Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
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This stuff of people thinking Hillary Clinton was worse than Trump is just insane.
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Trump IS Satan's asshole.93henfan wrote:
I would vote for ANYONE running against Hillary Clinton if she EVER runs again too. The woman is the spawn of Satan's asshole.
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Labels are labels. I'll use the issues listed to State my positions and you can decide what label I should bear.93henfan wrote:We're all complicated cases.UNI88 wrote:
JSO isn't a conk.
Where do Ganny, 93 and I fall on your fantasy spectrum?
I won't speak for the two of you, but my stance on the issues I really care about are all over the political spectrum.
Guns: right
Abortion: left
Environment: left
Immigration: right
Corporate responsibility: left
But it doesn't matter who I vote for, because it's going Democrat every time. My vote in Delaware truly doesn't matter.
In retrospect, I should have voted Libertarian in 2016 instead of made Aleppo jokes about their pothead candidate, if for nothing else than to add one grain of sand on the scale in favor of a third party.
Guns: Guns? The Amendment doesn't refer to guns alone. It refers to "arms." And it's clearly referring to military arms. There's no qualification on it. And the reference to a militia does not, linguistically, mean the right is limited to those in a militia.
Abortion: Abortion ends the life of a living member of our species. It should be illegal except in cases where there is a choice between either the life of the mother or the life of the unborn individual. No exceptions for things like rape and incest as it's not the unborn individual's fault that their father was a rapist or guilty of incest.
Environment: We need to be cognizant of our impact upon our environment. However, I think that there is a preservationist bias in Environmental Science and we need to be careful about that. What we should focus on is the well being of our own species. We shouldn't be doing things like trying to avoid the extinction of other species just to avoid extinctions.
Immigration: If someone made the decision to come into the country illegally and they are caught/identified, they should be deported. No person who entered the country illegally should ever be granted citizenship. Legal immigration should be maintained at a healthy level. But I don't know what that level is.
Corporate responsibility: Corporations are responsible for maximizing shareholder benefits.
I'll add a couple:
Affirmative Action: Completely against it.
The "Diversity" Thing: I think that's an artifact of egalitarian bias in the social sciences. I think it was noted that fair competition would not result in various groups being proportionately represented in various areas. So they came up with the idea of diversity being a benefit and set about conducting biased observational studies to support the idea.
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
Never heard of him/her...kalm wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
OK Karl.
Anytime Governor Brownback.
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Retarded.JohnStOnge wrote: Label me as you wish.
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
Not really.JohnStOnge wrote:This stuff of people thinking Hillary Clinton was worse than Trump is just insane.
She would have been far worse than Trump.
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
Trump’s policies fall in line with yours very much. Hillary is for taking guns, killing babies, open borders, and affirmative action. Yet you think this skank was better than the Donald. Look at results, not style.JohnStOnge wrote:Labels are labels. I'll use the issues listed to State my positions and you can decide what label I should bear.93henfan wrote:
We're all complicated cases.
I won't speak for the two of you, but my stance on the issues I really care about are all over the political spectrum.
Guns: right
Abortion: left
Environment: left
Immigration: right
Corporate responsibility: left
But it doesn't matter who I vote for, because it's going Democrat every time. My vote in Delaware truly doesn't matter.
In retrospect, I should have voted Libertarian in 2016 instead of made Aleppo jokes about their pothead candidate, if for nothing else than to add one grain of sand on the scale in favor of a third party.
Guns: Guns? The Amendment doesn't refer to guns alone. It refers to "arms." And it's clearly referring to military arms. There's no qualification on it. And the reference to a militia does not, linguistically, mean the right is limited to those in a militia.
Abortion: Abortion ends the life of a living member of our species. It should be illegal except in cases where there is a choice between either the life of the mother or the life of the unborn individual. No exceptions for things like rape and incest as it's not the unborn individual's fault that their father was a rapist or guilty of incest.
Environment: We need to be cognizant of our impact upon our environment. However, I think that there is a preservationist bias in Environmental Science and we need to be careful about that. What we should focus on is the well being of our own species. We shouldn't be doing things like trying to avoid the extinction of other species just to avoid extinctions.
Immigration: If someone made the decision to come into the country illegally and they are caught/identified, they should be deported. No person who entered the country illegally should ever be granted citizenship. Legal immigration should be maintained at a healthy level. But I don't know what that level is.
Corporate responsibility: Corporations are responsible for maximizing shareholder benefits.
I'll add a couple:
Affirmative Action: Completely against it.
The "Diversity" Thing: I think that's an artifact of egalitarian bias in the social sciences. I think it was noted that fair competition would not result in various groups being proportionately represented in various areas. So they came up with the idea of diversity being a benefit and set about conducting biased observational studies to support the idea.
Label me as you wish.
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
Good job Treep
You trolled even the Mighty Clitzoris into cataloguing (in bullet form I might add) and explaining their positions like they're running for the school board
you still know nothing about me though - but the info is right here in this here forum
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(he has a dossier)
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You trolled even the Mighty Clitzoris into cataloguing (in bullet form I might add) and explaining their positions like they're running for the school board
you still know nothing about me though - but the info is right here in this here forum
or you can ask Jelly
(he has a dossier)
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Guns: right93henfan wrote: Guns: right
Abortion: left
Environment: left
Immigration: right
Corporate responsibility: left
Abortion: center:
-Should remain legal with 3 caveats. No taxpayer funding unless mothers life is in danger. Parental consent. It is a medical operation. Minors have to have parental consent for medical operation. Simple. No partial birth.
-Roe v Wade should be overturned. Nothing to do with religion but the Constitution. States rights. Let each state do their own laws.
Environment: center (although many would label me right). Care about the environment, but put the economy and America 1st..
Immigration: right
Corporate responsibility: center. You know advocating for ‘left’ there means smaller TSP/401k returns..But playing field should be tilted more toward small & medium sized businesses, more America 1st..
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Funny... the last time I heard a high-level official say deficits didn't matter it was that pinko Democrat Dick Cheney....CID1990 wrote:On this you are absolutely correctJohnStOnge wrote:
No they don't. The Democrats do not do things like claim that the deficit is coming down when it's not.
Democrats in the past have simply denied that deficits were a big deal - that's the only real way to debate deficit spending... question whether or not it matters
The problem with the Democrats' past stance on the deficit is that it denies a century worth of evidence to the contrary - and ignores what is happening to countries (right in front of our eyes) that have outspent their GDP and borrowed for too long
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Look at the long term. I've written this kind of stuff many times but I'll write it again. A few years ago the Republican Party realized that it's got a long term viability problem. It realized that it needs to change the underlying dynamic in order to remain competitive in the long term. In nominating then rallying behind Trump it did exactly the opposite of what it determined that it needed to do. It won the Presidency because of the Electoral college. But it lost among the overall vote of the People for the 6th time in the past 7 Presidential elections. And, in terms of the popular vote, it got a lower percentage than it got in 2012.css75 wrote:
Trump’s policies fall in line with yours very much. Hillary is for taking guns, killing babies, open borders, and affirmative action. Yet you think this skank was better than the Donald. Look at results, not style.
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The system helps. There's the Electoral College. There's the Senate where each State gets 2 Senators whether it's got 0.6 million people (Wyoming) or it's got 40 million people (California). And there's gerrymandering in play for the House. But at some point the dam is going to break. At some point the Republicans will need to convince the actual majority of the People in the country in order to sustain themselves. And them associating themselves with Trump is not helping in that regard.
Aside from that: Is there any point in which the nature of the person would, for you, override the short terms considerations over policy? If you found out with 100% certainty that Trump is using his position to enrich himself in an unethical manner, for example, would you say, "That's OK because I'm getting the policies I want right now?"
If you found out Trump's campaign did collude with Russia and was paying Russia back for its help right now by virtue of its foreign policy, would that make a difference to you? At what point would you say that the level of corruption is unacceptable even if you are, for now, getting the policies you want?
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You don’t think the Clintons and Bush’s and Obamas enriched themselves in their position as president?JohnStOnge wrote:Look at the long term. I've written this kind of stuff many times but I'll write it again. A few years ago the Republican Party realized that it's got a long term viability problem. It realized that it needs to change the underlying dynamic in order to remain competitive in the long term. In nominating then rallying behind Trump it did exactly the opposite of what it determined that it needed to do. It won the Presidency because of the Electoral college. But it lost among the overall vote of the People for the 6th time in the past 7 Presidential elections. And, in terms of the popular vote, it got a lower percentage than it got in 2012.css75 wrote:
Trump’s policies fall in line with yours very much. Hillary is for taking guns, killing babies, open borders, and affirmative action. Yet you think this skank was better than the Donald. Look at results, not style.
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The system helps. There's the Electoral College. There's the Senate where each State gets 2 Senators whether it's got 0.6 million people (Wyoming) or it's got 40 million people (California). And there's gerrymandering in play for the House. But at some point the dam is going to break. At some point the Republicans will need to convince the actual majority of the People in the country in order to sustain themselves. And them associating themselves with Trump is not helping in that regard.
Aside from that: Is there any point in which the nature of the person would, for you, override the short terms considerations over policy? If you found out with 100% certainty that Trump is using his position to enrich himself in an unethical manner, for example, would you say, "That's OK because I'm getting the policies I want right now?"
If you found out Trump's campaign did collude with Russia and was paying Russia back for its help right now by virtue of its foreign policy, would that make a difference to you? At what point would you say that the level of corruption is unacceptable even if you are, for now, getting the policies you want?
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
JohnStOnge wrote:Look at the long term. I've written this kind of stuff many times but I'll write it again. A few years ago the Republican Party realized that it's got a long term viability problem. It realized that it needs to change the underlying dynamic in order to remain competitive in the long term. In nominating then rallying behind Trump it did exactly the opposite of what it determined that it needed to do. It won the Presidency because of the Electoral college. But it lost among the overall vote of the People for the 6th time in the past 7 Presidential elections. And, in terms of the popular vote, it got a lower percentage than it got in 2012.css75 wrote:
Trump’s policies fall in line with yours very much. Hillary is for taking guns, killing babies, open borders, and affirmative action. Yet you think this skank was better than the Donald. Look at results, not style.
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The system helps. There's the Electoral College. There's the Senate where each State gets 2 Senators whether it's got 0.6 million people (Wyoming) or it's got 40 million people (California). And there's gerrymandering in play for the House. But at some point the dam is going to break. At some point the Republicans will need to convince the actual majority of the People in the country in order to sustain themselves. And them associating themselves with Trump is not helping in that regard.
Aside from that: Is there any point in which the nature of the person would, for you, override the short terms considerations over policy? If you found out with 100% certainty that Trump is using his position to enrich himself in an unethical manner, for example, would you say, "That's OK because I'm getting the policies I want right now?"
If you found out Trump's campaign did collude with Russia and was paying Russia back for its help right now by virtue of its foreign policy, would that make a difference to you? At what point would you say that the level of corruption is unacceptable even if you are, for now, getting the policies you want?
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No I do not. I think they benefited from their position as President afterwards. But I do not think that, while in office, they were doing things comparable to what Trump is doing in funneling business to his hotels, resorts, etc.AZGrizFan wrote: You don’t think the Clintons and Bush’s and Obamas enriched themselves in their position as president?
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Re: Trump Economic Adviser... "Deficit coming down"
There was no collusion. That ship has sailed.JohnStOnge wrote:Look at the long term. I've written this kind of stuff many times but I'll write it again. A few years ago the Republican Party realized that it's got a long term viability problem. It realized that it needs to change the underlying dynamic in order to remain competitive in the long term. In nominating then rallying behind Trump it did exactly the opposite of what it determined that it needed to do. It won the Presidency because of the Electoral college. But it lost among the overall vote of the People for the 6th time in the past 7 Presidential elections. And, in terms of the popular vote, it got a lower percentage than it got in 2012.css75 wrote:
Trump’s policies fall in line with yours very much. Hillary is for taking guns, killing babies, open borders, and affirmative action. Yet you think this skank was better than the Donald. Look at results, not style.
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The system helps. There's the Electoral College. There's the Senate where each State gets 2 Senators whether it's got 0.6 million people (Wyoming) or it's got 40 million people (California). And there's gerrymandering in play for the House. But at some point the dam is going to break. At some point the Republicans will need to convince the actual majority of the People in the country in order to sustain themselves. And them associating themselves with Trump is not helping in that regard.
Aside from that: Is there any point in which the nature of the person would, for you, override the short terms considerations over policy? If you found out with 100% certainty that Trump is using his position to enrich himself in an unethical manner, for example, would you say, "That's OK because I'm getting the policies I want right now?"
If you found out Trump's campaign did collude with Russia and was paying Russia back for its help right now by virtue of its foreign policy, would that make a difference to you? At what point would you say that the level of corruption is unacceptable even if you are, for now, getting the policies you want?
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He’s not asking from a legal standpoint. He’s asking from a principled standpoint.css75 wrote:There was no collusion. That ship has sailed.JohnStOnge wrote:
Look at the long term. I've written this kind of stuff many times but I'll write it again. A few years ago the Republican Party realized that it's got a long term viability problem. It realized that it needs to change the underlying dynamic in order to remain competitive in the long term. In nominating then rallying behind Trump it did exactly the opposite of what it determined that it needed to do. It won the Presidency because of the Electoral college. But it lost among the overall vote of the People for the 6th time in the past 7 Presidential elections. And, in terms of the popular vote, it got a lower percentage than it got in 2012.
The system helps. There's the Electoral College. There's the Senate where each State gets 2 Senators whether it's got 0.6 million people (Wyoming) or it's got 40 million people (California). And there's gerrymandering in play for the House. But at some point the dam is going to break. At some point the Republicans will need to convince the actual majority of the People in the country in order to sustain themselves. And them associating themselves with Trump is not helping in that regard.
Aside from that: Is there any point in which the nature of the person would, for you, override the short terms considerations over policy? If you found out with 100% certainty that Trump is using his position to enrich himself in an unethical manner, for example, would you say, "That's OK because I'm getting the policies I want right now?"
If you found out Trump's campaign did collude with Russia and was paying Russia back for its help right now by virtue of its foreign policy, would that make a difference to you? At what point would you say that the level of corruption is unacceptable even if you are, for now, getting the policies you want?
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OBama’s net worth entering office: $800,000JohnStOnge wrote:No I do not. I think they benefited from their position as President afterwards. But I do not think that, while in office, they were doing things comparable to what Trump is doing in funneling business to his hotels, resorts, etc.AZGrizFan wrote: You don’t think the Clintons and Bush’s and Obamas enriched themselves in their position as president?
Obama’s net worth 8 years later: $12 million
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kalm wrote:He’s not asking from a legal standpoint. He’s asking from a principled standpoint.css75 wrote:
There was no collusion. That ship has sailed.
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What makes you say that..? (because you disagree)css75 wrote:kalm wrote:
He’s not asking from a legal standpoint. He’s asking from a principled standpoint.
JSO has no principles.
I've been reading his posts for over 10 years and I couldn't disagree with you more
It makes me wonder if you know what principles are
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I think JSO is extremely principled
Some of those principles are arguably sociopathic but he's fairly consistent in his pathos (principles)
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He put his money into a blind trust and the investment manager put it all in cattle futures.AZGrizFan wrote:OBama’s net worth entering office: $800,000JohnStOnge wrote:
No I do not. I think they benefited from their position as President afterwards. But I do not think that, while in office, they were doing things comparable to what Trump is doing in funneling business to his hotels, resorts, etc.
Obama’s net worth 8 years later: $12 million
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Huh. I thought they cornered the orange juice market.HI54UNI wrote:He put his money into a blind trust and the investment manager put it all in cattle futures.AZGrizFan wrote:
OBama’s net worth entering office: $800,000
Obama’s net worth 8 years later: $12 million
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I hate to agree with JSO, but he's right. Obama wasn't funneling projects and money to his family's company. As far as we know, Obama didn't do that. Like Dubya, Obama is profiting from his 8 yr experience. Dubya is making millions on the speech circuit.AZGrizFan wrote:OBama’s net worth entering office: $800,000JohnStOnge wrote:
No I do not. I think they benefited from their position as President afterwards. But I do not think that, while in office, they were doing things comparable to what Trump is doing in funneling business to his hotels, resorts, etc.
Obama’s net worth 8 years later: $12 million
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The vast majority of of those profits of Obama's during his presidency came from his book sales. And, he released his tax returns each year... So, we have good I fo about where his money came from.
His books sales surely increased due to his campaign and presidency, but it's an entirely different. I don't think people are complaining about Trump profiting from The Art of the Deal sales.
His books sales surely increased due to his campaign and presidency, but it's an entirely different. I don't think people are complaining about Trump profiting from The Art of the Deal sales.
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Correct. But that was probably because there was no family business. But he had friends. Remember who constructed the original Obamacare website?Ibanez wrote:I hate to agree with JSO, but he's right. Obama wasn't funneling projects and money to his family's company. As far as we know, Obama didn't do that. Like Dubya, Obama is profiting from his 8 yr experience. Dubya is making millions on the speech circuit.AZGrizFan wrote:
OBama’s net worth entering office: $800,000
Obama’s net worth 8 years later: $12 million