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Re: Trump pulls out of Paris Climate Deal

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Anything that pisses off ALL OF EUROPE i'm 100% for...
I lost a little respect for Elon Musk today too
he owns a company that needs to do nothing to meet the deal
His posturing on this is political sassafras
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The liberals going crazy on this is almost as funny as Hillary Clunton's blaming everyone and everything for her losing the election, except herself.


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Jjoey52 wrote:The liberals going crazy on this is almost as funny as Hillary Clunton's blaming everyone and everything for her losing the election, except herself.


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Ivytalk wrote:Back to the theme of the thread: Trump has pulled us out. Thoughts from you asswipes? :?
What is a technique Donald's father should have practiced?
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Ibanez wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Back to the theme of the thread: Trump has pulled us out. Thoughts from you asswipes? :?
What is a technique Donald's father should have practiced?
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Ibanez wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Back to the theme of the thread: Trump has pulled us out. Thoughts from you asswipes? :?
What is a technique Donald's father should have practiced?
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: What is a technique Donald's father should have practiced?
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I honestly don't think anyone knows if man is really responsible for global warming, there is plenty of science lined up on both sides of the equation. Can society limit things like pollution, have more efficient or even electric cars, and ensure clean drinking water? Yes they can and Flint MI is something we should be talking more about & fixing than a really inconsequential Paris accord.
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Chizzang wrote:Anything that pisses off ALL OF EUROPE i'm 100% for...
I lost a little respect for Elon Musk today too
he owns a company that needs to do nothing to meet the deal
His posturing on this is political sassafras
Agreed. If Europe, Obama, John Kerry, Algore, Mittens, etc. are for something you know it's probably bad for the average guy.

And Elon Musk decided it was more important to look cool and tough for his liberal friends than it was to stay engaged. He should have said I'm going to stay on the committee and work even harder to convince the president and why this is important. Now he has no seat at the table. I wonder what the shareholders will think when the subsidies dry up because he walked away......
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bluehenbillk wrote:I honestly don't think anyone knows if man is really responsible for global warming, there is plenty of science lined up on both sides of the equation. Can society limit things like pollution, have more efficient or even electric cars, and ensure clean drinking water? Yes they can and Flint MI is something we should be talking more about & fixing than a really inconsequential Paris accord.
Really? you think putting all of this pollution into the air has NO effect in the future? :coffee:
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mrklean wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:I honestly don't think anyone knows if man is really responsible for global warming, there is plenty of science lined up on both sides of the equation. Can society limit things like pollution, have more efficient or even electric cars, and ensure clean drinking water? Yes they can and Flint MI is something we should be talking more about & fixing than a really inconsequential Paris accord.
Really? you think putting all of this pollution into the air has NO effect in the future? :coffee:
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mrklean wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:I honestly don't think anyone knows if man is really responsible for global warming, there is plenty of science lined up on both sides of the equation. Can society limit things like pollution, have more efficient or even electric cars, and ensure clean drinking water? Yes they can and Flint MI is something we should be talking more about & fixing than a really inconsequential Paris accord.
Really? you think putting all of this pollution into the air has NO effect in the future? :coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:Anything that pisses off ALL OF EUROPE i'm 100% for...
I lost a little respect for Elon Musk today too
he owns a company that needs to do nothing to meet the deal
His posturing on this is political sassafras
Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
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mrklean wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:I honestly don't think anyone knows if man is really responsible for global warming, there is plenty of science lined up on both sides of the equation. Can society limit things like pollution, have more efficient or even electric cars, and ensure clean drinking water? Yes they can and Flint MI is something we should be talking more about & fixing than a really inconsequential Paris accord.
Really? you think putting all of this pollution into the air has NO effect in the future? :coffee:
I think the better question is: Do you believe there hasn't been any adverse effects due to man-made pollution? Climate change or otherwise?
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Btw, which term is en vogue: Climate Change or Global Warming?
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Ibanez wrote:Btw, which term is en vogue: Climate Change or Global Warming?
Climate change, because then you can blame tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, blizzards, droughts, and even seismic events on it.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Anything that pisses off ALL OF EUROPE i'm 100% for...
I lost a little respect for Elon Musk today too
he owns a company that needs to do nothing to meet the deal
His posturing on this is political sassafras
Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
Yeah... But But
It's an opportunity for somebody (F*ck ANYBODY) in a highly visible position
to take the high road

All Elon had to do was say:
I disagree with the president, and now it's my job to help him understand why we blah blah...
Not: I quit and walk away

We need to show kids and adults too
Even if you disagree you still communicate and work to educate and debate your point
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
Yeah... But But
It's an opportunity for somebody (F*ck ANYBODY) in a highly visible position
to take the high road

All Elon had to do was say:
I disagree with the president, and now it's my job to help him understand why we blah blah...
Not: I quit and walk away

We need to show kids and adults too
Even if you disagree you still communicate and work to educate and debate your point
The shitgibbon refuses to read a goddamn intelligence briefing FFS. Frankly I can't blame anybody (F*ck ANYBODY) for saying fuck this, not worth my time, I'm out. :coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
Yeah... But But
It's an opportunity for somebody (F*ck ANYBODY) in a highly visible position
to take the high road

All Elon had to do was say:
I disagree with the president, and now it's my job to help him understand why we blah blah...
Not: I quit and walk away

We need to show kids and adults too
Even if you disagree you still communicate and work to educate and debate your point
I agree. I'm just saying that the opposition by some of these CEO's are being trumpeted by the left as being "pro-environment".
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
Yeah... But But
It's an opportunity for somebody (F*ck ANYBODY) in a highly visible position
to take the high road

All Elon had to do was say:
I disagree with the president, and now it's my job to help him understand why we blah blah...
Not: I quit and walk away

We need to show kids and adults too
Even if you disagree you still communicate and work to educate and debate your point
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As it relates to us pulling out of the treaty, there are pros and cons to it:

- We isolate ourselves by stepping away from the table and we lose control of the talking points. Trump fumbled through this move in typical Trump fashion and managed to piss off a great number of people, but that's what Trump does all the time anyway. Europe loves to take stances and issue statements, and now we've given them more ammo to talk away.
- The "treaty" was always much more about style than substance. Targets were flexible and easy to change, so why leave an accord that never really committed us to anything concrete?
- Constitutionally, this was the right move though. This was a treaty, it committed us, albeit very loosely, to dealings with other countries. Stuff like this needs to be approved by the Senate before the US is really considered agreed to the treaty. I know it's messy, I know it's hard, but it's still our Constitution. This was not a shining moment for Obama but rather a calculated political move to avoid the checks and balances of the government.
- Even the worst case models say that without the US participating, the global temperatures by 2100 will only rise 0.3 deg C more than if the US had been fully on board. I can't get too worked up about that since even without being part of this treaty we're going to still be doing things here in the US that will limit and shrink our emissions - fuel cells are still moving forward, fracking has been incredible in lowering our dependency on crude oil, especially on crude from places that don't have the environmental awareness that we have already factored into our operations here, and other renewables are moving forward regardless of what the federal government is doing. We are seeing capitalism work in this case - we are innovating and we are improving. I don't see that changing regardless of what hand holding government leaders do.
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GannonFan wrote: - Even the worst case models say that without the US participating, the global temperatures by 2100 will only rise 0.3 deg C more than if the US had been fully on board. I can't get too worked up about that since even without being part of this treaty we're going to still be doing things here in the US that will limit and shrink our emissions - fuel cells are still moving forward, fracking has been incredible in lowering our dependency on crude oil, especially on crude from places that don't have the environmental awareness that we have already factored into our operations here, and other renewables are moving forward regardless of what the federal government is doing. We are seeing capitalism work in this case - we are innovating and we are improving. I don't see that changing regardless of what hand holding government leaders do.
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President Donald Trump's top aides apparently have no idea whether he believes humans have a role in climate change or if it's even real. And seemingly won't ask him.
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Meh. Musk's opposition is predictable. As with Whitman and Blankfein. They are either on the renewable energy side of the equation or are worried about global backlash to their businesses.
Yeah... But But
It's an opportunity for somebody (F*ck ANYBODY) in a highly visible position
to take the high road

All Elon had to do was say:
I disagree with the president, and now it's my job to help him understand why we blah blah...
Not: I quit and walk away

We need to show kids and adults too
Even if you disagree you still communicate and work to educate and debate your point
Come on, dude. That ENTIRE commission is political.
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