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I personally am loving this debate

the information age is making libertarians (or hypocrites) out of everybody

STATES RIGHTS!!

(btw... what the states do in this instance won't matter much, because their own networks have to be connected to a hose somewhere, and that hose will be controlled by the ISPs)
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CID1990 wrote:I personally am loving this debate

the information age is making libertarians (or hypocrites) out of everybody

STATES RIGHTS!!

(btw... what the states do in this instance won't matter much, because their own networks have to be connected to a hose somewhere, and that hose will be controlled by the ISPs)
It's a showdown!
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Col Hogan wrote:
Chizzang wrote: Net neutrality is simple
It states that our publicly built and funded broadband infrastructure
should remain wide open for all

That it all it is...
Last time I checked, federal $$$ paid to build the Interstate highway system...yet the feds are allowing states to charge people who want to drive faster for that right...
THERE ARE PLENTY of reasons for outrage coming out of Washington, DC, these days, but this week the divided region found a common enemy. The express lanes on Interstate 66 near DC, previously reserved for vehicles carrying two or more people, opened up to solo travelers. Except those single-occupancy vehicles have to pay a toll, one that fluctuates according to demand. The world watched, aghast, as tolling prices hit $40 for folks headed into the capital on Tuesday morning.
https://www.wired.com/story/virginia-i66-toll-road/

So, riddle me this...if it’s OK to charge people for the privilege of driving faster than all the rest of the unwashed masses on the federal highway system...why would it be wrong to do the same on the information super-highway???

And how was the internet so screwed up prior to 2015 and the implementation of the rules reversed today that mandated the implementation of the rules reversed today???
I really don't think you understand the issue. It seems you are repeating nonsense said by people paid off by the ISPs.

Be honest, do you think you should have to pay more to access Netflix at high speeds? Or should the speed provided by ISPs be the same for each service?

A lot of republicans are arguing that this would foster competition and allow people to choose new ISPs that don't throttle their preferred sites. The problem is there are very few ISPs to choose from in most areas of the US. There simply isn't the competition to choose from.
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Vidav wrote: I really don't think you understand the issue. It seems you are repeating nonsense said by people paid off by the ISPs.
As compared to the nonsense spewed from the Facebooks, Googles, and Twitters?
Be honest, do you think you should have to pay more to access Netflix at high speeds? Or should the speed provided by ISPs be the same for each service?
Did anyone pay more to access Netflix at high speeds before so-called "net neutrality"? :?
If anything, the cost of a subscription to Netflx should have come down over the past two years. It hasn't.
A lot of republicans are arguing that this would foster competition and allow people to choose new ISPs that don't throttle their preferred sites. The problem is there are very few ISPs to choose from in most areas of the US. There simply isn't the competition to choose from.
Competition? This is all you really need to read.

Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition
Despite public, political, and business interest in greater broadband deployment, not every American has high-speed internet access yet (let alone a choice of provider for really fast, high-capacity service). So who’s really to blame for strangling broadband competition?

While popular arguments focus on supposed “monopolists” such as big cable companies, it’s government that’s really to blame. Companies can make life harder for their competitors, but strangling the competition takes government.

Broadband policy discussions usually revolve around the U.S. government’s Federal Communications Commission (FCC), yet it’s really our local governments and public utilities that impose the most significant barriers to entry.
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Vidav wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Last time I checked, federal $$$ paid to build the Interstate highway system...yet the feds are allowing states to charge people who want to drive faster for that right...



https://www.wired.com/story/virginia-i66-toll-road/

So, riddle me this...if it’s OK to charge people for the privilege of driving faster than all the rest of the unwashed masses on the federal highway system...why would it be wrong to do the same on the information super-highway???

And how was the internet so screwed up prior to 2015 and the implementation of the rules reversed today that mandated the implementation of the rules reversed today???
I really don't think you understand the issue. It seems you are repeating nonsense said by people paid off by the ISPs.

Be honest, do you think you should have to pay more to access Netflix at high speeds? Or should the speed provided by ISPs be the same for each service?

A lot of republicans are arguing that this would foster competition and allow people to choose new ISPs that don't throttle their preferred sites. The problem is there are very few ISPs to choose from in most areas of the US. There simply isn't the competition to choose from.
The internet runs to world so why do people think they should get it for free?

You are forced to pay for car insurance, health insurance, taxes etc and you pay more than $30/mo. You pay more for satellite and cable. Face it internet should be anywhere from $150-300 a month for all it provides the country. Why do you arrogant SOBS think you should be able to tell a business what they can and cant charge for a service provided to you at your CHOICE?

If people dont pay for a service it will go away, if they are being charged too much somebody will probably provide another service at less cost.

Dont buy into this BS, your internet is not wide open and free now. You are being lied to........I know because its why my WISP charges $125 to 300 a month for internet and we dont let you have Netflix........you sign a contract stating that before we hook you up. Thats not wide open that is us doing what everyone is going to start doing now.
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This debate shows me that Party Loyalty is stronger than logical discourse
Any American that takes 15 minutes to actually research what's really being debated here
could only come to one logical conclusion

Frankly it's astounding

It's not even remotely close to charging people to drive faster on a highway system
It would be closer to allowing a private business to decide who's actually allowed on the Highway
and what rout they are allowed to drive
and what speed

What this really is - is this - Obama is for it so Trump is against it
So every Republican that can't read is against it
and every Republican that believes Fox News is on point is against it

This frankly is about Trump just undoing whatever Obama did - Regardless of right or wrong
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Chizzang wrote:This debate shows me that Party Loyalty is stronger than logical discourse
Any American that takes 15 minutes to actually research what's really being debated here
could only come to one logical conclusion

Frankly it's astounding

It's not even remotely close to charging people to drive faster on a highway system
It would be closer to allowing a private business to decide who's actually allowed on the Highway
and what rout they are allowed to drive
and what speed

What this really is - is this - Obama is for it so Trump is against it
So every Republican that can't read is against it
and every Republican that believes Fox News is on point is against it

This frankly is about Trump just undoing whatever Obama did - Regardless of right or wrong
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GannonFan wrote:I'm waiting to see what's going to happen and then I'll decide. :coffee:
So what else is new? :lol:

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Col Hogan wrote:
Chizzang wrote: Net neutrality is simple
It states that our publicly built and funded broadband infrastructure
should remain wide open for all

That it all it is...
Last time I checked, federal $$$ paid to build the Interstate highway system...yet the feds are allowing states to charge people who want to drive faster for that right...
THERE ARE PLENTY of reasons for outrage coming out of Washington, DC, these days, but this week the divided region found a common enemy. The express lanes on Interstate 66 near DC, previously reserved for vehicles carrying two or more people, opened up to solo travelers. Except those single-occupancy vehicles have to pay a toll, one that fluctuates according to demand. The world watched, aghast, as tolling prices hit $40 for folks headed into the capital on Tuesday morning.
https://www.wired.com/story/virginia-i66-toll-road/

So, riddle me this...if it’s OK to charge people for the privilege of driving faster than all the rest of the unwashed masses on the federal highway system...why would it be wrong to do the same on the information super-highway???

And how was the internet so screwed up prior to 2015 and the implementation of the rules reversed today that mandated the implementation of the rules reversed today???
THat's not the same. In theory, Comcast can limit your ability to purchase a gun online by not give you access to the site, or make the site so difficult to use (speed wise) and it's all because Comcast is anti-gun.

Not a perfect example, but that's what we're dealing with. DC isn't making people drive slower b/c they bought an import instead of a domestic vehicle.
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Chizzang wrote:This debate shows me that Party Loyalty is stronger than logical discourse
Any American that takes 15 minutes to actually research what's really being debated here
could only come to one logical conclusion

Frankly it's astounding

It's not even remotely close to charging people to drive faster on a highway system
It would be closer to allowing a private business to decide who's actually allowed on the Highway
and what rout they are allowed to drive
and what speed

What this really is - is this - Obama is for it so Trump is against it
So every Republican that can't read is against it
and every Republican that believes Fox News is on point is against it

This frankly is about Trump just undoing whatever Obama did - Regardless of right or wrong
I hate agreeing with you.
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Ibanez wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Last time I checked, federal $$$ paid to build the Interstate highway system...yet the feds are allowing states to charge people who want to drive faster for that right...



https://www.wired.com/story/virginia-i66-toll-road/

So, riddle me this...if it’s OK to charge people for the privilege of driving faster than all the rest of the unwashed masses on the federal highway system...why would it be wrong to do the same on the information super-highway???

And how was the internet so screwed up prior to 2015 and the implementation of the rules reversed today that mandated the implementation of the rules reversed today???
THat's not the same. In theory, Comcast can limit your ability to purchase a gun online by not give you access to the site, or make the site so difficult to use (speed wise) and it's all because Comcast is anti-gun.

Not a perfect example, but that's what we're dealing with. DC isn't making people drive slower b/c they bought an import instead of a domestic vehicle.
There were rumors toward the end of this debate that certain far right websites were dropping their support realizing the threat of corporate PC limiting access to their sites. Hogan might have a harder now time finding wing nut articles to back up his views... :lol:
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kalm wrote:There were rumors toward the end of this debate that certain far right websites were dropping their support realizing the threat of corporate PC limiting access to their sites. Hogan might have a harder now time finding wing nut articles to back up his views... :lol:
No doubt, especially since the major networks already have media tie-ins to the ISPs. And what company wants to look like it supports Breitbart or Stormfront?

Sling TV and similar services are going to get hit hard too. They're direct competition to the ISP's cable packages. Porn sites are also effed. :coffee:
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Vidav wrote:
I really don't think you understand the issue. It seems you are repeating nonsense said by people paid off by the ISPs.

Be honest, do you think you should have to pay more to access Netflix at high speeds? Or should the speed provided by ISPs be the same for each service?

A lot of republicans are arguing that this would foster competition and allow people to choose new ISPs that don't throttle their preferred sites. The problem is there are very few ISPs to choose from in most areas of the US. There simply isn't the competition to choose from.
Wow...you just really convinced me how stupid I must be...I'm joining some friends and preparing for the end-time right away...
And as Baldy so accurately pointed out, it's local government that is throttling ISP growth...not state or local government...

Let competition come in at the local level, and see what happens...it's happening with electricity...I have a number of companies that I can purchase power from...competition is lowering the cost of a kilowatt...don't you think competition can lower cable/ISP costs???
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Ivytalk wrote:
GannonFan wrote:I'm waiting to see what's going to happen and then I'll decide. :coffee:
So what else is new? :lol:

Fence-straddler..... :coffee:
The fence is a good place to be when people on both sides of the aisle are in hysterics over an issue that basically hasn't even happened yet. The doom and gloom from both sides is almost entirely based on what might happened - not what has, not what is, but what might happen. I think the fence is an appropriate place to be in this argument.
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Yeah.........its not happening yet. :coffee:


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∞∞∞ wrote:Good for Washington; I hope ALL states follow that lead, although I know they won't.

I read something like 80%+ of Americans are against the death of net-neutrality, which overwhelmingly makes it one of the few items a majority of people are united about. And yet here we are.

IMO, a net-neutral internet is essential to the American economy. It's the modern version of the highway interstate system, spurring economic growth and efficiently connecting people and businesses.
FWIW, a lot of the interstates around here have options to pay for faster service, so what you're really saying is you're against net neutrality.

edit - I see that's already been discussed. It is like that Cleets. :coffee:

And FTR, is was Tripp that brought up the interstates.
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89Hen wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Good for Washington; I hope ALL states follow that lead, although I know they won't.

I read something like 80%+ of Americans are against the death of net-neutrality, which overwhelmingly makes it one of the few items a majority of people are united about. And yet here we are.

IMO, a net-neutral internet is essential to the American economy. It's the modern version of the highway interstate system, spurring economic growth and efficiently connecting people and businesses.
FWIW, a lot of the interstates around here have options to pay for faster service, so what you're really saying is you're against net neutrality.

edit - I see that's already been discussed. It is like that Cleets. :coffee:

And FTR, is was Tripp that brought up the interstates.
So you'd be OK with Chevy forcing all the other brands to the slow lane?

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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: FWIW, a lot of the interstates around here have options to pay for faster service, so what you're really saying is you're against net neutrality.

edit - I see that's already been discussed. It is like that Cleets. :coffee:

And FTR, is was Tripp that brought up the interstates.
So you'd be OK with Chevy forcing all the other brands to the slow lane?

(I'm might be channeling Z with this analogy)
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
So you'd be OK with Chevy forcing all the other brands to the slow lane?

(I'm might be channeling Z with this analogy)
You are. Bad one.
:lol:

Ok fine. I'll ask again. How does ending net neutrality increase freedom of information and the market?
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Col Hogan wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
The problem with a poll like that is the majority don't really know what it's all about or understand it. The term net neutraility sounds great so people are for it. If you polled those same people how many of them would agree that dihydrogen monoxide should be banned?
Or ask how many want to government controlling the internet...I’m betting there would be a much smaller number supporting it...

Net Neutrality is not neutral...it is government deciding for you...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wow, the ignorance is showing.

Net Neutrality is the government making sure equal access. Since most ISP's are monopolies, or near monopolies, the free market does not work.

Man you have drunk the Trumpkoolaid hard.
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Chizzang wrote:This debate shows me that Party Loyalty is stronger than logical discourse
Any American that takes 15 minutes to actually research what's really being debated here
could only come to one logical conclusion

Frankly it's astounding

It's not even remotely close to charging people to drive faster on a highway system
It would be closer to allowing a private business to decide who's actually allowed on the Highway
and what rout they are allowed to drive
and what speed

What this really is - is this - Obama is for it so Trump is against it
So every Republican that can't read is against it
and every Republican that believes Fox News is on point is against it

This frankly is about Trump just undoing whatever Obama did - Regardless of right or wrong
Yup.
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http://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/f ... 6899907726

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The poor MSNBC guy got pwned and he knew there was nothing he could do about it. :rofl:
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dbackjon wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Or ask how many want to government controlling the internet...I’m betting there would be a much smaller number supporting it...

Net Neutrality is not neutral...it is government deciding for you...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wow, the ignorance is showing.

Net Neutrality is the government making sure equal access. Since most ISP's are monopolies, or near monopolies, the free market does not work.

Man you have drunk the Trumpkoolaid hard.
And why are most ISPs monopolies?
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Baldy wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/f ... 6899907726

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The poor MSNBC guy got pwned and he knew there was nothing he could do about it. :rofl:
I bet you'll change your tune when GSU's Tuesday night game against South Alabama starts buffering every 10 seconds. :nod:
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Col Hogan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wow, the ignorance is showing.

Net Neutrality is the government making sure equal access. Since most ISP's are monopolies, or near monopolies, the free market does not work.

Man you have drunk the Trumpkoolaid hard.
And why are most ISPs monopolies?
Because broadband networks are really expensive to build and the big boys already have theirs in place thanks to taxpayers?
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