The Democratic Party...

[GannonFan]

^^^^^^^This. No wonder Gannon holds an elected office.


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Isn’t Gannon a dog catcher or something??


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Township Auditor, thank you very much. 6 year term.

[HI54UNI]

Isn’t Gannon a dog catcher or something??


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Township Auditor, thank you very much. 6 year term.

Is that elected or appointed?

[GannonFan]

Township Auditor, thank you very much. 6 year term.

Is that elected or appointed?

Elected. Mine was a grass roots write-in campaign. I'll be listed on the ballot next time!

[Ibanez]

Isn’t Gannon a dog catcher or something??


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Township Auditor, thank you very much. 6 year term.

I was joshin you.


How's the workload?

[SeattleGriz]

#walkaway

[GannonFan]

Township Auditor, thank you very much. 6 year term.

I was joshin you.


How's the workload?

I actually had to show up for about an hour's meeting last week to go over the report from the auditing firm the Township uses. I asked a few good questions, felt like I contributed. Glad that's done for the next 365 days! Tough work!

[HI54UNI]

I was joshin you.


How's the workload?

I actually had to show up for about an hour's meeting last week to go over the report from the auditing firm the Township uses. I asked a few good questions, felt like I contributed. Glad that's done for the next 365 days! Tough work!

More important, how's the graft and bribes going?

[JohnStOnge]

This seems like as good a thread as any to post something about another Demographic trend that points to the Democrats eventually dominating. It's the "young vote" thing.

You can go to the Roper Center page at https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/u ... ups-voted/ and play around with this. I don't think there's any way to look at it other than to say that the current "young vote Democrat" thing does not portend well for Republicans.

The polls go back through 1976. That year those in the 18 through 29 group did vote Democrat by 54% to 46%. But in 1980 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 44% Democrat and 44% Republican. In 1984 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 41% Democrat and 59% Republican. If you flash forward to how the 18 through 29s from those elections who voted in 2016 voted it looks like they probably voted majority Republican. They'd be in the 45 and over group and that group voted Republican by 52% to 44%. But that's not all that different from the way 18 to 29 year olds voted back in the late 1970s and early 1980s; especially when you note how 18 to 29 year olds voted in 1984.

the 18 through 29 year old advantage for Democrats in recent elections is much stronger. 66% to to 32% in 2008. 60% to 37% in 2012. 55% to 36% in 2016. Yes, the Democrat edge went down from 2012 to 2008 and from 2016 to 2012. But there is no question that the youngest generation is now much more strongly Democrat than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Another reason to believe that the long term future does not look good for the Republican Party.

[css75]

This seems like as good a thread as any to post something about another Demographic trend that points to the Democrats eventually dominating. It's the "young vote" thing.

You can go to the Roper Center page at https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/u ... ups-voted/ and play around with this. I don't think there's any way to look at it other than to say that the current "young vote Democrat" thing does not portend well for Republicans.

The polls go back through 1976. That year those in the 18 through 29 group did vote Democrat by 54% to 46%. But in 1980 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 44% Democrat and 44% Republican. In 1984 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 41% Democrat and 59% Republican. If you flash forward to how the 18 through 29s from those elections who voted in 2016 voted it looks like they probably voted majority Republican. They'd be in the 45 and over group and that group voted Republican by 52% to 44%. But that's not all that different from the way 18 to 29 year olds voted back in the late 1970s and early 1980s; especially when you note how 18 to 29 year olds voted in 1984.

the 18 through 29 year old advantage for Democrats in recent elections is much stronger. 66% to to 32% in 2008. 60% to 37% in 2012. 55% to 36% in 2016. Yes, the Democrat edge went down from 2012 to 2008 and from 2016 to 2012. But there is no question that the youngest generation is now much more strongly Democrat than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Another reason to believe that the long term future does not look good for the Republican Party.

You might be right on this one as the Millennials have illustrated they are factually challenged. Thankfully by the time they take over, I will probably be underground.


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[JohnStOnge]

This seems like as good a thread as any to post something about another Demographic trend that points to the Democrats eventually dominating. It's the "young vote" thing.

You can go to the Roper Center page at https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/u ... ups-voted/ and play around with this. I don't think there's any way to look at it other than to say that the current "young vote Democrat" thing does not portend well for Republicans.

The polls go back through 1976. That year those in the 18 through 29 group did vote Democrat by 54% to 46%. But in 1980 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 44% Democrat and 44% Republican. In 1984 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 41% Democrat and 59% Republican. If you flash forward to how the 18 through 29s from those elections who voted in 2016 voted it looks like they probably voted majority Republican. They'd be in the 45 and over group and that group voted Republican by 52% to 44%. But that's not all that different from the way 18 to 29 year olds voted back in the late 1970s and early 1980s; especially when you note how 18 to 29 year olds voted in 1984.

the 18 through 29 year old advantage for Democrats in recent elections is much stronger. 66% to to 32% in 2008. 60% to 37% in 2012. 55% to 36% in 2016. Yes, the Democrat edge went down from 2012 to 2008 and from 2016 to 2012. But there is no question that the youngest generation is now much more strongly Democrat than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Another reason to believe that the long term future does not look good for the Republican Party.

You might be right on this one as the Millennials have illustrated they are factually challenged. Thankfully by the time they take over, I will probably be underground.


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I don't think it's just Millennials. There is a cliche about the Republican Party being the Party of old White People. I don't think it's entirely true but there is something to it. It's not entirely true because young White people do still tend to vote Republican. But not by nearly as wide a margin as old White people do. And meanwhile the younger generation is less White. End result is that in 2016 Clinton won among those less than 45 years old by 53% to 39% while Trump won among those 45 and older by 52% to 44%.

In Pennsylvania Clinton won among those less than 45 by 52% to 42%. In Wisconsin she won among those less than 45 by 52% to 40%. In Michigan she won among those less than 45 by 51% to 41%.

And here's a HUGE couple of observations: In Texas Clinton won among voters less than 45 years old by 49% to 43%. In Florida she won among that group by 54% to 38%.

You get the picture. Yeah, the Republican won those states this time to win the electoral college in spite of having more total voters say they would've preferred the Democrat wounded by stuff like the FBI investigation. But the future is not bright. The handwriting is on the wall for the Republican Party and it needed to do something to change what's going on. It didn't make any progress in that regard by nominating then rallying behind Trump. In fact I think it lost ground.

[CAA Flagship]

You might be right on this one as the Millennials have illustrated they are factually challenged. Thankfully by the time they take over, I will probably be underground.


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I don't think it's just Millennials. There is a cliche about the Republican Party being the Party of old White People. I don't think it's entirely true but there is something to it. It's not entirely true because young White people do still tend to vote Republican. But not by nearly as wide a margin as old White people do. And meanwhile the younger generation is less White. End result is that in 2016 Clinton won among those less than 45 years old by 53% to 39% while Trump won among those 45 and older by 52% to 44%.

In Pennsylvania Clinton won among those less than 45 by 52% to 42%. In Wisconsin she won among those less than 45 by 52% to 40%. In Michigan she won among those less than 45 by 51% to 41%.

And here's a HUGE couple of observations: In Texas Clinton won among voters less than 45 years old by 49% to 43%. In Florida she won among that group by 54% to 38%.

You get the picture. Yeah, the Republican won those states this time to win the electoral college in spite of having more total voters say they would've preferred the Democrat wounded by stuff like the FBI investigation. But the future is not bright. The handwriting is on the wall for the Republican Party and it needed to do something to change what's going on. It didn't make any progress in that regard by nominating then rallying behind Trump. In fact I think it lost ground.

You are forgetting about the natural occurrence of events that happens as that group gets older called "the Awakening".

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[Baldy]

Donks and their progressive Democratic Socialist paradises...

[Ibanez]

This seems like as good a thread as any to post something about another Demographic trend that points to the Democrats eventually dominating. It's the "young vote" thing.

You can go to the Roper Center page at https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/u ... ups-voted/ and play around with this. I don't think there's any way to look at it other than to say that the current "young vote Democrat" thing does not portend well for Republicans.

The polls go back through 1976. That year those in the 18 through 29 group did vote Democrat by 54% to 46%. But in 1980 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 44% Democrat and 44% Republican. In 1984 those in the 18 through 29 group voted 41% Democrat and 59% Republican. If you flash forward to how the 18 through 29s from those elections who voted in 2016 voted it looks like they probably voted majority Republican. They'd be in the 45 and over group and that group voted Republican by 52% to 44%. But that's not all that different from the way 18 to 29 year olds voted back in the late 1970s and early 1980s; especially when you note how 18 to 29 year olds voted in 1984.

the 18 through 29 year old advantage for Democrats in recent elections is much stronger. 66% to to 32% in 2008. 60% to 37% in 2012. 55% to 36% in 2016. Yes, the Democrat edge went down from 2012 to 2008 and from 2016 to 2012. But there is no question that the youngest generation is now much more strongly Democrat than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Another reason to believe that the long term future does not look good for the Republican Party.

You might be right on this one as the Millennials have illustrated they are factually challenged. Thankfully by the time they take over, I will probably be underground.


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There are plenty of Boomers, Gen Xers and Millennials who are factually challenged.


Honestly, in talking with my fellow millennials lately, many of us are sick and tired of both parties. I have one friend who voted for Obama and Hillary - in this last primary she's voted GOP and Libertarian.

Me - I'll vote Libertarian when given the chance. Or write in. My grandmother gets a lot of votes in elections.

[Winterborn]

There are plenty of Boomers, Gen Xers and Millennials who are factually challenged.


Honestly, in talking with my fellow millennials lately, many of us are sick and tired of both parties. I have one friend who voted for Obama and Hillary - in this last primary she's voted GOP and Libertarian.

Me - I'll vote Libertarian when given the chance. Or write in. My grandmother gets a lot of votes in elections.

I am getting the same from friends also. So maybe there is hope for a third party in my lifetime. People like to rag on Millennials a lot (some of it rightly so) but for the most part some have a pretty open mind and can see what is happening to both parties.

This past election was the first time I did a write in. Felt a bit weird at first but he was a better candidate than those running and will probably end up doing it again.

[kalm]

There are plenty of Boomers, Gen Xers and Millennials who are factually challenged.


Honestly, in talking with my fellow millennials lately, many of us are sick and tired of both parties. I have one friend who voted for Obama and Hillary - in this last primary she's voted GOP and Libertarian.

Me - I'll vote Libertarian when given the chance. Or write in. My grandmother gets a lot of votes in elections.

I am getting the same from friends also. So maybe there is hope for a third party in my lifetime. People like to rag on Millennials a lot (some of it rightly so) but for the most part some have a pretty open mind and can see what is happening to both parties.

This past election was the first time I did a write in. Felt a bit weird at first but he was a better candidate than those running and will probably end up doing it again.

Both of these posts...

[css75]

Donks and their progressive Democratic Socialist paradises...

Because these immigrants come from non Danish countries and probably have no knowledge of their customs, I see this as possibly a good thing. However, if they don’t comply simply send them back.


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[BDKJMU]

Protests Turn Violent As Demonstrators Arrested In Front Of Philadelphia ICE Building
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[JohnStOnge]

I don't think it's just Millennials. There is a cliche about the Republican Party being the Party of old White People. I don't think it's entirely true but there is something to it. It's not entirely true because young White people do still tend to vote Republican. But not by nearly as wide a margin as old White people do. And meanwhile the younger generation is less White. End result is that in 2016 Clinton won among those less than 45 years old by 53% to 39% while Trump won among those 45 and older by 52% to 44%.

In Pennsylvania Clinton won among those less than 45 by 52% to 42%. In Wisconsin she won among those less than 45 by 52% to 40%. In Michigan she won among those less than 45 by 51% to 41%.

And here's a HUGE couple of observations: In Texas Clinton won among voters less than 45 years old by 49% to 43%. In Florida she won among that group by 54% to 38%.

You get the picture. Yeah, the Republican won those states this time to win the electoral college in spite of having more total voters say they would've preferred the Democrat wounded by stuff like the FBI investigation. But the future is not bright. The handwriting is on the wall for the Republican Party and it needed to do something to change what's going on. It didn't make any progress in that regard by nominating then rallying behind Trump. In fact I think it lost ground.

You are forgetting about the natural occurrence of events that happens as that group gets older called "the Awakening".

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No I'm not. That's why I looked at how groups voted in the late 70s and early 80s vs. how they voted in 2016. The people who would've been in the youngest groups in the late 70s and early 80s were in the oldest groups in 2016. It's not possible to do an exact assessment. But the numbers suggest that the way those people voted in 2016 is not that much different than they voted in the late 70s and early 80s. Maybe some drift towards the conservative side. But not much.

[JohnStOnge]

There are plenty of Boomers, Gen Xers and Millennials who are factually challenged.


Honestly, in talking with my fellow millennials lately, many of us are sick and tired of both parties. I have one friend who voted for Obama and Hillary - in this last primary she's voted GOP and Libertarian.

Me - I'll vote Libertarian when given the chance. Or write in. My grandmother gets a lot of votes in elections.

I am getting the same from friends also. So maybe there is hope for a third party in my lifetime. People like to rag on Millennials a lot (some of it rightly so) but for the most part some have a pretty open mind and can see what is happening to both parties.

This past election was the first time I did a write in. Felt a bit weird at first but he was a better candidate than those running and will probably end up doing it again.

If you want third parties to become viable you need to support the idea of "instant runoff" voting.

[Ivytalk]

I am getting the same from friends also. So maybe there is hope for a third party in my lifetime. People like to rag on Millennials a lot (some of it rightly so) but for the most part some have a pretty open mind and can see what is happening to both parties.

This past election was the first time I did a write in. Felt a bit weird at first but he was a better candidate than those running and will probably end up doing it again.

If you want third parties to become viable you need to support the idea of "instant runoff" voting.

Gee, John, all you seem to care about is the reproductive capacity of the Donks.

[JohnStOnge]

If you want third parties to become viable you need to support the idea of "instant runoff" voting.

Gee, John, all you seem to care about is the reproductive capacity of the Donks.

I just think instant runoff voting would liberate people to vote for who they really want to vote for without having to worry about wasting their vote.

[Ivytalk]

Gee, John, all you seem to care about is the reproductive capacity of the Donks.

I just think instant runoff voting would liberate people to vote for who they really want to vote for without having to worry about wasting their vote.

How so? Wouldn’t a third party have to achieve a certain critical mass in order to make the runoff?

[Col Hogan]

I just think instant runoff voting would liberate people to vote for who they really want to vote for without having to worry about wasting their vote.

How so? Wouldn’t a third party have to achieve a certain critical mass in order to make the runoff?

And, as with the few socialists currently in the Congress, those third party folks who get a seat will have to decide to caucus with either the D’s Or R’s...or get no committee seat and thus be powerless...

Until the rules of the House or Senate can be changed, the dream of a third party changing much of anything is pretty much a nightmare...

[UNI88]

I just think instant runoff voting would liberate people to vote for who they really want to vote for without having to worry about wasting their vote.

How so? Wouldn’t a third party have to achieve a certain critical mass in order to make the runoff?

It's ranked voting - candidate C is my first choice, candidate A is my second, etc. So the runoff is part of the main election. If no candidate gets a majority the least popular is dropped and his/her votes go to their #2 choices and so on.

[UNI88]

How so? Wouldn’t a third party have to achieve a certain critical mass in order to make the runoff?

And, as with the few socialists currently in the Congress, those third party folks who get a seat will have to decide to caucus with either the D’s Or R’s...or get no committee seat and thus be powerless...

Until the rules of the House or Senate can be changed, the dream of a third party changing much of anything is pretty much a nightmare...

Unless a centrist party can get enough legslators to prevent either major party from having a majority (say 10%). Then they become the swing faction that controls what does and doesn't get passed.

If that happens, people will scream bloody murder about how their influence is way out of whack compared to their popular support.