What's to dispute? Either it's voracious or it isn't.JohnStOnge wrote:Obviously, the memo's voracity is in dispute. We all know the the Democrats claim it is misleading. And we all know the FBI and Justice Department say it's misleading. Yes, I know there are those of you who immediately dismiss that. I saw somebody say something interesting tonight. They said they think the FISA judges themselves will make a determination on whether or not there was an issue with the way the FBI and Justice Department handled things. If so that will pretty much tell us whether this thing is credible or not.
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Like a raptor?houndawg wrote:What's to dispute? Either it's voracious or it isn't.JohnStOnge wrote:Obviously, the memo's voracity is in dispute. We all know the the Democrats claim it is misleading. And we all know the FBI and Justice Department say it's misleading. Yes, I know there are those of you who immediately dismiss that. I saw somebody say something interesting tonight. They said they think the FISA judges themselves will make a determination on whether or not there was an issue with the way the FBI and Justice Department handled things. If so that will pretty much tell us whether this thing is credible or not.
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What's funny is that it was the Republicans who used to believe the FBI could do no wrong..CAA Flagship wrote:It's a system of trust that the FBI/DOJ is providing accurate information. Not sure how the judges can do anything else. I'm laughing at the people defending the "FBI and DOJ" as if no person within those organizations can make mistakes, cut corners, or flat out lie. I'm not saying they did anything wrong here, but they are human like everyone else. It's possible they screwed up with the application process.kalm wrote:
Those are good points but at what point is it up to the judges to question the crap in front of them?
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Well...maybe, until the FBI was weaponized by the Obama administration anyway.houndawg wrote:What's funny is that it was the Republicans who used to believe the FBI could do no wrong..CAA Flagship wrote: It's a system of trust that the FBI/DOJ is providing accurate information. Not sure how the judges can do anything else. I'm laughing at the people defending the "FBI and DOJ" as if no person within those organizations can make mistakes, cut corners, or flat out lie. I'm not saying they did anything wrong here, but they are human like everyone else. It's possible they screwed up with the application process.
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Lol. How was it weaponized?
The FISA warrants on Carter Page?
Why did Rosenstein and Boente (Trump appointees) sign off on its renewal last Spring? I mean, Trump just appointed Boente to General Counsel of the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
The FISA warrants on Carter Page?
Why did Rosenstein and Boente (Trump appointees) sign off on its renewal last Spring? I mean, Trump just appointed Boente to General Counsel of the FBI a couple of weeks ago.
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Wait.....weaponized?Baldy wrote:Well...maybe, until the FBI was weaponized by the Obama administration anyway.houndawg wrote:
What's funny is that it was the Republicans who used to believe the FBI could do no wrong..
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Good to see jelly back in the thread after hiding from all the memo fallout...well at least we can finally put that behind us and mo....oh look, now it looks like Obama's State Department is getting in on the dossier fun. You can't make this shit up.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dossi ... le/2648099Published accounts in the Guardian and the Washington Post have indicated that Clinton associate Cody Shearer was in contact with Steele about anti-Trump research, and Obama State Department official Jonathan Winer was a connection between Steele and the State Department during the 2016 campaign.
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Congressional Republicans will now have a new-found respect and admiration for the FBI.Winterborn wrote:Russia, the gift that keeps on giving.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -testimonyAn FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.
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This is back when the FBI was good, they're bad now.Ibanez wrote:Congressional Republicans will now have a new-found respect and admiration for the FBI.Winterborn wrote:Russia, the gift that keeps on giving.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -testimony
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I should add that Congressional Democrats will say it's a fabrication and they'll question the source.SeattleGriz wrote:This is back when the FBI was good, they're bad now.Ibanez wrote: Congressional Republicans will now have a new-found respect and admiration for the FBI.
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Fucking Deep State Justice Department trying to butt their heads in.Winterborn wrote:Russia, the gift that keeps on giving.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -testimonyAn FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.
Nunes needs to hurry up and type up his next memo so we can finally get that cleansing of the Secret Society.
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Not necessarily related - but, could end up being a big deal.
If Trump was to fire Rosenstein or he had to recuse himself - Brand would be next in line to oversee the Mueller investigation. Will be interesting to see who he nominates.
Rachel Brand stepping down after 9 months on the job
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/p ... d=tw-share
If Trump was to fire Rosenstein or he had to recuse himself - Brand would be next in line to oversee the Mueller investigation. Will be interesting to see who he nominates.
Rachel Brand stepping down after 9 months on the job
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/p ... d=tw-share
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Trump won’t approve Dem memo...at least yet.
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Ha! This was expected almost a week ago. Schiff for brains put in sources and methods knowing it would have to be redacted. Then he can claim umbrage.kalm wrote:Trump won’t approve Dem memo...at least yet.
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You mean you think it won't be "released"?SeattleGriz wrote:Ha! This was expected almost a week ago. Schiff for brains put in sources and methods knowing it would have to be redacted. Then he can claim umbrage.kalm wrote:Trump won’t approve Dem memo...at least yet.
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It'll be released, just not the way Schiff wrote it. Schiff still gets to claim " censorship" though.houndawg wrote:You mean you think it won't be "released"?SeattleGriz wrote:Ha! This was expected almost a week ago. Schiff for brains put in sources and methods knowing it would have to be redacted. Then he can claim umbrage.
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Maybe. We obviously don't know what's in the memo.SeattleGriz wrote:Ha! This was expected almost a week ago. Schiff for brains put in sources and methods knowing it would have to be redacted. Then he can claim umbrage.kalm wrote:Trump won’t approve Dem memo...at least yet.
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But, they released the transcripts of HPSCI's vote on releasing it. 21 aye's and 0 no's. No Objections from Republicans to its release.
FBI and the Justice Department haven't made a public statement against its release (DEEP STATE, though ).
It will be released one way or another. And, I bet Trump's objections have more to do with it refuting the DEEP STATE SECRET SOCIETY narrative.
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You mean the DEEP STATE SECRET SOCIETY that just keeps stepping down, laterally moves or leaves altogether?Skjellyfetti wrote:Maybe. We obviously don't know what's in the memo.SeattleGriz wrote:Ha! This was expected almost a week ago. Schiff for brains put in sources and methods knowing it would have to be redacted. Then he can claim umbrage.
But, they released the transcripts of HPSCI's vote on releasing it. 21 aye's and 0 no's. No Objections from Republicans to its release.
FBI and the Justice Department haven't made a public statement against its release (DEEP STATE, though ).
It will be released one way or another. And, I bet Trump's objections have more to do with it refuting the DEEP STATE SECRET SOCIETY narrative.
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the trump administration isn't a deep state secret society
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Ha! Good one.Skjellyfetti wrote:the trump administration isn't a deep state secret society
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Ok I made a typo. The HORROR. You know what I mean. The Nunes memo is a bunch of crap.houndawg wrote:What's to dispute? Either it's voracious or it isn't.JohnStOnge wrote:Obviously, the memo's voracity is in dispute. We all know the the Democrats claim it is misleading. And we all know the FBI and Justice Department say it's misleading. Yes, I know there are those of you who immediately dismiss that. I saw somebody say something interesting tonight. They said they think the FISA judges themselves will make a determination on whether or not there was an issue with the way the FBI and Justice Department handled things. If so that will pretty much tell us whether this thing is credible or not.
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Really? Look at your bias in how you talk about Trump and tell me the FBI and DOJ don't have anyone that is willing to put their fingers on the scale of Justice?JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I made a typo. The HORROR. You know what I mean. The Nunes memo is a bunch of crap.houndawg wrote:
What's to dispute? Either it's voracious or it isn't.
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It’s a scale...not a teeter totter.SeattleGriz wrote:Really? Look at your bias in how you talk about Trump and tell me the FBI and DOJ don't have anyone that is willing to put their fingers on the scale of Justice?JohnStOnge wrote:
Ok I made a typo. The HORROR. You know what I mean. The Nunes memo is a bunch of crap.