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Keep following, Jelly

Your "disinterest" in all of this (and me) is quite meticulous

I did expect the judge to rule favorably to the defendant - but I forgot that this was in reference to the grand jury and not the actual trial

an actual trial which the defense will actually push for in Concord's case (and will never get)

I guess you gotta take your wins where you can get them, Jelly


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You are fighting pretty hard to defend Trump.
I'm defending logic

There's plenty wrong with Trump - much of which doesn't spend much time in the spotlight because of this Russia distraction

I can understand why you would be confused though


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Pretty sure that proclaiming “we will stop Trump” from being president is evidence of bias when you are an official investigating that person

But I’m glad the FBI will now be able to hash this out in the anti-bias training it doesn’t need because there was no bias.

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
You are fighting pretty hard to defend Trump.
I'm defending logic

There's plenty wrong with Trump - much of which doesn't spend much time in the spotlight because of this Russia distraction

I can understand why you would be confused though


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You're such a dick.

:lol:

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Logic would say...just a distraction. :lol:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:And, Pasha Manafort gets his bail revoked for witness tampering with his handler. :rofl:

He'll die in prison unless he starts singing. :coffee:
No he won't. Trump will pardon him, as he should pardon anyone who Mueller gets a conviction on in his fishing expedition that was outside his mandate of investigating Russian collusion...
I mean the original instructions for the investigation include looking into any matters that arise directly from the investigation. And the word collusion is not used.

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SDHornet wrote:I'm really enjoying seeing you trying to spin this and go into your normal "hide the ball" routine jellybean. I really am. The IG report justified Comey's firing due to his insubordination which sinks whatever lame Russia narratives there were claiming the Comey firing was because Russia!!!!
How can you say that when Trump himself said he fired Comey because of Russia? Do you REALLY think Trump fired Comey because Comey was mean to Hillary and hurt Hillary's election chances?

Do you REALLY think he'd have fired him if there had been no "Russia" investigation?
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BTW there is no way I'm going to take the time to read all 568 pages of that report but I did do a "find" on the word bias then read the content surrounding each occurrence (full report is at https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download) . And it became clear that, though the IG found indications of text messages and such that created the appearance of bias among five individual persons they did not see actual actions suggesting that bias had any effect on investigative decisions. There was "buffer" provided by the numbers of people involved and also the actual actions of even those involved in the text messages showed no indication of bias. For example there is this language from the summary on page iii:
As we describe Chapter Five of our report, we found that Strzok was not the sole decisionmaker for any of the specific Midyear investigative decisions we examined in that chapter. We further found evidence that in some instances Strzok and Page advocated for more aggressive investigative measures in the Midyear investigation, such as the use of grand jury subpoenas and search warrants to obtain evidence.
Also, I have a question for those who think Strzok texting “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it” is a smoking gun. Can you point to anything the FBI actually DID prior to the election that might be construed as trying to stop Trump from winning? Were there any damaging leaks? Were there any leaks letting the public know the FBI was investigating the possibility of coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians? Anything at all to indicate that any action by the FBI reflected some effort to stop Trump from winning?
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I'm defending logic

There's plenty wrong with Trump - much of which doesn't spend much time in the spotlight because of this Russia distraction

I can understand why you would be confused though


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You're such a dick.

:lol:

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Logic would say...just a distraction. :lol:
Yes OccupyDemocrats is a bastion of logic

I’ll see your OccupyDemocrats and raise you an Infowars

You and Jelly are like that numbskull who always starts the evolution threads when he’s drunk... “Scientists don’t know how DNA formed, therefore Jesus.”

Manafort worked for Trump, Manafort’s in jail, therefore collusion! (Because that’s precisely what that meme implies)

Really I did think you were smarter
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:

You're such a dick.

:lol:

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Logic would say...just a distraction. :lol:
Yes OccupyDemocrats is a bastion of logic

I’ll see your OccupyDemocrats and raise you an Infowars

You and Jelly are like that numbskull who always starts the evolution threads when he’s drunk... “Scientists don’t know how DNA formed, therefore Jesus.”

Manafort worked for Trump, Manafort’s in jail, therefore collusion! (Because that’s precisely what that meme implies)

Really I did think you were smarter
:lol:

I honestly didn’t even see the source.

Did your logic help you with shooting the messenger or do you begrudgingly accept the facts and just want to be a whiny bitch about it?

It doesn’t prove anything but it’s enough to make a reasonable person give pause.

I like and respect you CID. You are still a reasonable person, right?
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Yes OccupyDemocrats is a bastion of logic

I’ll see your OccupyDemocrats and raise you an Infowars

You and Jelly are like that numbskull who always starts the evolution threads when he’s drunk... “Scientists don’t know how DNA formed, therefore Jesus.”

Manafort worked for Trump, Manafort’s in jail, therefore collusion! (Because that’s precisely what that meme implies)

Really I did think you were smarter
:lol:

I honestly didn’t even see the source.

Did your logic help you with shooting the messenger or do you begrudgingly accept the facts and just want to be a whiny bitch about it?

It doesn’t prove anything but it’s enough to make a reasonable person give pause.

I like and respect you CID. You are still a reasonable person, right?
What facts are you talking about, klam?

That Manafort is on the hook for shady financial dealings? I think we covered that about 75 pages ago

Hell, I'll even work with the assumption that Trump knew he was a crook all along

but where's the evidence of collusion to throw the election? Or have we moved on from that?

The meme was ridiculous.... A therefore Z


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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
:lol:

I honestly didn’t even see the source.

Did your logic help you with shooting the messenger or do you begrudgingly accept the facts and just want to be a whiny bitch about it?

It doesn’t prove anything but it’s enough to make a reasonable person give pause.

I like and respect you CID. You are still a reasonable person, right?
What facts are you talking about, klam?

That Manafort is on the hook for shady financial dealings? I think we covered that about 75 pages ago

Hell, I'll even work with the assumption that Trump knew he was a crook all along

but where's the evidence of collusion to throw the election? Or have we moved on from that?

The meme was ridiculous.... A therefore Z


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And around 81 pages ago I mentioned that collusion might be tough to prove and you agreed.

I’m just willing to let it all play out.

Here...let me voxplain it more (just because that annoys you :lol: )

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.co ... il-mueller
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kalm wrote:
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What facts are you talking about, klam?

That Manafort is on the hook for shady financial dealings? I think we covered that about 75 pages ago

Hell, I'll even work with the assumption that Trump knew he was a crook all along

but where's the evidence of collusion to throw the election? Or have we moved on from that?

The meme was ridiculous.... A therefore Z


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And around 81 pages ago I mentioned that collusion might be tough to prove and you agreed.

I’m just willing to let it all play out.

Here...let me voxplain it more (just because that annoys you :lol: )

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.co ... il-mueller
And in the meantime you’ll post the left’s version of an Alex Jones meme

:thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
And around 81 pages ago I mentioned that collusion might be tough to prove and you agreed.

I’m just willing to let it all play out.

Here...let me voxplain it more (just because that annoys you :lol: )

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.co ... il-mueller
And in the meantime you’ll post the left’s version of an Alex Jones meme

:thumb:
Alex gets some shit right to. Or do you actually want to dispute the points? :kisswink:
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And, Cid's position isn't just that there was no collusion (which isn't a ridiculous opinion atm). It's that Mueller ruled it out over a year ago - and, is just going through the motions to appease Democrats. Based on nothing. :lol:

I think there is evidence of collusion - but, proof is a whole nother animal. There are still many unanswered questions - and, I think Mueller is quite clearly still investigating. :nod:
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And in the meantime you’ll post the left’s version of an Alex Jones meme

:thumb:
Alex gets some **** right to. Or do you actually want to dispute the points? :kisswink:
No, klam, I don't dispute the points -

I dispute the inference drawn in the gaping logical chasm between the last line of the meme and everything that comes before it

You're either willfully or naturally ignorant on this one.. which is it?


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Skjellyfetti wrote:And, Cid's position isn't just that there was no collusion (which isn't a ridiculous opinion atm). It's that Mueller ruled it out over a year ago - and, is just going through the motions to appease Democrats. Based on nothing. :lol:

I think there is evidence of collusion - but, proof is a whole nother animal. There are still many unanswered questions - and, I think Mueller is quite clearly still investigating. :nod:
Yes Jelly - we all know that when Mueller says they couldn't find evidence of collusion you'll do your victory dance

"See? He WAS looking for collusion!" (he just didn't find it)


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CID1990 wrote:
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Alex gets some **** right to. Or do you actually want to dispute the points? :kisswink:
No, klam, I don't dispute the points -

I dispute the inference drawn in the gaping logical chasm between the last line of the meme and everything that comes before it

You're either willfully or naturally ignorant on this one.. which is it?


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And I honestly didn’t really care much about the conclusion just like I didn’t notice the source. :lol: So....

Let’s focus...just on the supporting content regarding Manafort. Ignore the shiny objects just for a second...I know you can.

Acknowledging those things about Manafort is cause for suspicion, right? :)
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What's suspicious about a high $$ political consultant, up to his ears in debt to Russian oligarchs, volunteering to run a political campaign without pay??

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kalm wrote:
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No, klam, I don't dispute the points -

I dispute the inference drawn in the gaping logical chasm between the last line of the meme and everything that comes before it

You're either willfully or naturally ignorant on this one.. which is it?


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And I honestly didn’t really care much about the conclusion just like I didn’t notice the source. :lol: So....

Let’s focus...just on the supporting content regarding Manafort. Ignore the shiny objects just for a second...I know you can.

Acknowledging those things about Manafort is cause for suspicion, right? :)
I have never denied that there isn't loads of reasonable suspicion around Manafort - for all kinds of financial crimes and misdemeanors. I'm not sure what you think you are asking

but suspicion for collusion with Russians to throw the election to Trump? Where's the nexus? Because before we can draw one, we have to have Exhibit A - COLLUSION. Hell, nobody here in this thread has been able to even articulate what that would even look like (except me- I've suggested a range of possibilities) All we know for sure is that the Russians did what they do - they interfered in the election.... and every single thing they did, they didn't need assistance from the Trumpies.

we could be just as suspicious that Manafort facilitated the annexation of Crimea or the proxy war in Syria... because he's connected to people who did those things
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Is the Presidents campaign manager in jail right now..?
I just got back form North Carolina so I'm pretty sure I missed something

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Chizzang wrote:Is the Presidents campaign manager in jail right now..?
I just got back form North Carolina so I'm pretty sure I missed something

!!!
As predicted somewhere on page 2 or 3 of this thread, Mr. Smug (I'll let Jelly do the research)

Why were you stinking up my beloved home state?
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I don't think anyone here has ever really denied that at least Manafort and Michael Flynn were toast.

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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Is the Presidents campaign manager in jail right now..?
I just got back form North Carolina so I'm pretty sure I missed something

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As predicted somewhere on page 2 or 3 of this thread, Mr. Smug (I'll let Jelly do the research)

Why were you stinking up my beloved home state?
:lol:

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CID1990 wrote:
As predicted somewhere on page 2 or 3 of this thread, Mr. Smug (I'll let Jelly do the research)

Why were you stinking up my beloved home state?
:lol:

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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
:lol:

OBX
That’s what the coastal elite Marylanders and Northern Virginians who don’t belong there call it

What’s your excuse?
Yeah, I grew up 80-90s going to the Outer Banks 1-3 times a year, and IMHOP saying OBX is dumb. There’s no ‘X’ in Outer Banks. If you want to abbreviate, why not just OB?
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
:lol:

OBX
That’s what the coastal elite Marylanders and Northern Virginians who don’t belong there call it

What’s your excuse?
Me and my girlfriend wanted to look at a 5 acre plot in Greenville NC that is recently up for sale
after we checked it out we spent the week in Corolla doing absolutely nothing

We like Greenville NC a lot, we might build a house there

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