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They're calling this the worst mass murder in US history

I guess we aren't counting Wounded Knee

or The Citadel at App State in 2012


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kalm wrote:
This is solid work here. :nod:

Next up, fascism. I've been told that fascists are all on the left too including the Nazi's. It has to do with the name of their party or something.
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Chizzy, you're liberal roots are showing through - you are being more critical of the far right than the far left. If Mao and Stalin weren't really leftists but absolute dictators wasn't Hitler not really a rightist but also an absolute dictator? Doesn't matter which direction you go, if you go too far you end up the same place.
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UNI88 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Fascism is just Nationalism gone the way of crack cocaine...
Fashionably displayed on a table at a wealthy playboy dinner party in the late 1960's
That's Cocaine / Nationalism...

Fascism is a brick paper bag of rock with a few short stacks of bloody $100 bills
and a Glock 19 laying on a note that says "Kill Chico"
Chizzy, you're liberal roots are showing through - you are being more critical of the far right than the far left. If Mao and Stalin weren't really leftists but absolute dictators wasn't Hitler not really a rightist but also an absolute dictator? Doesn't matter which direction you go, if you go too far you end up the same place.
6 of this, half dozen of that...
There's a whole bunch of "Names" we can call Oligarchs and Dictators
and they themselves usually like to advertise the name they prefer...

like "Nationalist Workers Party"
or "People's Republic of"
"Capitalist Unitary State"

See China is a "Peoples Republic" just like America if you read what they call themselves
and Saudi Arabia isn't a Brutal Absolute Dictatorship it's a Free Economy Capitalist Unitary State

They all sound like a lovely places when you let the Dictators name the place
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For such a fancy hotel you'd think they'd have nicer carpet
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Pretty chintzy compared to the outside - but that's Vegas in a nutshell
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Misinformation about bump fire stocks all over the place yesterday and today. There’s a graphic in this article about halfway down that states there’s a spring in bump fire stocks making them automatic. Completely false. In fact, one manufacturer several years ago tried to introduce a spring in a bump stock for the 10/22 and BATF banned it. The bump stocks that are out there simply use the recoil to allow the trigger finger to continually bump the trigger. You can do the same thing with your belt loop while hip firing. It’s fun with my AKs. I guess Levi jeans need to be banned as well.

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So this photo gets out, but the thousands of hired actors and conspirators Spandos likes to talk about are silent. Gotcha.
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Must have been using Kevin De Leon's gun that fires 30 bullets within a half second.
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93henfan wrote:You can do the same thing with your belt loop while hip firing. It’s fun with my AKs. I guess Levi jeans need to be banned as well.
Trying to picture the fuckstick hip firing from the window on the 32nd floor. :lol:
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93henfan wrote:Misinformation about bump fire stocks all over the place yesterday and today. There’s a graphic in this article about halfway down that states there’s a spring in bump fire stocks making them automatic. Completely false. In fact, one manufacturer several years ago tried to introduce a spring in a bump stock for the 10/22 and BATF banned it. The bump stocks that are out there simply use the recoil to allow the trigger finger to continually bump the trigger. You can do the same thing with your belt loop while hip firing. It’s fun with my AKs. I guess Levi jeans need to be banned as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... olice/amp/
What you just described is actually how i've heard bump stocks described on CNN, NPR, Fox News, etc.... with one key difference: about half the "experts' will say its makes them full automatic whereas the other half say it simulates a fully automatic weapon.

Which, semi-auto rifles are designed to be. So I assume they overheat/jam after a while.
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93henfan wrote:You can do the same thing with your belt loop while hip firing. It’s fun with my AKs. I guess Levi jeans need to be banned as well.
Trying to picture the fuckstick hip firing from the window on the 32nd floor. :lol:
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Ibanez wrote:
93henfan wrote:Misinformation about bump fire stocks all over the place yesterday and today. There’s a graphic in this article about halfway down that states there’s a spring in bump fire stocks making them automatic. Completely false. In fact, one manufacturer several years ago tried to introduce a spring in a bump stock for the 10/22 and BATF banned it. The bump stocks that are out there simply use the recoil to allow the trigger finger to continually bump the trigger. You can do the same thing with your belt loop while hip firing. It’s fun with my AKs. I guess Levi jeans need to be banned as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... olice/amp/
What you just described is actually how i've heard bump stocks described on CNN, NPR, Fox News, etc.... with one key difference: about half the "experts' will say its makes them full automatic whereas the other half say it simulates a fully automatic weapon.

Which, semi-auto rifles are designed to be. So I assume they overheat/jam after a while.
He had 12 weapons, various calibers, equipped with bump-stocks...and extended/drum magazines...

When one started overheating, he could move to another...

I base this on the pictures and info already made public...
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Any light barrel is going to overheat pretty quickly. Emptying two mags through a typical AK or AR by bump firing will typically cause smoke to roll off the outside of the barrel from cooking off oils and gunk on the barrel. It’s not something you want to do with a gun you really care about.

And yes, it emulates full auto, but is not full auto. Accuracy sucks even worse than full auto with a bump stock because foreword portion of the weapon is rocking back and forth a half inch between each shot.

Bump stocks are for recreation. And for Jelly, in the kill zone this guy planned, he could have killed just as many hip firing, especially if he loaded a tracer every 3rd or 5th round.
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But did the use of bump-stocks in this case, with the multiple weapons he could change to whenever the magazine emptied or the gun overheat, and with the kill zone he was aiming at, allow him to fire substantially more bullets than he would've otherwise? Isn't that the point? We have banned certain fully-automatic firearms in this country for 80 years or so, so it's pretty well established that a Rubicon line of sorts exists between semi-auto and fully automatic rifles. What purpose is the bump-stock other than to bridge this gap and allow substantially more bullets to be fired in a fixed amount of time?
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GannonFan wrote:But did the use of bump-stocks in this case, with the multiple weapons he could change to whenever the magazine emptied or the gun overheat, and with the kill zone he was aiming at, allow him to fire substantially more bullets than he would've otherwise? Isn't that the point? We have banned certain fully-automatic firearms in this country for 80 years or so, so it's pretty well established that a Rubicon line of sorts exists between semi-auto and fully automatic rifles. What purpose is the bump-stock other than to bridge this gap and allow substantially more bullets to be fired in a fixed amount of time?
Absolutely not. If you know what you are doing you can fire just as many rounds with out a bump stock. You might gain 1 second per 30 round mag with a bump stock.

The difference isn't even worth discussing unless you are a left wing media person who is clueless about guns...but got a new buzz word last Sunday night.

The action of a gun can only cycle so fast........but you think an add on to a stock is going to increase the mechanical aspect of this? Come on man

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
GannonFan wrote:But did the use of bump-stocks in this case, with the multiple weapons he could change to whenever the magazine emptied or the gun overheat, and with the kill zone he was aiming at, allow him to fire substantially more bullets than he would've otherwise? Isn't that the point? We have banned certain fully-automatic firearms in this country for 80 years or so, so it's pretty well established that a Rubicon line of sorts exists between semi-auto and fully automatic rifles. What purpose is the bump-stock other than to bridge this gap and allow substantially more bullets to be fired in a fixed amount of time?
Absolutely not. If you know what you are doing you can fire just as many rounds with out a bump stock. You might gain 1 second per 30 round mag with a bump stock.

The difference isn't even worth discussing unless you are a left wing media person who is clueless about guns...but got a new buzz word last Sunday night.

The action of a gun can only cycle so fast........but you think an add on to a stock is going to increase the mechanical aspect of this? Come on man

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I didn't know, I'm only asking. So is that about right, about a second improvement on a 30 round mag? How large of a mag could he have had in any one gun? Again, just asking.

If there's no benefit to a bump stock, why do they even have them in the first place?
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I already gave you the answer earlier in the thread, GF. They’re for entertainment primarily. I would never use mine in a defense situation, but I love going rat-a-tat tat at the range without going through a class 3 ordeal to try to touch a machine gun outside the military.

That being said, if you were inclined to commit a mass casualty crime, I won’t sugarcoat or talk around it: yes, it will help you indiscriminately fire off more rounds, particularly if you have multiple weapons set up and one overheated barrel will not stop you.

Did all of us with bump fire stops probably say ourselves at one point, “I can’t believe this is legal to purchase without a background check, it will probably be illegal some day when some mentally ill person uses one in a crime, but I’m going to have a ball with it at the range in the meantime”?

Yeah I think most of us did.

I just hope when they make them illegal I can turn a wicked profit on my grandfathered one, because I’m bored with it now, and it’s not practical for defense.
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93henfan wrote:I already gave you the answer earlier in the thread, GF. They’re for entertainment primarily.
Cool, thanks. :thumb:
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Why can we post a dude with his head blown off... but, can't post a wholesome set of tits? :ohno:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Why can we post a dude with his head blown off... but, can't post a wholesome set of tits? :ohno:
Not as many people like gore porn I guess. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Absolutely not. If you know what you are doing you can fire just as many rounds with out a bump stock. You might gain 1 second per 30 round mag with a bump stock.

The difference isn't even worth discussing unless you are a left wing media person who is clueless about guns...but got a new buzz word last Sunday night.

The action of a gun can only cycle so fast........but you think an add on to a stock is going to increase the mechanical aspect of this? Come on man

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I didn't know, I'm only asking. So is that about right, about a second improvement on a 30 round mag? How large of a mag could he have had in any one gun? Again, just asking.

If there's no benefit to a bump stock, why do they even have them in the first place?
You can get Magpul drums that do 60 rounds and I believe there is another company (Armatic?) that has 100 and 150 round drums.

Like 93 said bump stocks are for entertainment.

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93henfan wrote:I already gave you the answer earlier in the thread, GF. They’re for entertainment primarily. I would never use mine in a defense situation, but I love going rat-a-tat tat at the range without going through a class 3 ordeal to try to touch a machine gun outside the military.

That being said, if you were inclined to commit a mass casualty crime, I won’t sugarcoat or talk around it: yes, it will help you indiscriminately fire off more rounds, particularly if you have multiple weapons set up and one overheated barrel will not stop you.

Did all of us with bump fire stops probably say ourselves at one point, “I can’t believe this is legal to purchase without a background check, it will probably be illegal some day when some mentally ill person uses one in a crime, but I’m going to have a ball with it at the range in the meantime”?

Yeah I think most of us did.

I just hope when they make them illegal I can turn a wicked profit on my grandfathered one, because I’m bored with it now, and it’s not practical for defense.
Saw a post on another board from a guy who always bad-mouthed bump-stocks...he says he bought 5 of them yesterday just for the profit potential... :coffee:
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Too much money to waste betting on this Congress to do anything. Especially on gun control. :coffee:


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Col Hogan wrote:
93henfan wrote:I already gave you the answer earlier in the thread, GF. They’re for entertainment primarily. I would never use mine in a defense situation, but I love going rat-a-tat tat at the range without going through a class 3 ordeal to try to touch a machine gun outside the military.

That being said, if you were inclined to commit a mass casualty crime, I won’t sugarcoat or talk around it: yes, it will help you indiscriminately fire off more rounds, particularly if you have multiple weapons set up and one overheated barrel will not stop you.

Did all of us with bump fire stops probably say ourselves at one point, “I can’t believe this is legal to purchase without a background check, it will probably be illegal some day when some mentally ill person uses one in a crime, but I’m going to have a ball with it at the range in the meantime”?

Yeah I think most of us did.

I just hope when they make them illegal I can turn a wicked profit on my grandfathered one, because I’m bored with it now, and it’s not practical for defense.
Saw a post on another board from a guy who always bad-mouthed bump-stocks...he says he bought 5 of them yesterday just for the profit potential... :coffee:
Thats what I did Monday morning, I bought every bump stock I could find online, 100 more 30 round PMags and..........a few rounds of ammo.

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