us went to college with no direction ever given to use in decision making other than “go to college”. Then guess when we entered the work force? Started hitting the work force in large numbers in...you guessed it....2007/2008 through 2012/2013. Talk about a great time to get a first job that you can make a living wage on....


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Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

Yeah - i'd say most of us knew we weren't going to graduate then suddenly be CISOs, CEOs, etc.. You're focusing on the small, vocal minority that expected Steve Jobs to step down once they arrived on campus. That's not the norm.

[∞∞∞]

Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

You don't think millennials realize that?

Roommates are fine; I did that too. But when you're 30-35, can maybe afford to have one child, and an actual home is laughably out of reach for a large percentage of the generation...you have an issue.

The amount of real estate Boomers own is actually ridiculous. And worse is that they're holding on to them even as they age, increasing the rent on people, and driving prices up in general:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/housings-b ... ownsizing/

It's insanity when older people have homes, and multiple at that, that they don't need anymore...while people who actually want to start families can't afford them. And for what? You're gonna collectively fuck over a generation (or three) of Americans to make a buck? As if the student debts, lower wages, and borrowing money against their future wasn't enough?

[Gil Dobie]

Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

You don't think millennials realize that?

Roommates are fine; I did that too. But when you're 30-35, can maybe afford to have one child, and an actual home is laughably out of reach for a large percentage of the generation...you have an issue.

The amount of real estate Boomers own is actually ridiculous. And worse is that they're holding on to them even as they age, increasing the rent on people, and driving prices up in general:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/housings-b ... ownsizing/

It's insanity when older people have homes, and multiple at that, that they don't need anymore...while people who actually want to start families can't afford them. And for what? You're gonna collectively **** over a generation (or three) of Americans to make a buck? As if the student debts, lower wages, and borrowing money against their future wasn't enough?

There are a lot of homes out there for sale, despite what the news media says. My early 30's daughter just sold her town home. I really don't know any boomers that own more than 1 home, except a lake cabin as an additional property. Things are not as bad as you project. My nephews and nieces are all buying houses and starting families, and went to college and got degrees, and are working in their degree field.

[Ibanez]

Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

You don't think millennials realize that?

Roommates are fine; I did that too. But when you're 30-35, can maybe afford to have one child, and an actual home is laughably out of reach for a large percentage of the generation...you have an issue.

The amount of real estate Boomers own is actually ridiculous. And worse is that they're holding on to them even as they age, increasing the rent on people, and driving prices up in general:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/housings-b ... ownsizing/

It's insanity when older people have homes, and multiple at that, that they don't need anymore...while people who actually want to start families can't afford them. And for what? You're gonna collectively fuck over a generation (or three) of Americans to make a buck? As if the student debts, lower wages, and borrowing money against their future wasn't enough?

What irritates me are these construction companies that aren't building enough entry level homes. Take that, with investors buying up the entry level homes and upgrading them beyond the reach of the school teacher or fire fighter making $35k/yr.

And notice I said, "homes" and not "houses." That was intentional.

[AZGrizFan]

Department of Education at work. Once I graduated, I realized you don't start work as the CEO, you have to work your way up. My first job didn't pay the bills. Had to have room-mates until I hit the job that allowed me to move out on my own. I could have stayed home, continued farming with my family, with no student loan debt, but that isn't what I wanted to do.

You don't think millennials realize that?

Roommates are fine; I did that too. But when you're 30-35, can maybe afford to have one child, and an actual home is laughably out of reach for a large percentage of the generation...you have an issue.

The amount of real estate Boomers own is actually ridiculous. And worse is that they're holding on to them even as they age, increasing the rent on people, and driving prices up in general:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/housings-b ... ownsizing/

It's insanity when older people have homes, and multiple at that, that they don't need anymore...while people who actually want to start families can't afford them. And for what? You're gonna collectively fuck over a generation (or three) of Americans to make a buck? As if the student debts, lower wages, and borrowing money against their future wasn't enough?

You fucking live in the wrong country, dude.

[css75]

Was it beat into your brain every day you went to school that you have to go to college? The only way you'll be a success is college? I'm not making excuses...i'm explaining. It's easy to say millennial's are **** ups and whiny and entitled, but let's not forget who raised those millennial's to be that way - Boomers and Gen Xers. That's the part that seems to be ignored.

Despite the "entitled" label given to us by older people, Millennials are the most community-service and charity-minded generation since the Greatest Generation, even though we have less dollars to give.

I don't think older people really understand that in general, the rule of "It's the economy stupid" doesn't work with Millennials. As a cohort, so far we've been lifted by the sense of purpose more than money.

The boomers were the most popular idealistic when they were young, ended up as the greediest, so do not spit out that sense of purpose and charity minded bs.

Here is a free bit of info for you: Conservatives donate and give at a much higher rates than libs. Also, why aren’t you on the other threads now, such as your ally Maxine Waters and other unhinged lib threads.


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[93henfan]

Just a side observation: At least in the public sector, it has been nice being a member of Gen X. Though delayed a couple of years due to the Great Recession, massive waves of Boomers have retired in the past ten years, Millenials are too wet behind the ear to lead yet, so there is a large void of mid to upper management, so a Gen X'er who can walk and chew bubble gum can pretty much waltz to whatever job they seek. Plus, we had an advantage in that there were plenty of Boomer mentors to teach us our trade well.

[JohnStOnge]

I am a baby boomer. Born in 1957.

I think the biggest thing that contradicts that guy's outlook is that the entitlement mentality and the entitlement State started with FDR during the 1930s. I think THAT is what started us down the road whereby we have an ever increasing debt ratio, etc. I don't think an increasing debt ratio started with the boomers. It just continued. The two biggest problems we have fiscally are Social Security and Medicare. Social Security started in 1935. Medicare started in 1965. Medicaid also started in 1965, BTW. All that stuff wasn't the Baby Boomers.

The systemic issues that have us in long term fiscal jeopardy were in place well before the Baby Boomers became a significant political force.

The entitlement mentality started (at least) during the golden age when those greedy workers and farmers became suspicious of some of these mansion popping up as well as New York bankers. That part culminated in the rise of chautauquas and Teddy Roosevelt's Square Deal. His cousin followed through.

Who did the working poor back then and today's youth learn this sense of greed from anyway? They shouldn't crave high paying jobs and wealth until they're at least 40!

I'm not exactly sure of what you're saying. But the chronic fiscal problems of this country are associated with decisions made by the "greatest generation." It wasn't the baby boomers.

The baby boomers aren't the ones who established the concept of government being responsible for ensuring the well being of each individual as opposed to having a system whereby each individual has a CHANCE to ensure their own well being. Maybe they would have had it not been done by a previous generation. But it WAS done by a previous generation.