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kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Once again, the guvmint screwed up. The FBI got the cell phone records without a warrant. The decision does NOT protect legitimate searches of cell phone records. The Gorsuch dissent is interesting, because he would have scrapped the two earlier Fourth Amendment cases (Smith and Miller) that are the current precedent for”legitimate expectation of privacy” standards. I think Roberts got this one right, but I’ll never forgive him for his Obamacare disaster.
Remember our arguments on warrant less wiretapping?

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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Remember our arguments on warrant less wiretapping?

I like this new libertarian side of Ivy. :thumb:
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Which is why I tolerate and even sometimes listen to you.

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Ibanez wrote:BDK, I thought you'd love this? It ends a corporate handout and Trump loves it. You love Trump. Does he know you aren't being loyal?
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BDKJMU wrote: If you include local county and/or city sales taxes, which you have in a # of states, I believe that 45 jumps into the thousands.

I don’t see it as a corporate handout. And I know it maight come as a shock, but I dknt agree with Trump on everything. This is one of those instances.
1) I only said state taxes.
2) Maybe not a benefit but low to no tax requirement is definitely preferential treatment.
Not only do I not see it as ending a corporate handout, but the opposite. This actually benefits the big corporations with physical presences in most/every state, that were already charging sales tax. The one advantage the online mom & pops/small businesses had over the Amazons was the sales tax thingy..Now that is gone..

This will just does more to help Amazon and the like, while doing more to destroy the small guys...
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote:BDK, I thought you'd love this? It ends a corporate handout and Trump loves it. You love Trump. Does he know you aren't being loyal?
Ibanez wrote: 1) I only said state taxes.
2) Maybe not a benefit but low to no tax requirement is definitely preferential treatment.
Not only do I not see it as ending a corporate handout, but the opposite. This actually benefits the big corporations with physical presences in most/every state, that were already charging sales tax. The one advantage the online mom & pops/small businesses had over the Amazons was the sales tax thingy..Now that is gone..

This will just does more to help Amazon and the like, while doing more to destroy the small guys...
That’s an interesting take. It’s similar to minimum wage increases. They effect the large employers more but also crush competition.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote:BDK, I thought you'd love this? It ends a corporate handout and Trump loves it. You love Trump. Does he know you aren't being loyal?
Ibanez wrote: 1) I only said state taxes.
2) Maybe not a benefit but low to no tax requirement is definitely preferential treatment.
Not only do I not see it as ending a corporate handout, but the opposite. This actually benefits the big corporations with physical presences in most/every state, that were already charging sales tax. The one advantage the online mom & pops/small businesses had over the Amazons was the sales tax thingy..Now that is gone..

This will just does more to help Amazon and the like, while doing more to destroy the small guys...
Like Kalm said, that's an interesting perspective. :coffee: I'm going to let it sink it... :thumb:
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Not only do I not see it as ending a corporate handout, but the opposite. This actually benefits the big corporations with physical presences in most/every state, that were already charging sales tax. The one advantage the online mom & pops/small businesses had over the Amazons was the sales tax thingy..Now that is gone..

This will just does more to help Amazon and the like, while doing more to destroy the small guys...
Like Kalm said, that's an interesting perspective. :coffee: I'm going to let it sink it... :thumb:
Nah, in this day and age I'm still in the thinking that there's an easy app or a program that will do the tax stuff for you, even the small mom & pop places. And if they are truly mom and pop places, the number of transactions they're doing over not only multiple states, but multiple municipalities, is bound to be limited and manageable. If they are in those 10,000 different tax locales then they're successful enough that they probably aren't what people think of mom and pop stores and they can afford a little extra to get the coding to make paying local taxes relatively easy. This was a problem 10-20 years ago. It's not a similar problem today.
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Abbott V. Perez was settled in a 5-4 vote along ideological lines. The Voting Rights Act just got a lot weaker and the States power to re-district a lot stronger.
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The Justices deliver another ruling in support of free speech...

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Col Hogan wrote:The Justices deliver another ruling in support of free speech...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... fornia-law
Good ruling. I like what Roberts and Kennedy stated. Free speech means that sometimes one has to listen to things you do not agree with or are contrary to ones beliefs.
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Col Hogan wrote:The Justices deliver another ruling in support of free speech...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... fornia-law
Good result. Ninth Circuit reversed again! :lol:
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Public employee unions lose! No more involuntary taxes to Democrat party coffers ! :clap:
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Pwns wrote:Public employee unions lose! No more involuntary taxes to Democrat party coffers ! :clap:
5-4 again. The left will be howling.

I’ll have to read this one. I always thought that the 1977 case, Abood, was correctly decided on the agency shop point, because the Court held that agency shop fees for non-members couldn’t be used for political purposes. That took care of the free-rider problem and the First Amendment problem. Or so I thought.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Pwns wrote:Public employee unions lose! No more involuntary taxes to Democrat party coffers ! :clap:
5-4 again. The left will be howling.

I’ll have to read this one. I always thought that the 1977 case, Abood, was correctly decided on the agency shop point, because the Court held that agency shop fees for non-members couldn’t be used for political purposes. That took care of the free-rider problem and the First Amendment problem. Or so I thought.
Kagan and Sotomayor lost their shit. :lol:

Sotomayor is firmly establishing her standing that she is absolutely the worst, most unqualified justice on the court. :nod:
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Baldy wrote: Sotomayor is firmly establishing her standing that she is absolutely the worst, most unqualified justice on the court. :nod:
After her hysterical dissent in the U of Texas affirmative action case last year I thought I was the only person seeing this. Glad others are seeing it now. :nod:
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Baldy wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: 5-4 again. The left will be howling.

I’ll have to read this one. I always thought that the 1977 case, Abood, was correctly decided on the agency shop point, because the Court held that agency shop fees for non-members couldn’t be used for political purposes. That took care of the free-rider problem and the First Amendment problem. Or so I thought.
Kagan and Sotomayor lost their shit. :lol:

Sotomayor is firmly establishing her standing that she is absolutely the worst, most unqualified justice on the court. :nod:
and yet,
Like our President Sotomayor claims to be wise and mentally stable
when in truth - like our president - all behavior is to the contrary

:nod:

What's the lesson here..?

:lol:
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Chizzang wrote:
Baldy wrote: Kagan and Sotomayor lost their shit. :lol:

Sotomayor is firmly establishing her standing that she is absolutely the worst, most unqualified justice on the court. :nod:
and yet,
Like our President Sotomayor claims to be wise and mentally stable
when in truth - like our president - all behavior is to the contrary

:nod:

What's the lesson here..?

:lol:
Clitzorus is firmly establishing his standing that he is slowly morphing into JSO little ventriloquist dummy. :lol:
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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
and yet,
Like our President Sotomayor claims to be wise and mentally stable
when in truth - like our president - all behavior is to the contrary

:nod:

What's the lesson here..?

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Clitzorus is firmly establishing his standing that he is slowly morphing into JSO little ventriloquist dummy. Image
I disagree. JSO has firmly placed himself in the anti-Trump camp. Chiz might focus more on conks (not just Trump) but has also skewered donks.
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UNI88 wrote:
Baldy wrote: Clitzorus is firmly establishing his standing that he is slowly morphing into JSO little ventriloquist dummy. Image
I disagree. JSO has firmly placed himself in the anti-Trump camp. Chiz might focus more on conks (not just Trump) but has also skewered donks.
Chizzang just sits up there on Yuppie Olympus, drinking merlot, and mocking everyone. He thoroughly enjoys Smug Prickdom. :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote:
UNI88 wrote:I disagree. JSO has firmly placed himself in the anti-Trump camp. Chiz might focus more on conks (not just Trump) but has also skewered donks.
Chizzang just sits up there on Yuppie Olympus, drinking merlot, and mocking everyone. He thoroughly enjoys Smug Prickdom. :lol:
What is funny is, if you sit down with him one-on-one, the smug-facade melts away and you really get to meet the real Cleats... :kisswink:
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Damn double post
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Col Hogan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Chizzang just sits up there on Yuppie Olympus, drinking merlot, and mocking everyone. He thoroughly enjoys Smug Prickdom. :lol:
What is funny is, if you sit down with him one-on-one, the smug-facade melts away and you really get to meet the real Cleats... :kisswink:
That's what I hear, Hogie. I've met you, so I trust your judgment.

But it's fun taunting him all the same! :mrgreen:
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Col Hogan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Chizzang just sits up there on Yuppie Olympus, drinking merlot, and mocking everyone. He thoroughly enjoys Smug Prickdom. :lol:
What is funny is, if you sit down with him one-on-one, the smug-facade melts away and you really get to meet the real Cleats... :kisswink:
I like fake Cleets

which probably means I wouldn't like real Cleets


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