Franken vs. Conyers
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Franken vs. Conyers
Has anyone asked yet why Franken seems to be getting something of a free pass, while Conyers is being vilified? I could understand it if the left were going after someone on the right who had screwed up, but BOTH of these poor schmucks are Donkeys....
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Well Conyers is black
even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others
did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?
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If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so
Plus Conyers is black
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even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others
did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?
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If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so
Plus Conyers is black
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...CID1990 wrote:Well Conyers is black
even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others
did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?
and
If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so
Plus Conyers is black
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There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.
Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Probably the same reason football coaches are less likely to suspend the all-conference defensive end than the second-string safety.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
you knowkalm wrote:Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...CID1990 wrote:Well Conyers is black
even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others
did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?
and
If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so
Plus Conyers is black
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There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.
Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.
I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical
Not expecting anyone to be triggered
yet here you are
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
I think Franken should resign if he really cares about the causes he espouses but, at least as far as I have heard, his transgressions do not involve people who worked for him. Conyers' transgressions involve people who work for him. If you want to try to find a difference that may be one.
Again, though: I can't believe Franken just won't go ahead and resign. Well, I guess I can believe it because I see that sort of thing a lot. I guess I should say that I don't understand why people in situations like that can't step outside of the situation and see the light.
Again, though: I can't believe Franken just won't go ahead and resign. Well, I guess I can believe it because I see that sort of thing a lot. I guess I should say that I don't understand why people in situations like that can't step outside of the situation and see the light.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Oh...sorry. My bad I guess.CID1990 wrote:you knowkalm wrote:
Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...
There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.
Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.
I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical
Not expecting anyone to be triggered
yet here you are
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Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Do you give Trump a pass? Or no?Jjoey52 wrote:Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.
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Fair question. No side has the high moral ground on this one.Skjellyfetti wrote:Do you give Trump a pass? Or no?Jjoey52 wrote:Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.
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My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?
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Good questions. I don't think we know where the line is yet. For some offenses there should be no "I was young" defense. I get making mistakes as a kid but IMO you should know better by your mid 20s.Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Well for starters, the congressional rule that was set up to shield these assholes from scrutiny and pay settlements out of taxpayer dollars needs to be done away with. Note- that wouldn't change Franken's position.
I get the idea behind wanting to protect duly elected public servants from frivolous complaints, but at the end of the day these critters have enough immunities and privileges as it is. I say that at the very least, no more tax funded settlements, and complaints are subject to FOIA. Don't like it? Don't be a congresscritter. Teachers, cops, doctors and all kinds of public trust types work under these conditions.
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I get the idea behind wanting to protect duly elected public servants from frivolous complaints, but at the end of the day these critters have enough immunities and privileges as it is. I say that at the very least, no more tax funded settlements, and complaints are subject to FOIA. Don't like it? Don't be a congresscritter. Teachers, cops, doctors and all kinds of public trust types work under these conditions.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
CID1990 wrote:you knowkalm wrote:
Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...
There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.
Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.
I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical
Not expecting anyone to be triggered
yet here you are
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
Surehoundawg wrote:CID1990 wrote:
you know
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
You should know better in your 20s. As to what crosses the line - maybe forcing yourself upon someone or a sexual quid pro quo....maybe anything that is or could be as unethical, immoral, illegal is crossing a line.Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?
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I don't know.. is it really that difficult to keep your hands to yourself and not pressure anyone into sexual activity?
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Agreed - this isn't something that turning 30 or 40 all of sudden "matures" you. This kind of behavior isn't even suitable for a high school dance when kids are 14-18 years old. If you're still behaving in your 20's and 30's the way you behaved in high school then this is just the tip of the iceberg for the problems you have.Ibanez wrote:You should know better in your 20s. As to what crosses the line - maybe forcing yourself upon someone or a sexual quid pro quo....maybe anything that is or could be as unethical, immoral, illegal is crossing a line.Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
There’s only one argument left: term limits are enacted by the guvmint and are ergo bad.CID1990 wrote:Well for starters, the congressional rule that was set up to shield these assholes from scrutiny and pay settlements out of taxpayer dollars needs to be done away with. Note- that wouldn't change Franken's position.
I get the idea behind wanting to protect duly elected public servants from frivolous complaints, but at the end of the day these critters have enough immunities and privileges as it is. I say that at the very least, no more tax funded settlements, and complaints are subject to FOIA. Don't like it? Don't be a congresscritter. Teachers, cops, doctors and all kinds of public trust types work under these conditions.
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Re: Franken vs. Conyers
There is absolutely no indication that Trump has "matured and grown out" of anything. The latest allegation of sexual misconduct by Trump involves a 2013 incident. Meanwhile any sensible person can see that Trump has the emotional stability and maturity of something like a 10 year old.Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?
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Do not get the idea I am defending Trump or anyone else. But some sexual harassment is greater than other. When a person gets to touching, groping and other physical stuff it seems that is greater than a stupid inappropriate joke. Also, I have learned when a person is a sex offender multiple claims are likely.
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Trump has been accused of groping and other physical stuff. And there are multiple claims.Jjoey52 wrote:Do not get the idea I am defending Trump or anyone else. But some sexual harassment is greater than other. When a person gets to touching, groping and other physical stuff it seems that is greater than a stupid inappropriate joke. Also, I have learned when a person is a sex offender multiple claims are likely.
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Plus he pretty much validated the claims with his own statements on that Access Hollywood video.
It's just ridiculous that anybody voted for the guy. If you voted for him you should be ashamed of yourself.
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