cut the kid a break - he just created a new sig line with that oneCAA Flagship wrote:So is Montana. What's your point?Skjellyfetti wrote:Vancouver is in Canada
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cut the kid a break - he just created a new sig line with that oneCAA Flagship wrote:So is Montana. What's your point?Skjellyfetti wrote:Vancouver is in Canada
eh?Grizalltheway wrote:They only riot after hockey games in Vancouver North.
NoCID1990 wrote:eh?Grizalltheway wrote:They only riot after hockey games in Vancouver North.
do they say "eh" in US towns that are kinda close to Canada?
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Do NC folks have that gay caballero/Clark Howard type accent like SC folks do?CID1990 wrote:eh?Grizalltheway wrote:They only riot after hockey games in Vancouver North.
do they say "eh" in US towns that are kinda close to Canada?
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You've never met a Yooper have you?Grizalltheway wrote:NoCID1990 wrote:
eh?
do they say "eh" in US towns that are kinda close to Canada?
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They do fly the ol maple leaf though
They do in Charlotte and Boonekalm wrote:Do NC folks have that gay caballero/Clark Howard type accent like SC folks do?CID1990 wrote:
eh?
do they say "eh" in US towns that are kinda close to Canada?
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That's called a "High Tider"Jjoey52 wrote:I like hearing the OBX Brogue.
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We couldn't have stopped them.mrklean wrote:We never should have let the Russians take Eastern Europe.houndawg wrote:
We did allow them to knock the snot out of each other. We gave them just enough material to keep them from losing. FDR did a such a masterful job getting Russians to do the dying that Stalin must have been secretly impressed.
The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.houndawg wrote:We couldn't have stopped them.mrklean wrote: We never should have let the Russians take Eastern Europe.
They had a lot more boots on the ground. Couldn't have done it without nukes. After the way we used them to do the dying we sort of owed them one.mrklean wrote:The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.houndawg wrote:
We couldn't have stopped them.
CID1990 wrote:They do in Charlotte and Boonekalm wrote:
Do NC folks have that gay caballero/Clark Howard type accent like SC folks do?
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FDR doesn't get the credit he should for the statecraft involved in dribbling the lend lease out at a rate that allowed the Russians to keep fighting and dying but not become so powerful that they could roll over Europe. Once our manufacturing sector kicked in we didn't need to send troops if we didn't want to, we could have outfitted the huge Russian Army and stayed home, until Pearl Harbor of course. I think had better long term vision than he's credited with..Col Hogan wrote:Not only this, but Churchill was already pounding FDR to get into the Western Front in 43...Britain needed us to relieve the pressure...mrklean wrote:
So if we go with this time frame, it's 1944 or 45 and the Nazis have the ME-262 in mass production, they have their 4 engine Heavy Bomber ad they have a bunch of V2 Rockets.Yeah right
As much as I hate the Commies, the US needed to keep Lend Lease going and needed to get involved when it did...
That's an oft repeated myth.mrklean wrote:The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.houndawg wrote:
We couldn't have stopped them.
CID1990 wrote:That's an oft repeated myth.mrklean wrote: The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.
The Soviets had what was one of the best - if not the best - fighter of the war in the Yakovlev Yak-3. The high altitude variant was easily a contemporary to the P-51. The few non-Russian pilots to fly it almost uniformly agreed that it was superior to late model Spitfires and the P-51D.
Lavochkin also had two VERY good fighters - the La-7 and the La-9. The number one Allied fighter ace of WWII did not fly a Spitfire or a P-51. He flew a La-7... Ivan Kozhedub. He had 62 confirmed kills. Ironically, he went on to command a MiG-15 battalion on the North Korean border which was credited with shooting down something like 15 B-29s.
The Soviet capacity for mass producing aircraft by 1945 was very very good, and their aircraft and tank factories were well beyond the Urals. Stalin moved them there to keep them out of the reach of German forces after 1941. They were well beyond the reach of our B-29s from any place we could have staged them.
The Soviets also had thousands and thousands of late variant T-34 tanks in Eastern Europe in 1945, and nothing we had came anywhere close to it.
Any Allied offensive to roll the Soviets back from Eastern Europe would have been a very bloody affair and our prospects of getting past the Danube would have been very dicey.
No we didn'tmrklean wrote:CID1990 wrote:
That's an oft repeated myth.
The Soviets had what was one of the best - if not the best - fighter of the war in the Yakovlev Yak-3. The high altitude variant was easily a contemporary to the P-51. The few non-Russian pilots to fly it almost uniformly agreed that it was superior to late model Spitfires and the P-51D.
Lavochkin also had two VERY good fighters - the La-7 and the La-9. The number one Allied fighter ace of WWII did not fly a Spitfire or a P-51. He flew a La-7... Ivan Kozhedub. He had 62 confirmed kills. Ironically, he went on to command a MiG-15 battalion on the North Korean border which was credited with shooting down something like 15 B-29s.
The Soviet capacity for mass producing aircraft by 1945 was very very good, and their aircraft and tank factories were well beyond the Urals. Stalin moved them there to keep them out of the reach of German forces after 1941. They were well beyond the reach of our B-29s from any place we could have staged them.
The Soviets also had thousands and thousands of late variant T-34 tanks in Eastern Europe in 1945, and nothing we had came anywhere close to it.
Any Allied offensive to roll the Soviets back from Eastern Europe would have been a very bloody affair and our prospects of getting past the Danube would have been very dicey.
I think we had enough Air power to push them back out of Poland.
What aircraft had enough engine power to reach the B-29?CID1990 wrote:No we didn'tmrklean wrote:
I think we had enough Air power to push them back out of Poland.
And Russia's supply line was MUCH shorter and over land.
Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:mrklean wrote:What aircraft had enough engine power to reach the B-29?CID1990 wrote:
No we didn't
And Russia's supply line was MUCH shorter and over land.
A range of ~3,000 mi wasn't shabby... but still not enough for round trip bombing raids DEEP into the USSR.CID1990 wrote:Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:mrklean wrote:
What aircraft had enough engine power to reach the B-29?
The B-29 didn't have the range to do its job in that scenario- strategic bombing - from any place we could have staged them. The B-29 was useful in going after population centers and manufacturing. The war manufacturing capacity of the USSR was behind the Urals.
If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.CID1990 wrote:Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:mrklean wrote:
What aircraft had enough engine power to reach the B-29?
The B-29 didn't have the range to do its job in that scenario- strategic bombing - from any place we could have staged them. The B-29 was useful in going after population centers and manufacturing. The war manufacturing capacity of the USSR was behind the Urals.
Factories don't move overnight...people can be moved in minutes...mrklean wrote:If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.CID1990 wrote:
Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:
The B-29 didn't have the range to do its job in that scenario- strategic bombing - from any place we could have staged them. The B-29 was useful in going after population centers and manufacturing. The war manufacturing capacity of the USSR was behind the Urals.
Reduce your enemies ability to wage war and you won't have to kill as many people.mrklean wrote:If you can't hit the factories then hit the men. Tanks don't mean shyt unless they have men to operate them. The B-29 would have laid waste to Moscow. I still think that the P-51 could hold its own with any fighter of that era.CID1990 wrote:
Since you don't read too well, I'll repeat:
The B-29 didn't have the range to do its job in that scenario- strategic bombing - from any place we could have staged them. The B-29 was useful in going after population centers and manufacturing. The war manufacturing capacity of the USSR was behind the Urals.
The Soviets had 6+ million on the Eastern front in at the beginning of May 1945. I believe we had close to that in Western Europe (including the Italian front).houndawg wrote:They had a lot more boots on the ground. Couldn't have done it without nukes. After the way we used them to do the dying we sort of owed them one.mrklean wrote: The Russian did not want to fight us in 1945. We had the Air Power that the Germans did not. We would have blasted them back to the Stone Age. They had nothing to match our B-29's and P-51's.
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