Breaking: Maryland HS School Shooting

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Col Hogan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

According to the chart on the attached page, at 100 feet a typical 9mm round would be traveling 959mph...

Yea, I think it would drop you...

http://gundata.org/blog/post/9mm-ballistics-chart/

Does it really matter? If we're just talking school shootings, most of the shooting is done within 10-20 feet, if not even closer. Any gun is obviously lethal at those ranges.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:14 pm

houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.
If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

Sure, there isn’t that much drop off from muzzle velocity at 100 yards. Effective handgun range is more a function of accuracy than anything. 100 yards is not a good distance to engage anyone with a handgun. LE trains out to about 50 yards

Post by **kalm** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:30 pm

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Ooopsie!

Overwhelming majority approve of armed guards.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1GY159

More of me winning...
Page not found. Fake news.

Hmmm...works fine for me. Try it again...

Spoiler: show

Post by **dbackjon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:13 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

No one has said tighter security isn't AN answer. The issue has to be attacked from multiple angles.
Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?

There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY FUCKING place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you fucking gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")

Post by **dbackjon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:15 pm

Turns out the shooter SHOT HIMSELF.

The armed guard shot him in the hand. The shooter could have killed or wounded many others if he had wanted to.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... ssion=true

Sheriff: Maryland high school shooter died by shooting himself

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:22 pm

dbackjon wrote:Turns out the shooter SHOT HIMSELF.

The armed guard shot him in the hand. The shooter could have killed or wounded many others if he had wanted to.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... ssion=true

Sheriff: Maryland high school shooter died by shooting himself

I don't know if he could've killed "many others" if he'd wanted to. The fact that he did shoot himself does not mean it's not possible that the officer would've stopped him. But this was not a "mass shooting" type of event in any case. They guy just wanted to kill one girl.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:54 pm

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?
There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY FUCKING place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you fucking gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")

I believe the proper term is now ammosexual.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:19 pm

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?
There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY FUCKING place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you fucking gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")

Define “sensible gun reform”...because we’re about 10,000 laws in, and it’s still not sensible enough for you constitution haters.

Post by **93henfan** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:59 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY FUCKING place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you fucking gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")
Define “sensible gun reform”...because we’re about 10,000 laws in, and it’s still not sensible enough for you constitution haters.

Well, to start, an "assault" weapons ban wouldn't have stopped the purchase of any of the weapons used in these mass shootings:

Virginia Tech 2007 (32 dead) - Walther P22 and Glock 19 handguns
Luby's Cafeteria 1991 (23 dead) - Glock 17 and Ruger P89 handguns
UT Austin Tower 1966 (14 dead) - Remington 700 hunting rifle
Oklahoma Post Office 1986 (14 dead) - Two M1911 handguns
Fort Hood 2009 (13 dead) - FN Five-seven handgun and S&W .357 magnum revolver
Binghamton NY 2009 (13 dead) - Two Beretta handguns
Wah Mee Club Seattle 1983 (13 dead) - Handguns
Howard Unruh Camden NJ 1949 (13 dead) - Luger pistol
Washington Navy Yard 2013 (12 dead) - Remington 870 Express shotgun and Beretta 92FS handgun
Mark Barton spree Georgia 1999 (12 dead) - Hammer, Colt M1911A1, Glock 17, H&R revolver
Umpqua Community College Oregon 2015 (9 dead) - S&W, Taurus, Hi-Point, and Glock handguns
Charleston Church shooting 2015 (9 dead) - Glock 41
Red Lake MN shooting 2005 (9 dead) - Glock 23, Ruger MK II, Remington 870
*too many more to list*

ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:14 pm

houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.
If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

Why wouldn't it? And why would it be a lucky shot at 100 yards?

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ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:15 pm

Col Hogan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

According to the chart on the attached page, at 100 feet a typical 9mm round would be traveling 959mph...

Yea, I think it would drop you...

http://gundata.org/blog/post/9mm-ballistics-chart/

Exactly and that's stock shitty ammo. Load hot and 9mm can knock down with the best of them

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ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:16 pm

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?
There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY FUCKING place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you fucking gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")

You guys need to figure out how to stop the 4 or 5 shooters each user and leave the other 180 million gun owners alone

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89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:40 am

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Page not found. Fake news.
Hmmm...works fine for me. Try it again...

Thanks for fixing. So 25% of adults want no guns in schools. Appreciate you proving my point for me. Is there a thread you've already won for which you want confirmation from a trusted news source? Maybe I can return the favor.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:46 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?
Let's try it.

You be the target. I'll be the shooter.

I don't have all day.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:22 pm

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?
There is a difference between better security and turning a school into an armed camp.

And then you have to harden EVERY **** place. Las Vegas, Schools, Churches, Theaters.

Instead of that, lets do sensible gun reform. But you **** gun humpers value your fetish more than lives (and then claim to be "pro-life")

Jon-

Plenty of people on both sides support “sensible gun reform”

But that means different things to different people

the teenage messiahs from FL have made sure that “sensible gun reform”, in most minds, lies somewhere between total 2A repeal and bans on just about anything that isn’t single shot.

In a couple years the left is going to be navel gazing over why calling people baby murderers doesn’t make people want to cross the aisle

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:13 pm

houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Let's try it.

You be the target. I'll be the shooter.
I don't have all day.

Well hell. You never answered. I’ve moved on, cupcake.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed May 16, 2018 1:29 pm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lives- ... ocid=ientp

Hmmm...another instance of an armed officer confronting gunman, and nobody killed in the school.

We're 2/2 so far since Parkland. But the Parkland officer was a coward and all cops are cowards so it just won't work, right dback??

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