America Is About To Become A Conservative Country

[Chizzang]

I see more people believing that government is bloated, corrupt and dysfunctional
That used to be a lunatic fringe thing, now it seems like damn near everybody feels that way

The problem is everybody presently "in government" points across the isle
So I don't see anything getting any better as far as "we're all starting to come together"

Not happening...
We'll quite literally have to dismantle it completely
with Senators swinging from lamp posts and Federal buildings burning
before anything changes - this road is paved

Big Government enjoys about the same following as crony capitalism. Yet here we are!

But we're only allowed two choices because money is speech and corporations are people. Hurrah!

Remove the great pacifier (Social Programs) and you'll see Chaos...
AS long as they are in place and livin' is easy nothing will happen

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

[Baldy]

Big Government enjoys about the same following as crony capitalism. Yet here we are!

But we're only allowed two choices because money is speech and corporations are people. Hurrah!

Remove the great pacifier (Social Programs) and you'll see Chaos...
AS long as they are in place and livin' is easy nothing will happen

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

Ayn Rand was more of a Libertarian than anything, and secondly, she died with an estate worth almost $1 Million. So no, she didn't live in government housing. I debunked that myth a long time ago.

[Chizzang]

Remove the great pacifier (Social Programs) and you'll see Chaos...
AS long as they are in place and livin' is easy nothing will happen

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

Ayn Rand was more of a Libertarian than anything, and secondly, she died with an estate worth almost $1 Million. So no, she didn't live in government housing. I debunked that myth a long time ago.

You personally debunked it... or ponited to a snopes article..?
What about Medicare..?
Does that count as a Social Program..?

[kalm]

Remove the great pacifier (Social Programs) and you'll see Chaos...
AS long as they are in place and livin' is easy nothing will happen

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

Ayn Rand was more of a Libertarian than anything, and secondly, she died with an estate worth almost $1 Million. So no, she didn't live in government housing. I debunked that myth a long time ago.

I love it when conservatives won't own Rand.

[CID1990]

Big Government enjoys about the same following as crony capitalism. Yet here we are!

But we're only allowed two choices because money is speech and corporations are people. Hurrah!

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

intentional derailment

15 yards and loss of down


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[Chizzang]

This is why Conservative Genius Ayn Rand died in government housing

intentional derailment

15 yards and loss of down

I'd like to review the instant replay
on the grounds that the ruling mildly annoys me
and what kind of penalty is 15 yards AND loss of down..?

[CID1990]

intentional derailment

15 yards and loss of down

I'd like to review the instant replay
on the grounds that the ruling mildly annoys me
and what kind of penalty is 15 yards AND loss of down..?

its for particularly egregious smug prickery

tossing Rand in an otherwise smoothly flowing thread is like throwing economics in a Trump thread

guaranteed to trigger a klambdk hijack


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[Chizzang]

I'd like to review the instant replay
on the grounds that the ruling mildly annoys me
and what kind of penalty is 15 yards AND loss of down..?

its for particularly egregious smug prickery

tossing Rand in an otherwise smoothly flowing thread is like throwing economics in a Trump thread

guaranteed to trigger a klambdk hijack

Hmmm... Yes, I see
On further review I accept the penalty as well as loss of down and will punt

[Baldy]

Ayn Rand was more of a Libertarian than anything, and secondly, she died with an estate worth almost $1 Million. So no, she didn't live in government housing. I debunked that myth a long time ago.

You personally debunked it... or ponited to a snopes article..?

I pointed to the fact that she lived in her own apartment and died with an estate worth close to a million dollars. It's not really that difficult.

What about Medicare..?
Does that count as a Social Program..?

It certainly doesn't count as government housing, but nice deflection.

[Baldy]

Ayn Rand was more of a Libertarian than anything, and secondly, she died with an estate worth almost $1 Million. So no, she didn't live in government housing. I debunked that myth a long time ago.

I love it when conservatives won't own Rand.

If you're going to throw around labels (which you claim to hate), at least get it right.

[Chizzang]

Man...
Baldy got up grumpy today
He's kickin' ass and takin' names early

and I'm over here..

[kalm]

I love it when conservatives won't own Rand.

If you're going to throw around labels (which you claim to hate), at least get it right.

Oops...you're right. She was not a conservative genius, she was a limited government/rational self interest genius whose philosophies and books tend to pop up frequently in conservative circles from Greenspan to Reagan, to Paul Ryan.



For this misunderstanding, I blame Cleets.

And FTR, I don't hate labels. I just think they're tricky. But they are also fun.

[Baldy]

If you're going to throw around labels (which you claim to hate), at least get it right.

Oops...you're right. She was not a conservative genius, she was a limited government/rational self interest genius whose philosophies and books tend to pop up frequently in conservative circles from Greenspan to Reagan, to Paul Ryan.



For this misunderstanding, I blame Cleets.

And FTR, I don't hate labels. I just think they're tricky. But they are also fun.

Strike Two...

You were quoting me, klamjelly (thank you CID).

I am not a conservative.

[kalm]

Oops...you're right. She was not a conservative genius, she was a limited government/rational self interest genius whose philosophies and books tend to pop up frequently in conservative circles from Greenspan to Reagan, to Paul Ryan.



For this misunderstanding, I blame Cleets.

And FTR, I don't hate labels. I just think they're tricky. But they are also fun.

Strike Two...

You were quoting me, klamjelly (thank you CID).

I am not a conservative.

Oh. I'm sorry for calling you a conservative.

[89Hen]

Strike Two...

You were quoting me, klamjelly (thank you CID).

I am not a conservative.

Oh. I'm sorry for calling you a conservative.

Dumb liberal.

[Baldy]

Oh. I'm sorry for calling you a conservative.

Dumb liberal.

He's a Leftist.

[kalm]

Dumb liberal.

He's a Leftist.

I'm a post partisan liberal anarcho-syndcalist kalmunist.

[CAA Flagship]

He's a Leftist.

I'm a post partisan liberal anarcho-syndcalist kalmunist.

PLASK will do.

#SaveTheCharacters

[89Hen]

I'm a post partisan liberal anarcho-syndcalist kalmunist.

PLASK will do.

#SaveTheCharacters

[Jjoey52]

You personally debunked it... or ponited to a snopes article..?

I pointed to the fact that she lived in her own apartment and died with an estate worth close to a million dollars. It's not really that difficult.

What about Medicare..?
Does that count as a Social Program..?

It certainly doesn't count as government housing, but nice deflection.

Her economic outlook was sheer genius. Though I have only read Atlas Shrugged, have never gotten hold of The Fountainhead.


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[SDHornet]

Okay, I give up, someone explain to me how Republicans are going to win back hispanics. As I see it immigration is going to continue to be an issue and will make it hard to bring together the coalition the GOP has used in the past to win games.

If you're economically and socially conservative and pro-immigration you could get decent hispanic support and win...but those guys are not going to get nominated as they stand now.

Last I checked plenty of Brown folk make up the middle class as well. Those same Brown folk have families to support and stand to lose their jobs if illegals continue to flood into the country. It really just boils down to economics.

So how are conks going to win them over? Provide a common sense approach to immigration and a plan to bolster the economy and they will have no problem pulling 30% of the Team Brown vote again.

[JohnStOnge]

Do you have any idea of how many back country Texans don’t vote?

Do you know how conservative Mexican Catholics really are?

A blue Texas within the next 75 years is a tempting, but ultimately crazy idea

The study that JSO loves to quote (the one about the browning of America and how all the Democrats have to do is sit back and let the demographics work for them) was already debunked by none other than the original author of that study. Yes, America will continue to brown, if that's the right word, and the white population will continue to shrink as a percentage, but there's real evidence that very few of the current minority blocks will vote as a block going forward (and right now, only African Americans really vote as a block relative to one party over the other). That's what the author of that study said he missed when he revised his study and said that a default Democratic majority, forever, based on demographics was not actually going to happen.

I don't think I've ever quoted a study. If I did and you can show that go ahead and I'll admit that my memory failed me. But to my recollection all I do is look at the exit polling data over time.

What I'd say is that I see no evidence that the current minority groups will change their behavior in terms of the general statement that they have been voting by substantial margins for Democrats. Like for instance I have a link with exit polling going back through the 1976 Presidential election. And they show minorities consistently voting by an overwhelming majority for Democrats every time. I see no reason to think it'll change.

I don't know about the word "block." But the Republican candidate has only gotten more than 35% of the Hispanic vote once during the time period. That was in 2004 when G.W. Bush got 44%. Since then the McCain got 31%, Romney got 27%, and Trump got 29%. Trump's 29% was close to the average of 30% for the 1976 - 2016 period so I'm not seeing some indication that the situation has changed. I might've thought Bush getting 44% in 2004 was notable but since then things have settled down to be consistent with the historical norm.