Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.Gil Dobie wrote:People I know are not afraid of change. What kind of changes are you talking about?∞∞∞ wrote: Bolded for you.
My two clients are a) airlines and b) National Parks Service. It allows me to travel a decent amount, although in short bursts. And yes, for the airlines it's mostly to large cities. Opposite is true for NPS.
ps. I personally love the urban life; I have no issues with those who want to live a more rural lifestyle. But if that's your choice, don't bitch and hold back progress in other areas because you fear change.
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Sounds like a choice between conservative's and liberal politics. See the same with people in the city, although most cities have a majority of liberals, while rural is conservative. Change isn't always for the better.∞∞∞ wrote:Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.Gil Dobie wrote:
People I know are not afraid of change. What kind of changes are you talking about?
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Cities by nature require increased environmental regulation and stronger social and welfare programs.∞∞∞ wrote:Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.Gil Dobie wrote:
People I know are not afraid of change. What kind of changes are you talking about?
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Conservatives should be for increased conservation standards (its in the name). It also gets in the way of “progress”.Gil Dobie wrote:Sounds like a choice between conservative's and liberal politics. See the same with people in the city, although most cities have a majority of liberals, while rural is conservative. Change isn't always for the better.∞∞∞ wrote: Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.
They also should be for the separation of church and state on the basis of limited government.
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Agreed, but honestly, most cities will be fine; they can weather political changes and if there's federal laws they don't like, it's very easy to tie them up in the court system or simply ignore them.kalm wrote:Cities by nature require increased environmental regulation and stronger social and welfare programs.∞∞∞ wrote: Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.
Rural America will get hit the hardest by voting against their own self-interests. Industrious cities get hit hard too, but if properly managed, have infrastructure to shift their focus into other things.
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One of the differences I've noticed, is if you land in a rural community, nothing to your name. Someone usually takes you in, feeds you, helps you find a job. In the city, they point you to the nearest homeless shelter. I still remember being with my grandparents, they pickup a hitch-hiker, take them home, feed them, and help them get to where they were going. A guy tried that at the local homeless shelter, and he got mugged and his car stolen.kalm wrote:Cities by nature require increased environmental regulation and stronger social and welfare programs.∞∞∞ wrote: Training for different careers, increased environmental and financial regulations, stronger social and welfare programs, single-payer healthcare, and a better separation of Church and State.
It's basically the government helping the homeless in the city and the individuals and church groups helping them in rural area's.
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Just what everyone needs...a 'progressive' telling us what is in our own best interests.∞∞∞ wrote:Agreed, but honestly, most cities will be fine; they can weather political changes and if there's federal laws they don't like, it's very easy to tie them up in the court system or simply ignore them.kalm wrote:
Cities by nature require increased environmental regulation and stronger social and welfare programs.
Rural America will get hit the hardest by voting against their own self-interests. Industrious cities get hit hard too, but if properly managed, have infrastructure to shift their focus into other things.
That is why Donald Trump is your president.
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∞∞∞ wrote:Bolded for you.AZGrizFan wrote:
so your entire position is based off of one trip to the Midwest and when you lived in West Virginia as a baby.
My two clients are a) airlines and b) National Parks Service. It allows me to travel a decent amount, although in short bursts. And yes, for the airlines it's mostly to large cities. Opposite is true for NPS.
ps. I personally love the urban life; I have no issues with those who want to live a more rural lifestyle. But if that's your choice, don't bitch and hold back progress in other areas because you fear change.
so their choice to live a different lifestyle is somehow "holding back progress in other areas"?
Do tell....
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Don’t be violent. You’re attacking someone for having a difference of opinion....how rational is that?JohnStOnge wrote:An open Trump supporter SHOULD be treated like shit. I don't get why anyone would be surprised that openly supporting Trump would get you treated like an idiot, etc. If you openly act like an idiot, etc., how do you expect people to treat you?BDKJMU wrote:"
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Trump owns some of those tall buildings...∞∞∞ wrote:Hell yeah. Our cities are living monuments to innovation, industry, technology, opportunity, and progress.Gil Dobie wrote:When you get closest to the country’s tallest buildings you are governed by ideologues of the progressive left.
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Which is fine.Ibanez wrote:Trump owns some of those tall buildings...∞∞∞ wrote: Hell yeah. Our cities are living monuments to innovation, industry, technology, opportunity, and progress.
For example, I'm impressed with what his organization did to the Old Post Office in DC. Some of his redevelopments also saved other beautiful buildings (Trump Park/Trump Parc), and Trump Tower on 5th is a beautiful skyscraper. I'm sure some great minds worked to make that physically possible.
What I dislike about Trump is the stiffing of contractors, constant lying, nonexistent ethics, lack of curiosity, disregard for American values, and attacks on his own people. Treason is pretty bad too.
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Trip, I agree with all of those except the bolded ones. Not sure what you mean by them. Need examples.∞∞∞ wrote: What I dislike about Trump is the stiffing of contractors, constant lying, nonexistent ethics, lack of curiosity, disregard for American values, dickish behavior, and attacks on his own people.
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Constant lying. Nonexistent ethics. Disregard for American values. Attacks on his own people. Treason.∞∞∞ wrote:Which is fine.Ibanez wrote: Trump owns some of those tall buildings...
For example, I'm impressed with what his organization did to the Old Post Office in DC. Some of his redevelopments also saved other beautiful buildings (Trump Park/Trump Parc), and Trump Tower on 5th is a beautiful skyscraper. I'm sure some great minds worked to make that physically possible.
What I dislike about Trump is the stiffing of contractors, constant lying, nonexistent ethics, lack of curiosity, disregard for American values, and attacks on his own people. Treason is pretty bad too.
Sounds like you just described Hildabeast.
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Hillary Clinton is more ethical than Donald Trump is. Also lies a lot less frequently than he does. American values? People probably disagree on what those are. But whatever they are Trump doesn't have any. Neither is guilty of treason.AZGrizFan wrote:Constant lying. Nonexistent ethics. Disregard for American values. Attacks on his own people. Treason.∞∞∞ wrote: Which is fine.
For example, I'm impressed with what his organization did to the Old Post Office in DC. Some of his redevelopments also saved other beautiful buildings (Trump Park/Trump Parc), and Trump Tower on 5th is a beautiful skyscraper. I'm sure some great minds worked to make that physically possible.
What I dislike about Trump is the stiffing of contractors, constant lying, nonexistent ethics, lack of curiosity, disregard for American values, and attacks on his own people. Treason is pretty bad too.
Sounds like you just described Hildabeast.
Hillary Clinton got a Yale law degree then took a job making no money at the Children's Defense Fund. She also released her tax returns during the 2016 campaign per the informal ethical standard previously established. At this point Politifact has 50% of Clinton's evaluated statements rated as True or Mostly True. It's got 17% of Trump's statements rated as such. At this point 26% of Clinton's statements are rated as Mostly False, False, or Pants on Fire. 70% of Trump's statements are rated as such.
Pointing at Clinton to excuse Trump is absurd. He's WAY worse. He makes her look like Mother Theresa. He is the most corrupt, most dishonest, and as a bonus the most emotionally immature and unstable President of our lifetimes. And it's not close. There has been nobody in that position remotely close to this bad.
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So your opinion about rural America is based on a two week trip which included Minneapolis and Sioux Falls?∞∞∞ wrote:I lived in West Virginia a long time ago (and that sucked). The most recent trip I took was two weeks between Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wyoming, and North Dakota...stayed in Sioux Falls, SD; Rapid City, SD; Lemmon, SD, and finished up in Minneapolis.HI54UNI wrote:
How much time have you spent in rural America?
That part of rural America is certainly beautiful, if not completely gorgeous. The people are awesome, but damn is it boring and everything is falling apart. I totally understand their anger, but as great as the people were (and we discussed politics), no one wanted to actually do anything new.
Minneapolis was amazing though; it's one of the greatest American cities I've ever visited. Lively, progressive, multicultural, great food, cares for nature, new developments, etc.
On the other hand, Lemmon was surprisingly charming for a small town in the middle of nowhere. Not a place I'd stay for more than 2-3 days, but it had a bit going for it for its size. Plus I was there for the Boss Cowman Rodeo, so they fed the entire town and all visitors a free steak dinner which was sweet.
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When you're woke and really smart you can do thatHI54UNI wrote:So your opinion about rural America is based on a two week trip which included Minneapolis and Sioux Falls?∞∞∞ wrote: I lived in West Virginia a long time ago (and that sucked). The most recent trip I took was two weeks between Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wyoming, and North Dakota...stayed in Sioux Falls, SD; Rapid City, SD; Lemmon, SD, and finished up in Minneapolis.
That part of rural America is certainly beautiful, if not completely gorgeous. The people are awesome, but damn is it boring and everything is falling apart. I totally understand their anger, but as great as the people were (and we discussed politics), no one wanted to actually do anything new.
Minneapolis was amazing though; it's one of the greatest American cities I've ever visited. Lively, progressive, multicultural, great food, cares for nature, new developments, etc.
On the other hand, Lemmon was surprisingly charming for a small town in the middle of nowhere. Not a place I'd stay for more than 2-3 days, but it had a bit going for it for its size. Plus I was there for the Boss Cowman Rodeo, so they fed the entire town and all visitors a free steak dinner which was sweet.
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You voted for Clinton, so I can understand you putting Hillary on a pedestal, being you voted for her. There is no beauty contest here IMO, you can flush them both down the pooper. You should be bashing the political parties for giving us this BS. There were plenty of candidates better than Clinton or Trump. I don't really care who some politically funded group says "rates" better, Clinton and Trump are one in the same.JohnStOnge wrote:Hillary Clinton is more ethical than Donald Trump is. Also lies a lot less frequently than he does. American values? People probably disagree on what those are. But whatever they are Trump doesn't have any. Neither is guilty of treason.AZGrizFan wrote:
Constant lying. Nonexistent ethics. Disregard for American values. Attacks on his own people. Treason.
Sounds like you just described Hildabeast.
Hillary Clinton got a Yale law degree then took a job making no money at the Children's Defense Fund. She also released her tax returns during the 2016 campaign per the informal ethical standard previously established. At this point Politifact has 50% of Clinton's evaluated statements rated as True or Mostly True. It's got 17% of Trump's statements rated as such. At this point 26% of Clinton's statements are rated as Mostly False, False, or Pants on Fire. 70% of Trump's statements are rated as such.
Pointing at Clinton to excuse Trump is absurd. He's WAY worse. He makes her look like Mother Theresa. He is the most corrupt, most dishonest, and as a bonus the most emotionally immature and unstable President of our lifetimes. And it's not close. There has been nobody in that position remotely close to this bad.
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We've been down the road before, John. It's not the quantity, it's the quality.JohnStOnge wrote:Hillary Clinton is more ethical than Donald Trump is. Also lies a lot less frequently than he does. American values? People probably disagree on what those are. But whatever they are Trump doesn't have any. Neither is guilty of treason.AZGrizFan wrote:
Constant lying. Nonexistent ethics. Disregard for American values. Attacks on his own people. Treason.
Sounds like you just described Hildabeast.
Hillary Clinton got a Yale law degree then took a job making no money at the Children's Defense Fund. She also released her tax returns during the 2016 campaign per the informal ethical standard previously established. At this point Politifact has 50% of Clinton's evaluated statements rated as True or Mostly True. It's got 17% of Trump's statements rated as such. At this point 26% of Clinton's statements are rated as Mostly False, False, or Pants on Fire. 70% of Trump's statements are rated as such.
Pointing at Clinton to excuse Trump is absurd. He's WAY worse. He makes her look like Mother Theresa. He is the most corrupt, most dishonest, and as a bonus the most emotionally immature and unstable President of our lifetimes. And it's not close. There has been nobody in that position remotely close to this bad.
And there, Clinton has him whupped in spades.
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Gee, John, do you think she was motivated to do so because of political ambitions?JohnStOnge wrote: Hillary Clinton got a Yale law degree then took a job making no money at the Children's Defense Fund.
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There’s been a story in Charleston how in the late 80s, a family owned business burned down and the insurance policy screwed the family out of money. A relative was friends with Trump and a few weeks later, the family received a check from trump for the amount they were owed by the insurance company. They were never asked to pay it back.CAA Flagship wrote:Gee, John, do you think she was motivated to do so because of political ambitions?JohnStOnge wrote: Hillary Clinton got a Yale law degree then took a job making no money at the Children's Defense Fund.
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If I shelter 1,000 orphans and then murder someone, I'm not going to be remembered for the shelter.
The few above points mean nothing in the grand scheme of how history will judge Trump's life.
The few above points mean nothing in the grand scheme of how history will judge Trump's life.
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I honestly don't think Trump is a sociopath and never did. In fact I think with some flattery and a few crocodile tears you could tap into his empathetic side fairly easy.
His problem is that he's got a colossal ego and is ignorant and when someone gets hurt as a result of his policies he can easily convince himself it's "fake news", facts be damned.
His problem is that he's got a colossal ego and is ignorant and when someone gets hurt as a result of his policies he can easily convince himself it's "fake news", facts be damned.
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Looking pretty good so far.∞∞∞ wrote:If I shelter 1,000 orphans and then murder someone, I'm not going to be remembered for the shelter.
The few above points mean nothing in the grand scheme of how history will judge Trump's life.
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Record stock market
record low unemployment
record high business confidence index
consistent and growing GDP
Elimination of Obamacare Mandate Tax
2 excellent Supreme Court additions
NoKo dearming/denuking
Out of Paris accord
Out of Iran nuclear agreement (now if he could just get the planeload of cash back)
NATO & UN brought into line
Out of Pan-American Treaty
Reopened talks on NAFTA
Wall construction ongoing/record low border crossings
Keystone pipeline green light
Opening up oil drilling in arctic & gulf (US now largest oil producer in the world)
Tax reform/cuts
Regulatory reform/rollback of ridiculous, onerous Dodd-Frank
Neutering the ridiculously powerful CFPB
Recognizing Jerusalem as capital of Israel (I'm sure you LOVE this one, eh?)
....and the list goes on and on.
All accomplished while the economy experiences something unprecedented: the unwinding of QE I, II & III by the Fed as they shrink their balance sheet. No president has EVER had to navigate that. EVER.
But all you'll remember is his tweets and the bullshit Russian collusion investigation (that should already have Obama and Clinton in jail).
The Paris Accord, Iran Nuclear Agreement, NATO, UN, tariffs/trade imbalance, NAFTA, Pan-American Treaty....what do all these things have in common? They're agreements/arrangements his predecessors put in place or continued where the US gets absolutely buttfucked economically/financially at every turn. There's not a SINGLE one of those where it's a level playing field. He's attempting to fix those things and you want to pillory him for it? Why do you hate America?
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I know conservatives jerk off to dollar bills, but the US isn't founded on capitalism or how well the stock market does. It's founded on the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
People and governments throughout history are not remembered for economies, unless it's particularly bad. They're remembered for how they treated people and major geopolitical milestones.
And all the stuff you listed is awful, except the unemployment numbers. And Obama had good unemployment numbers (except those were "bad paying jobs" which have suddenly become "good paying jobs." )
ps. NoKo denuking?
People and governments throughout history are not remembered for economies, unless it's particularly bad. They're remembered for how they treated people and major geopolitical milestones.
And all the stuff you listed is awful, except the unemployment numbers. And Obama had good unemployment numbers (except those were "bad paying jobs" which have suddenly become "good paying jobs." )
ps. NoKo denuking?