Soviets would still have pushed Germany back eventually, and then the Soviets would've had multiple years advance notice that we weren't going to be allies and that the Cold War could begin in earnest even earlier. And besides, it's already bad enough now knowing that we knew more about the concentration camps than we let on during the war - not engaging in Europe at all would've been a complete abdication of the moral high ground. How many more millions would've died in Europe if we did what you said and stayed out? Double? Triple? More? And knowing we could've done something to stop it and didn't do anything? I can't see how that would've been a viable option.BDKJMU wrote:We should have stopped lend lease in 1942 to the Soviets in early 1942, once the Germans were no longer a threat to take Moscow, stayed out of Europe until we defeated Japan, and let the Krauts and Soviets knock absolutely the snot out of each other, and waltzed right into Europe..Chizzang wrote:
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There are differences between the two but phishing is a hacking technique. They are related. A hacker is executing a specific tactic. Phishing attempts are entry level hacks.Col Hogan wrote:So, you are saying that if you give me your password, and I log in and take your email, that is a hack?Skjellyfetti wrote:
Most hacking is social engineering. Phishing is hacking.
I mean, if we're using the definition that hacking is strictly limited to network hacking and accessing servers remotely... and an NCIS version of a kid in a hoodie tapping away at a computer with green 1s and 0s falling through the screen... then, yeah - the DNC may not have been "hacked"
Phishing is not considered hacking by most agencies...it is social engineering, and because it was Podesta, it's know as Whaling, not Phishing...
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Hackers are the people executing the attacks. A hacker executes a phishing attempt.CID1990 wrote:It's all criminal - the FBI calls it all hacking for the purposes of an indictment - but that isn't what they or any other Federal agency refer to as "hacking" when they train on it. We divide it into two distinct groups- hacking as a forcible entry, and social engineering as a soft entrySkjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, and if you knew my cs.com password and it was the same as my email and you used it to login - it woul dbe a hack.
So Sony wasn't hacked?
Yahoo wasn't hacked?
The FBI certainly considers spear phishing hacking.
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So if we go with this time frame, it's 1944 or 45 and the Nazis have the ME-262 in mass production, they have their 4 engine Heavy Bomber ad they have a bunch of V2 Rockets.Yeah rightBDKJMU wrote:We should have stopped lend lease in 1942 to the Soviets in early 1942, once the Germans were no longer a threat to take Moscow, stayed out of Europe until we defeated Japan, and let the Krauts and Soviets knock absolutely the snot out of each other, and waltzed right into Europe..Chizzang wrote:
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Not only this, but Churchill was already pounding FDR to get into the Western Front in 43...Britain needed us to relieve the pressure...mrklean wrote:So if we go with this time frame, it's 1944 or 45 and the Nazis have the ME-262 in mass production, they have their 4 engine Heavy Bomber ad they have a bunch of V2 Rockets.Yeah rightBDKJMU wrote:
We should have stopped lend lease in 1942 to the Soviets in early 1942, once the Germans were no longer a threat to take Moscow, stayed out of Europe until we defeated Japan, and let the Krauts and Soviets knock absolutely the snot out of each other, and waltzed right into Europe..
As much as I hate the Commies, the US needed to keep Lend Lease going and needed to get involved when it did...
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FDR and Churchill did not like Stalin, but we needed his huge Army. I'm glad we made the Russians our friends in WWII. The only mistake that was made my FDR and Churchill was the failure to push forward to the German/Polish border during the end of the war.Col Hogan wrote:Not only this, but Churchill was already pounding FDR to get into the Western Front in 43...Britain needed us to relieve the pressure...mrklean wrote:
So if we go with this time frame, it's 1944 or 45 and the Nazis have the ME-262 in mass production, they have their 4 engine Heavy Bomber ad they have a bunch of V2 Rockets.Yeah right
As much as I hate the Commies, the US needed to keep Lend Lease going and needed to get involved when it did...
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If we had gotten involved when we did but had stopped lend lease in 1942, wouldn't that have slowed the Soviets down to where they wouldn't have gotten control of as much of eastern Europe?Col Hogan wrote:Not only this, but Churchill was already pounding FDR to get into the Western Front in 43...Britain needed us to relieve the pressure...mrklean wrote:
So if we go with this time frame, it's 1944 or 45 and the Nazis have the ME-262 in mass production, they have their 4 engine Heavy Bomber ad they have a bunch of V2 Rockets.Yeah right
As much as I hate the Commies, the US needed to keep Lend Lease going and needed to get involved when it did...
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They could have pushed forward to the now German/Polish border at the Oder River, but not the then German/Polish border, which is well inside what is now Poland. The Soviets were already past the old Germany/Polish by early Feb 1945, and to the Oder River. The Potsdam Agreement gave the Soviets control over roughly half of Germany, where they gave about 1/2 of their 1/2, about 1/4 of then Germany, mostly to Poland, with a little sliver to Czechoslavakia, and a they kept a chunk for themselves on the Baltic. The Soviets lopped off an even bigger chunk of what was then eastern Poland, giving it to Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. So Poland got smaller and shifted way left. All of this resulted in the largest forced migration of people (German and Polish) in world history.mrklean wrote:FDR and Churchill did not like Stalin, but we needed his huge Army. I'm glad we made the Russians our friends in WWII. The only mistake that was made my FDR and Churchill was the failure to push forward to the German/Polish border during the end of the war.Col Hogan wrote:
Not only this, but Churchill was already pounding FDR to get into the Western Front in 43...Britain needed us to relieve the pressure...
As much as I hate the Commies, the US needed to keep Lend Lease going and needed to get involved when it did...
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As a FDR fan, this is Bullshit. I know for a fact that Truman did not agree with this.BDKJMU wrote:They could have pushed forward to the now German/Polish border at the Oder River, but not the then German/Polish border which is well inside what is now Poland. The Soviets were already past the old Germany/Polish by early Feb 1945, and to the Oder River. The Potsdam Agreement gave the Soviets control over roughly half of Germany, where they gave about 1/2 of their 1/2, about 1/4 of then Germany, mostly to Poland, with a little sliver to Czech and a they kept a chunk on the Baltic. Soviets lopped off an even bigger chunk of what was then Eastern Poland, giving it to Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. So Poland got smaller and shifted way left. All of this resulted in the largest forced migration of people (German and Polish) in world history.mrklean wrote:
FDR and Churchill did not like Stalin, but we needed his huge Army. I'm glad we made the Russians our friends in WWII. The only mistake that was made my FDR and Churchill was the failure to push forward to the German/Polish border during the end of the war.
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mrklean wrote:As a FDR fan, this is Bullshit. I know for a fact that Truman did not agree with this.BDKJMU wrote:
They could have pushed forward to the now German/Polish border at the Oder River, but not the then German/Polish border which is well inside what is now Poland. The Soviets were already past the old Germany/Polish by early Feb 1945, and to the Oder River. The Potsdam Agreement gave the Soviets control over roughly half of Germany, where they gave about 1/2 of their 1/2, about 1/4 of then Germany, mostly to Poland, with a little sliver to Czech and a they kept a chunk on the Baltic. Soviets lopped off an even bigger chunk of what was then Eastern Poland, giving it to Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. So Poland got smaller and shifted way left. All of this resulted in the largest forced migration of people (German and Polish) in world history.
FDR gave Stalin pretty much everything he wanted, Churchill opposed this, but was powerless. Doesn't matter how big of FDR fan you are.
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FDR had a much rosier picture of Stalin than Churchill did - it is well documentedmrklean wrote:As a FDR fan, this is Bullshit. I know for a fact that Truman did not agree with this.BDKJMU wrote:
They could have pushed forward to the now German/Polish border at the Oder River, but not the then German/Polish border which is well inside what is now Poland. The Soviets were already past the old Germany/Polish by early Feb 1945, and to the Oder River. The Potsdam Agreement gave the Soviets control over roughly half of Germany, where they gave about 1/2 of their 1/2, about 1/4 of then Germany, mostly to Poland, with a little sliver to Czech and a they kept a chunk on the Baltic. Soviets lopped off an even bigger chunk of what was then Eastern Poland, giving it to Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. So Poland got smaller and shifted way left. All of this resulted in the largest forced migration of people (German and Polish) in world history.
Truman may well have disagreed as he was much more wary of state communism, but it is no secret that FDR did not consider Stalin to be as much of a threat as Churchill and others did
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The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago, sweetheart. You can come out now.BDKJMU wrote:The small group of protestors from the right in Berkley that the Antifa just attacked weren't waving the Nazi flag.Chizzang wrote:If you wave a Nazi flag all bets are off...
There can be no confusion about what exactly it means
I don't know how anyone can protect you at that point
you've basically just picked a fight with all of humanity
ISIS is a bunch of hacker slouches compared to The Third Reich
Taking allegiance to the Nazi flag is about a bold an attack on The World as there is
Hell
The Russians lost 20 million (white) people fighting those mother ****...
-The old Soviet flag is just as evil as the Nazi flag. Stalin was in the same evil ballpark as Hitler, and is responsible for the deaths of 2-3 times as many millions. And yet I've seen lots of people on the left in my lifetime who have sported that flag in one form or another. I look at them both as equally evil.
Bottom line is people in this country have freedom of speech to wave the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle, whatever you, I, or anyone thinks about it. People don't have the right to attack others simply for the flags they are waving, and in the case of the Antifa, conservative speakers for daring to exercise their freedom of speech.
I'm waiting for these Antifa to attack people who are armed and then have a whole bunch of them get shot. When that can of worms is opened I'll be
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We did allow them to knock the snot out of each other. We gave them just enough material to keep them from losing. FDR did a such a masterful job getting Russians to do the dying that Stalin must have been secretly impressed.BDKJMU wrote:We should have stopped lend lease in 1942 to the Soviets in early 1942, once the Germans were no longer a threat to take Moscow, stayed out of Europe until we defeated Japan, and let the Krauts and Soviets knock absolutely the snot out of each other, and waltzed right into Europe..Chizzang wrote:
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...and the Nazis were destroyed 72 years ago. Your point?houndawg wrote:The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago, sweetheart. You can come out now.BDKJMU wrote:
The small group of protestors from the right in Berkley that the Antifa just attacked weren't waving the Nazi flag.
-The old Soviet flag is just as evil as the Nazi flag. Stalin was in the same evil ballpark as Hitler, and is responsible for the deaths of 2-3 times as many millions. And yet I've seen lots of people on the left in my lifetime who have sported that flag in one form or another. I look at them both as equally evil.
Bottom line is people in this country have freedom of speech to wave the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle, whatever you, I, or anyone thinks about it. People don't have the right to attack others simply for the flags they are waving, and in the case of the Antifa, conservative speakers for daring to exercise their freedom of speech.
I'm waiting for these Antifa to attack people who are armed and then have a whole bunch of them get shot. When that can of worms is opened I'll be
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Ben Shapiro is speaking at Berkeley on Sept 15th (or somewhere around that time) and had to pony up 15k for police staffing. Shit should be good, my prediction is the Berkeley police backing down and letting the Commies break a bunch of stuff again. Shapiro, being the Jew that he is, will sue and get a lot of good press out of the whole ordeal. The rest of the MSM will keep their head in the sand about Antifa's true motives and methods.BDKJMU wrote:The small group of protestors from the right in Berkley that the Antifa just attacked weren't waving the Nazi flag.Chizzang wrote:If you wave a Nazi flag all bets are off...
There can be no confusion about what exactly it means
I don't know how anyone can protect you at that point
you've basically just picked a fight with all of humanity
ISIS is a bunch of hacker slouches compared to The Third Reich
Taking allegiance to the Nazi flag is about a bold an attack on The World as there is
Hell
The Russians lost 20 million (white) people fighting those mother ****...
-The old Soviet flag is just as evil as the Nazi flag. Stalin was in the same evil ballpark as Hitler, and is responsible for the deaths of 2-3 times as many millions. And yet I've seen lots of people on the left in my lifetime who have sported that flag in one form or another. I look at them both as equally evil.
Bottom line is people in this country have freedom of speech to wave the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle, whatever you, I, or anyone thinks about it. People don't have the right to attack others simply for the flags they are waving, and in the case of the Antifa, conservative speakers for daring to exercise their freedom of speech.
I'm waiting for these Antifa to attack people who are armed and then have a whole bunch of them get shot. When that can of worms is opened I'll be
Oh and only shitbags proudly wave nazi flags and/or hammer and sickle flags. Fuck those people.
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An interesting article from a different point of view.
A Beating in Berkeley
A Beating in Berkeley
As white supremacists go, Joey Gibson makes for a lousy one. For starters, he’s half Japanese. “I don’t feel like I’m Caucasian at all,” he says. Not to be a stickler for the rules, but this kind of talk could get you sent to Master Race remedial school.
And it gets worse. The founder of Patriot Prayer—a Vancouver, Wash.-based operation that sponsors rallies and marches promoting freedom and First Amendment rights along with all-purpose unity—also spews hippie-dippie rhetoric like “moderates have to come together” and “love and peace [are] the only way to heal this country.” Joey tends to sound less like an alt-right bully boy than a conflict-resolution facilitator or a Unitarian Sunday school teacher.
For his late August “Liberty Weekend” in the Bay Area, which was to include a free speech rally in San Francisco followed by a “No to Marxism” rally in Berkeley (headed by a local “transsexual patriot”), Joey advertised that “no extremists will be allowed in. No Nazis, Communists, KKK, Antifa, white supremacists . . . or white nationalists.” (So much for free speech.) Likewise, the advertised docket of speakers was to include “three blacks, two Hispanics, one Asian, one Samoan, one Muslim, two women, and one white male.” If becoming a liberty movement fixture doesn’t work out for Gibson, he has a promising future as a UC Berkeley admissions officer.
Despite all this, you’d have thought from the avalanche of alarmist walk-up stories that Gibson and friends would be dancing in a “Springtime for Hitler” kick line. Donald Trump, of course, who draws frequent Hitler comparisons in some quarters, has already set nerves on edge with his nativist rhetoric, perpetually divisive style, and what’s widely perceived as his winks ’n’ nods to white nationalists. But in the wake of the recent white supremacist hoedown in Charlottesville—a cesspool of racial hatred that resulted in the death of anti-racism activist Heather Heyer when a Nazi fanboy drove his Dodge Challenger into her and 19 others—opportunistic leftists/Democrats have been on the prowl to paint everyone to the right of Angela Davis as a dangerous racist lunatic.
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http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/09/10/po ... his-truck/Police in Vancouver this afternoon arrested a man after a Patriot Prayer rally when he nearly ran his truck into a crowd of antifascist counter-protesters.
After a rally organized by the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, antifascist protesters marched north into downtown Vancouver along Columbia Avenue.
A black Chevy Silverado with Oregon plates and two large American flags and several small flags hanging from its windows (along with a Confederate flag decal displayed on the back window of the cab) drove up to the marchers. It was driving slowly down a street flanked by people dressed in black bloc clothing.
As the crowd parted to clear the way for the truck to move forward, protesters filled the street behind it and started throwing rocks and water bottles at the truck.
The driver suddenly put his vehicle in reverse and accelerated toward the protesters. As he sped up, people jumped out of the street.
The driver continued to drive in reverse for nearly a block, stopping at the next intersection and revving his engine.
The protesters yelled for everyone to clear the street and changed their path to escape the truck, walking down 6th Avenue to Washington Street. At that point, however, the truck re-appeared cutting the marchers off.
A Vancouver police vehicle pulled up behind he truck, sirens blaring, and the truck stopped after turning left on Washington Street. The man, who could not immediately identified, was arrested at the scene.
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So they throw shit at his vehicle but don't get arrested, he attempts to get out of the scene and he's arrested?
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I think it's pretty obvious he was trying to bait Antifa into giving him a plausible reason to run one of them over.
I think it's a bit strange though, that there were hundreds of Antifa and just one NAZI
I thought we were a country CHOCK FULL of Nazis and white supremacists - real threats to polite society
I think it's a bit strange though, that there were hundreds of Antifa and just one NAZI
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Vancouver is in Canada
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But Vancouver, Washington isn't.Skjellyfetti wrote:Vancouver is in Canada
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We never should have let the Russians take Eastern Europe.houndawg wrote:We did allow them to knock the snot out of each other. We gave them just enough material to keep them from losing. FDR did a such a masterful job getting Russians to do the dying that Stalin must have been secretly impressed.BDKJMU wrote:
We should have stopped lend lease in 1942 to the Soviets in early 1942, once the Germans were no longer a threat to take Moscow, stayed out of Europe until we defeated Japan, and let the Krauts and Soviets knock absolutely the snot out of each other, and waltzed right into Europe..
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So is Montana. What's your point?Skjellyfetti wrote:Vancouver is in Canada